TRUST

[Turboguy]

Turbo I see certain similarities in our situations. I also see certain areas where we are different.

Chiefly in what we see as a possible/probable outcome to our dream. I wanted a younger woman not young. My first was 39 to my 47. The second with a certain amount of apprehension 33 to my 48. Your dream seems to be much more risky as you have doubled my age differences and then some. I wouldn't consider any woman in her 20's, period. Not even me at only 52. I had two beauties of 28 and 26 contact me and I told them "Thank you, but you are too young for me". But I have been through a divorce with a Russian woman so I know how painful and dangerous it could get.

Imagine if you married Luda and you found out afterwards she was in contact with other men? That she was making plans to set you up on false DV charges and then did it it to you? Luda if she married you would have pulled something like this on you guaranteed. I would keep this in mind always and I would listen closely to unattached observers (like Jet's wife) opinions. We don't always know what is best for us. 

Good luck in your search.

Maxx

 

Maxx, Thanks for wishing me good luck.  We are all different here.   Tiger Paws has entirely different ideas than PhotoGuy.  They are living different lives with different ideas and different dreams.  They are both doing what they think are right for them and are probably both right in that.   Ken, jb and Leslie too are in an entirely different situation.   None of that is bad.  I think most everyone here has good intentions.  For many it is sharing their experiences in the hope of helping some other good people.  For others, they are here to learn.   I came here to learn.  I have learned a lot, some of it the hard way.  I choose to ignore some good advice in the hopes something might work out.   It was a mistake.   Given the same circumstances, I would likely do the same thing if I had not made that mistake once.  I don't think I will repeat it.   I personally don't think my mistake was going for too much age difference.  It was persuing someone who was not into me.  I probably should have not dumped Lena for Luda.  Lena by the way was 22, but she was into me.

Probably had the wind blown a different direcion on a Tuesday, Luda and I would have ended up married.   (That is a hypothetical wind, I am just making the point that it was close to going either way)  You are right.  It would not have lasted.  I think she would have been here with me for two years and gone.   That is not what I wanted and I am glad it did not go that way.   Truthfully, when she was here, I would have been happy to have her stay, knowing it was only for two years.  As far as the likleyhood of her filing DV charges.  I know Luda better than Luda knows Luda.  It was not a possibility.   As far as Luda beiing unfaithful in the two years,  that is much more likely.   Luda has a lot of problems.  Personally, I think she will mess up her life pretty good before she is done.  That is her problem now.

Everyone has their own ideas and priorities.  For you, you like a beatiful older woman.  That is right for you and a good choice, possibly a better choice than I might make.   It is a wise choice.   For me, I prefer a younger gal.  Truthfully, if I had the choice of youth or beauty, I would go for youth.  I mentioned Lena who I dumped for Luda.  Lena was a sweet girl, but would never win a beauty contest.   Svetlana that I dated at the same time as Lena was downright ugly, but very sweet.   She happened to be 21.   She seemed to be more into the life I could give her than to me and I dumped her.  Right now if I can get a younger gal who is also pretty, I like that even better.   I have a good prospect.  I am not ruling out the older gals.  I write one nice one that is 45 and another nice one that is 55.  I write a lot of gals in their 30's.   And of course, I am writing one from Bruno's site that is 21 and very into me, not quite so pretty though.   Right now, I think if I end up with my good prospect it will be a very good situation.   I am not ready to settle down for one, perhaps on my visit in a few weeks I will be. 

Personally I think character has a lot more to do with what happens than age.   I think there are bad 40 year olds and good 25 year olds and vice versa.   I think there are a lot of very ambitious gals who do look at the guy they marry as a stepping stone.    Yes, the more realistic the couple the more chance they will not look at you as a stepping stone and move up.   In the case of Tiger Paws, there probably is no up.  He should be safe.  Doug and Larisa are a good couple.  I think if they hit it off he will be safe.  If I end up with a pretty young gal, then there may be some upside for them and it is riskier.  I think I need to be careful to find a gal with good character and give her a life that is good enough and happy enough that she wants to stay.   It is hard to know what you are really getting from a handful of trips.  You might find out in 7 days you do not have what you thought or in 90 or in two years.  Life is a gamble.   If you don't gamble you can never win.  Yes, you won't always win.  that is why there is a Las Vegas.

[Bruno]

And of course, I am writing one from Bruno's site that is 21 and very into me, not quite so pretty though.

Enjoy it... i have stop my site since the 25 december... i go continue a other project that i have stop because of my previous marriage... writing a book over... medicinal plant... already make around 350 page 5 year ago...

Why stop ? Several reason... too much scammer ( take a lot of time for check )... several time attack against my mail server... somebody sending bad story to ladies via e-mail... so, i am tired of these big sh!t... i have no time enough for fight this...

So, from now, Bruno is not more a agency owner but only someone who search the right FSU woman ( and i think that i have find her  ).

[Turboguy]

Enjoy it... i have stop my site since the 25 december... i go continue a other project that i have stop because of my previous marriage... writing a book over... medicinal plant... already make around 350 page 5 year ago...

Why stop ? Several reason... too much scammer ( take a lot of time for check )... several time attack against my mail server... somebody sending bad story to ladies via e-mail... so, i am tired of these big sh!t... i have no time enough for fight this...

So, from now, Bruno is not more a agency owner but only someone who search the right FSU woman ( and i think that i have find her  ).

I am sorry to hear that Bruno.  I think you enjoyed it and you were helping people.  Actually I really liked your site and wrote a number of women from it with good results.   I am sure there was some bad things that happened and I know it was not producing an income for you.   Actually I think my number two gal was on your December listings but I wrote her from someplace else before she was there.  The 21 year old was one of your October ladies and is a very sweet and romantic gal.  I am glad it was there for a while.  It helped me.  Good luck in anything you try and good luck in your search. 

[jb]

[TigerPaws]

For all you "older gents" who are into younger women, here's a juicy 18 y.o. who digs old guys.  I can send you her phone number by PM if you want it.

Porn should beneath even you jb and should be banned from this site, things like this are very distasteful.

 

[jb]

The girl is quite real, she lives and works in Moscow, and the photo is less revealing than some of the Weasel gals Dan posted.

I was making a point that I think most readers would get, although I  suspected you would not, TP.  The girl is a hooker, that's for  sure, and if a lot of older men don't understand this yet, when they  strive to get hooked up with the super model hottie, they are going to  have to stand in line for these girls affection.  Of course,  contrary to the old Beattles song, money will buy you love, .

[TigerPaws]

The girl is quite real, she lives and works in Moscow, and the photo is less revealing than some of the Weasel gals Dan posted.

I was making a point that I think most readers would get, although I suspected you would not, TP.  The girl is a hooker, that's for sure, and if a lot of older men don't understand this yet, when they strive to get hooked up with the super model hottie, they are going to have to stand in line for these girls affection.  Of course, contrary to the old Beattles song, money will buy you love, .

 Posting nudes is neither welcome or necessary to make a point jb and I do not remember Dan posting any nudes?

 Like it or not money and power are the lubricants of love and unless you live in a complete fantasy world you would know that. Just because the whole world dose not fit into your belief of what love and a relationship should be dose not make others wrong and you should not attempt to belittle others.

 

[jb]

The photo isn't porn, it's simply advertising in the finest  capitalistic tradition.  And, yes, there were several topless  girls shown on the Weasel swimwear ads Dan put up.

You perhaps don't like my point because it may have touched a nerve, so  be it.  I just think a reality check is sometimes needed lest some  of these old Lotharios run in a ditch of their own making.

[TigerPaws]

The photo isn't porn, it's simply advertising in the finest capitalistic tradition.  And, yes, there were several topless girls shown on the Weasel swimwear ads Dan put up.

You perhaps don't like my point because it may have touched a nerve, so be it.  I just think a reality check is sometimes needed lest some of these old Lotharios run in a ditch of their own making.

In your limited opinion, it is not everyone's

 

[Turboguy]

On one hand, it is nice for people to read all the posts, now they will just keep re-reading this one.  On the other hand, I don't think it helps make your point although I can see what you are getting at.   I think I would like the topic better without it myself.   I have to side with TP

[Bruno]

For all you "older gents" who are into younger women, here's a juicy 18 y.o. who digs old guys.  I can send you her phone number by PM if you want it.

Jb, have you a lot of picture like these along with contact information ? What think your wife about this ?

If you have picture like this, it is because your have some interest in it !!!

[jb]

That photo came from Bruno's backup plan when he strikes out with the next RW.

[TigerPaws]

That photo came from Bruno's backup plan when he strikes out with the next RW.

Ah! Yet more words of wisdom from the reresident expert on everything for everyone.

 

[TigerPaws]

 

I see jb decided that posting porn was not such a good idea after all and removed it.

[Turboguy]

I am glad to see it gone but I wish they could have waited till I saved it and set it for the wallpaper on my computer.     Just kidding.

[Maxx]

When ever I want to make a age difference point with a photo I use these ones

 

37 year age difference. To put it mildly it didn't work out. I think Myke is serving time.





 



 

[Bruno]

That photo came from Bruno's backup plan when he strikes out with the next RW.

My next trip in Ukraine will be without backup plan... a tourist trip where i meet a friend... of course, it is possible that these friend become more that a friend

In any case, i have no interest in so lady, too much big b00bs... in some year, gravity will make his work...

[TigerPaws]

Maxx,

 It works both ways I could post photo's of couples with 20 plus year age differences who are very happy together in relationships which are working very well posting photo's in a vain attempt to prove your point is meaningless, it only wastes the boards bandwidth, of course you do not care as you are not paying for it.

[Turboguy]

TigerPaws is right. 

We could stick up so photos of couples with little age difference that failed and accompish as much.  Actually they sorta look happy in most of those photos. 

[Sonar]

Is the kid in the photo theirs or hers from a previous? Is there a story behind this couple ? 37 year age difference? WOW !!!

[Turboguy]

I am not going to say a word.   Well knowing me, I probably will.

[catzenmouse]

Is the kid in the photo theirs or hers from a previous? Is there a story behind this couple ? 37 year age difference? WOW !!!

The child was theirs but the story ended VERY badly and he is now in jail.

She's a sweet girl who is trying to build her and her son's life over from this disaster.

Ken

[Turboguy]

Well this subject was supposed to be trust, not age difference although there is possibly a relationship between the two.

I have a new side of TRUST I would like to talk about.   These gals need to trust us too.  How straight have you been with your gal?

I guess if I exect anyone else to answer, I should give my answer.  I don't have a real good track record with faithfullness.  With Luda, I played it pretty straight.   When I first met her I was writing a ton of girls.  By the time of my second visit, I quit writing all but one.  After the second visit I dropped the last one.  About that time, I droped most of any American gals I had been seeing.  Actually I kept one around that was platonic just for someone to do things with.  My nights with that last american gal always ended with a hug and there was nothing more romantic before.

However.  Although I wrote no on after March, while Luda was here I got a sort of strange letter.  It was supposed to be an Ira from N. Novgorod.  It just did not seem right and made me very curious since Luda was from N.N. and her cousins name was Ira.   Just because I was curious, I answered.  The second letter from Ira was short and asked me if I was rich, which also seemed a little odd.  I answered that on and never heard more,  Well, until Luda and I broke up, then I found out Ira was Luda testing me.   She blamed that for her reason for writing other guys. 

Back to my new question for those who can answer.  How faithful were you?

 

[catzenmouse]

After Elena and I met and decided to give it a go I wrote to some of the other ladies I had written to and told them that I was going to get serious about Elena and broke off the occassional relationship I had with a lady here. I told Elena about the other girls I had written to and about the person I had gone to meet who did not work out.

Over the first six months or so of her being here I would on occassion get a letter from someone (usually a scammer). I showed them to her and explained that I had some ads online and even though I killed most of them I could not guarantee that there were still some out there somewhere. I answered the letters saying that I was married now and let her answer a few also which helped her to feel that I was not hiding anything. She is still a bit on the jealous side but I don't mind that at all.

Ken

[Voyageur]

TurboGuy - I was always faithful to my wife.  It was always a WOVO  situation with her. When I first wrote to her after my failed K1, I was  at a low point, and I had been burned pretty bad -emotionally and to a  lesser extent, finacially, by a woman from Kharkov. After I took her to  the airplane back to Ukraine, I wrote to another woman in Ukraine and  went to see her.  By this time, I had learned my lesson and knew  what to look for.

With the Ukraine woman, I saw how badly she treated some of the women  interpreters and how she really did not seem to be that "in" to  me.  I mentioned my concern to my friend Pavel and he told me that  he saw nothing wrong with her attitude and words towards me. She was  32, I believe, and very attractive. But the chemistry was not right for  me. Before, I thought that attraction and strong feelings can grow over  time.  But I knew from my bad K1 experience that this was not the  best way, that the most successful American and even American and  Russian relationships had a strong attraction from the start, or so it  seemed to me.   This is what I wanted.  So I followed my own  advise and ended this relationship after seeing this woman two times.  She still wrote to me about a month ago, but I have told her that no  more communication is possible with me, as I am now married.  So  maybe she liked me more than I liked her.

So when I started writing to my wife, it was special from the  beginning. When I went to see her a month and a half later, I had no  backup plan. I was writing to other women at the start of our  relationship and she was also speaking to other men, but soon I ended  all my correspondences with others. And she ended hers also, although  her picture (as of yesterday) is still on a site or two. My way was a  combination of pure luck and believing in someone. I broke many  "conventional wisdom" rules in our correspondences.  Many of these  guidelines I have read about in this and other forums.  But always  told her the detailed truth in every question answered, even when the  answers made me look not too smart :?.  But this truthfulness is the brick of any strong relationship, IMHO.

We have a long way to go, before we have achieved the longevity of some  other's marriages on this forum, and there have been issues that we  have had to work though, to be sure. But we always have trust in one  another that has been proven time and time again.