Guys here under 35

[Shadow]

I've seen in some sites that young ladies would put Lawyer, Dentist, Economist, Psychologist, etc. as their occupation. The problem is that these ladies are way too young for Western standards.  They could 18, 19 and 21. Is that possible or are they are lying?

All the women have pretty much say that they are looking for foreign men because men in their countries are no good. I know there are some people here who are more familiar with FSU culture.  What's the deal with that?  I ask them but they all seem to give me some canned answer.

One of the questions I have is that some women marry foreign men to get to their countries and then divorce.  What do you guys look for to pick out those women?

Some of the professions and grades do not directly transfer. While it is possible to be high educated, if you are familiar with the profession you can just ask some questions to see what level they have.

'Men are no good' can mean several things. First of all they can have trouble finding a good man. A good looking girl is, much like in Western countries, often seen as 'loose' and 'having tons of boyfriends', while the opposite can be true. As a result to build a serious relationship can be challenging. Another possiblity is that they are just fed up with local experiences, just as you might be.

As far as women who are looing for a way out of their country, there are two options.
First search in big cities, as in Moscow and Kiev the women (espeially native ones) will not be looking for a way out.
Secondly when writing to a woman read her letters carefully. I had one woman in every letter complain about how bad life was and what she could not afford. That, while it may be true, is an indication that the woman has a character trait not to be satisfied with what she has and looks for more. One can believe that this will stop when given Western luxury, however my idea was that the character trait will make her look for more all her life.

[ECOCKS]

With regard to "economists", they use a different definition. For them it's more like what westerners would just call business studies. Numerous FSU students refer to attending university for an "economic education". Only after further questioning them do you discover whether they studied management of organizations, economics, marketing, finance, etc. 

[rwoo1983]

I was 25 years old when I dated my first RW. I met her at CSUSB in Southern California last year. It was a great relationship, but ended due to personal differences that cannot be fixed. We ended up as friends and moved on. My experiences with her and her RW friends has furthered my interests on women from the FSU.

Right now I am 26 years old and I'm currently in a process of finding the RW that truly loves for who I am as a person, not because I drive a nice car or resides in a desirable community in America. You could say that I am an old-fashioned American who detest feminism and wants to build a future with a RW that is based on trust, love, responsibility, happiness, and a drive towards success.

The good news is I already found one over the internet. She is just my type. :-)
rwoo1983

[docetae]

I am 35 and married since more than one year now. I started to search a few years ago but i hate clubs ... (too  much noise and aggressive lights for me...I prefer outdoors ). My wife has same age than me. A total of 16 travels to Ukraine, first for work, personals after.

[Leelou]

I'm 24....  

I started using EM 2 months ago... I travel quite oftenly and I always dated foreign ladies since I'm 20...
I recognize myself in your description. I have no problem for dating locally but I just wanted to try this experience since we never know where we could find the right one  

I understand it can sound weird from a young guy to get into this thing, and I insist on the fact I'm not facing any kind of problems. I'm attractive, educated (2 degrees+Master), I speak fluently 5 languages, I travelled a lot across Europe, I'm very open-minded reguarding relationships, ecc,... So no problem, I just wanted to give it a try  

Right now I can't say I'm really successful... I have a good positive answer rate on EM, but none of these women really kept my attention. Some don't speak english well enough to develop something (I know it can sound hard about this, I am not a native english-speaker myself, but I really do think a minimum is needed, communication is vital in a couple) and others I understood after a few mails they aren't my type... I also dumped some because they were obvious scammers or prodaters.
Of course other ladies just answered with a polite NO, and I'm totally fine with it. I founded it a bit funny some older guys on the forum think we are more successful because we are younger... I don't have this impression, I think a lot of women refuse to enter in contact with me because I'm not old enough   But I prefer a clear answer from the beginning than losing time so...

At the moment I have interesting contacts with only one Lady, a 34y old RW from Moscow. She seems very genuine and we exchanged nice letters until now, she seems to be fine with the difference of age... I wrote her again a few days ago and I want to go a little bit deeper now but she still hasn't replied, we'll see how it goes...

I tend not to keep contact with the girls that just write 2 sentences of casual blabla... I felt this happening with most of the yound ladies. I think some of them are just overloaded with letters from men so they can't really take time to write.
I bought a 6 months membership so I still have 4 months to go, then only I will make my opinion.
I don't focus on this system only so if nothing gets out of it, I won't be that deceived... Still I already sent nearly a hundred EOI so I can't say I'm not searching...  

[OlgaH]

With regard to "economists", they use a different definition. For them it's more like what westerners would just call business studies. Numerous FSU students refer to attending university for an "economic education". Only after further questioning them do you discover whether they studied management of organizations, economics, marketing, finance, etc. 

Below is google translation of a typical Economist Instruction (or economist job description), after the Instruction some more links to some other different economist instructions, if someone is interested.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://alfaseminar.ru/instrukciya_ekonomista1&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D1%258F%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8%2B%25D1%258D%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B8%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D0%25B0%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26prmd%3Div&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjjLAYGhxXNdrOj84rKO0wrWNeMew

   

[remiel6]

I was 36 when I started. Married at 37, now 38. I also think its a good age to get married. The age should not discourage you and I think there are a lot of people here in that age group, although they may not broadcast it as much.

[DKMM]

I met and dated FSU women from age 28 till I married one at age 30.  I met my wife on my 7th or 8th trip there.  Its a good age to look because you are in the target range of the best ladies (the ones just out of university from age 22-25).

I did it straight up because I wanted to marry a Russian lady.  I felt like the time was right in life to settle down and get married and I accomplished exactly that but not without some troubles and spending 2 years and maybe 30k in the process.

I used this board a lot in my searching days and never found open hostility towards my age as we don't compete in the same pool of women as the 40+ guys.  Listen to Gator, he's a fountain of wisdom.

[Ryan1980]

hey mate, im 30 and from perth. Im new to all this, just been lurking for a while, gathering info
But saw your thread and thought i'd say hi! There can't be too many aussies here.

Send me a pm or somethin if you'd like to chat

catcha

[Tony_D]

i am 29 years old and from ireland  and in the process of searching for RW, i was in a long relationship & now i want to go to the east European area direction to find the perfect partner

[HazyKnight]

Hello again!

And  to the new guys here. I don't post as often as I could. Just for a refresher I'm 31, only made 1 trip, and constantly vasilate between the Rw's and Aw's. I've finally come to the conclusion that a rw is for me. I finally have some vacation time saved up to make another trip, and rather soon will be going. I'm going to use a service, and am having a lot of trouble deciding between Kherson or Donetsk.

Quick questions if anyone would like to answer:

1. I've read on here its better to just go than write, but if a man does just go, then he risks them not meeting him at all (I'm a handsome guy, but not very photo-genic, hence my appearance gives false perceptions and conclusions). So do   I risk it and write or just show up? (by the way, I've already learned to only write one month before going).

2. Anyone been to Kherson or Donetsk? Experiences?

3. When a reputable service puts up profiles and the women right about themselves, do you believe its credible? If not, what's the point of reading it our even believing the service is credible?

Note: I decided to use a service because I want to meet the women featured on the site, and I feel more comfortable knowing (or at least a false sense of security) that these women are serious. Also I
I've been watching this site for years and they seem reputable. After doing it myself and failing utterly I think I've got a game plan that will work.

[ML]

My advice is to exchange at least 6 emails back and forth with each woman before you arrive.  If you both write honestly and  seriously, you will have a lot to talk about when you meet.  If a gal won't take the time to write serious letters, then she is not very interested in you; rather just interested in a nice meal or two.

I would never deal with an agency as you are doing or contemplating doing.

Check out the big internet dating sites, pay 20-30 bucks (or zero) for a monthly membership with unlimited contact ability . . . with no intermediaries to fleece you.

Try luckylovers.net, allsinglerussiangirls.com, ukrainiandate.com, bride.ru, rbrides.com, singles.ru, freepersonals.ru, okfreedating.net, etc.

Go cold with no previous contacts; and be prepared to wander the streets by yourself and sit in hotel or apartment pleasuring yourself.

[oldernotwiser]

2. Anyone been to Kherson or Donetsk? Experiences?

I have been to Kherson, have not been to Donetsk, so I cannot compare the two.  I will let you know some of my impressions.

Have been to Khersosn three times, I enjoy it there.  To me one of the toughest things is getting there, there is no local airport.  So your choices are car, bus or train.

I used the Khersongirls service for apartments and introductions.  I felt that they were very reliable and professional (there web interface does show you where you money is spent).  I had an apartment that was at one end of a walking street, with shops on both sides.  About 5 blocks down from that was the Khersongirls office.  I really enjoyed walking that little route, maybe going into the office and the girls working there were always very pleasant.  They would offer me tea, and i would use the computer in the office to maybe send out an email or two.

The girls listed for Kherson, the pictures are valid.  (Did experience a case where one of the affiliates in another city had pictures listed that had been touched up)  Just my opinion, and the people working there might disagree.  But I feel they have more attractive women in the 20 to 30 range, (which would work for you), than they do in the 30 and above range.

As far as the seriousness of the individuals listed.  I think you will find some more serious than others.  I tend to be turned off by those that are too eager, (maybe that is why I am still single   )

I guess I do like the people working there, I did feel that they were seriously interested in seeing me have success.   Maybe they looked at it as a challenge, I maybe a difficult case

[HazyKnight]

My advice is to exchange at least 6 emails back and forth with each woman before you arrive.  If you both write honestly and  seriously, you will have a lot to talk about when you meet.  If a gal won't take the time to write serious letters, then she is not very interested in you; rather just interested in a nice meal or two.

I would never deal with an agency as you are doing or contemplating doing.

Check out the big internet dating sites, pay 20-30 bucks (or zero) for a monthly membership with unlimited contact ability . . . with no intermediaries to fleece you.

Try luckylovers.net, allsinglerussiangirls.com, ukrainiandate.com, bride.ru, rbrides.com, singles.ru, freepersonals.ru, okfreedating.net, etc.

Go cold with no previous contacts; and be prepared to wander the streets by yourself and sit in hotel or apartment pleasuring yourself.

First, good info, thanks. Second, Well I did the WOVO and it sucked... big time! So this time I'm going WMVM, and using the service. I hate wasting my time. I want to already be speaking with women are serious in their intentions. Third, I do appreciate the 6 letter minimum, that helps give me an idea of where the minimum level of interaction should be. But I also know that based on the length of the response I'll also how interested they are in me.

Bride.ru worked well, I might give them another shot, but they were pretty expensive. Freepersonals.ru is a little too hard for me to navigate, at least it was, haven't checked it recently.

As for pleasuring myself, this is my first vacation in 3 years, and the first time in 2 years I won't be putting my life on the line everyday. Whatever happens, I'm sure I will happy.

[HazyKnight]

2. Anyone been to Kherson or Donetsk? Experiences?

I have been to Kherson, have not been to Donetsk, so I cannot compare the two.  I will let you know some of my impressions.

Have been to Khersosn three times, I enjoy it there.  To me one of the toughest things is getting there, there is no local airport.  So your choices are car, bus or train.

I used the Khersongirls service for apartments and introductions.  I felt that they were very reliable and professional (there web interface does show you where you money is spent).  I had an apartment that was at one end of a walking street, with shops on both sides.  About 5 blocks down from that was the Khersongirls office.  I really enjoyed walking that little route, maybe going into the office and the girls working there were always very pleasant.  They would offer me tea, and i would use the computer in the office to maybe send out an email or two.

The girls listed for Kherson, the pictures are valid.  (Did experience a case where one of the affiliates in another city had pictures listed that had been touched up)  Just my opinion, and the people working there might disagree.  But I feel they have more attractive women in the 20 to 30 range, (which would work for you), than they do in the 30 and above range.

As far as the seriousness of the individuals listed.  I think you will find some more serious than others.  I tend to be turned off by those that are too eager, (maybe that is why I am still single   )

I guess I do like the people working there, I did feel that they were seriously interested in seeing me have success.   Maybe they looked at it as a challenge, I maybe a difficult case

Good info, appreciate the time you took. I'm not using Khersongirls, but I can check out the website again.

[berkough]

lol. im still not sold on this idea. meeting a woman for a one night stand, and looking for a woman for long term relationships and marriage are two very different things.

Indeed, I'm 25 and I feel the same way. Though I have been searching online for an FSU woman. Seems to be that I all I can find (sadly as it were, here in Vegas) are women that are nothing more than a one night stand, or a secret love affair... Not that I don't mind the perks of a rich lonely housewife. But it is a tiresome search some moments. The very reason I even turn consider international dating... With it's complications in culture and language.

I have yet to go on a tour, but the idea of getting my hopes up and then spending my time as any other weekend here in the States is a bit disappointing. At the same time I can't help but think about the realities of human interaction. Perhaps I would find something entirely different than what I'm used to, and then perhaps I just have a crazy holiday, coming home with a story I can tell the grandchildren I'll never have.

Just as one of my favorite musicians, James Taylor, has said through song; "Do me wrong, do me right, tell me lies but hold me tight. Just don't let me be lonely tonight."

[SomeGuy]

First, good info, thanks. Second, Well I did the WOVO and it sucked... big time! So this time I'm going WMVM, and using the service. I hate wasting my time. I want to already be speaking with women are serious in their intentions. Third, I do appreciate the 6 letter minimum, that helps give me an idea of where the minimum level of interaction should be. But I also know that based on the length of the response I'll also how interested they are in me.

While I think MLs advice is solid as well as providing a good list of decent sites (I'm familiar with half of them, and met my wife on one of them), I'd like to point out there can be a huge difference in how well any given pair of people get to know each other for a specified number of letters.  Some people tend to write only a few sentences per email, others a book; some might ask questions which would help to get to know someone and to make the letters longer, others might only talk about themselves, etc.  Some people take shorter or longer to open up some naturally, which can then be altered further depending on the person they are in communications with.  For some people, 6 letters really won't know much about each other, but if the goal is VM or at least making sure there are no obvious show stoppers, it would make sense to spend some time thinking about what YOU really want or need in a partner, as well as what you can't or won't accept, and doing what you can to eliminate those that obviously don't fit, no matter how attractive she may seem in pictures.  

I would be careful about assuming the length of response being a clear indication of interest if you are only exchanging a few emails - many women will NOT write long, detailed emails from the start.  YMMV of course.  I would also advise talking on Skype or phone before meeting anyone.

Bride.ru worked well, I might give them another shot, but they were pretty expensive. Freepersonals.ru is a little too hard for me to navigate, at least it was, haven't checked it recently.

Try LL or allsingle..
I'm not sure why you believe agency girls to be more likely to be serious - there are plenty of TRs out there, showing both sides, but I would never equate agency with 'serious' automatically.  Of course, if you spend more time up front, you may well be able to tell who is more serious, more compatible, etc.  

[JR]

I had one woman in every letter complain about how bad life was and what she could not afford. That, while it may be true, is an indication that the woman has a character trait not to be satisfied with what she has and looks for more. One can believe that this will stop when given Western luxury, however my idea was that the character trait will make her look for more all her life.

Oh sooooooooo true

[ML]

Bride.ru worked well, I might give them another shot, but they were pretty expensive. Freepersonals.ru is a little too hard for me to navigate, at least it was, haven't checked it recently.

As far as I know, bride.ru is a monthly pay site.  So are you sure they are 'pretty expensive?' 

And what is your complaint about freepersonals.ru?  I noticed  no difference in 'navigating' that site as compared to the other web based dating sites.

[HazyKnight]

As far as I know, bride.ru is a monthly pay site.  So are you sure they are 'pretty expensive?' 

And what is your complaint about freepersonals.ru?  I noticed  no difference in 'navigating' that site as compared to the other web based dating sites.

All I remember is that it was difficult at the time.

Also, if I remember correctly it was something like 100.00 USD just to sign up, then 50.00 USD a month to contact on a continuing basis. I personally thought that was expensive (I'm frugal and choose where to spend my money). And please refrain from telling me "You think that's expensive, wait till you see the agency cost," or something that can be interpreted negatively. *Warning: gripe approaching:* In the past the ubiquitous amount of negative comments on these boards drove me away, but I also realize that I need to shift through the dirt to find the gold nuggets of good information. Probably a reason why there are so many "lurkers" and not as many "contributors." Also, the hunt for good information is what brings me back 

I'll check out those sites again 

[HazyKnight]

Sorry for the double post here.

Update:

I checked out http://www.luckylovers.net and must say that I was impressed! They have a wide range and variety of profiles, also the pictures load easily and enlarge to a very nice size. Also, the website is incredibly detailed and highly personalized. I sort of think of it as Facebook combining with International Dating. The highly customizable search options are also very nice!

Ukrainedate.com is pretty nice but obviously its a huge corporate machine, but the website does run smooth and the IM function is nice.

Bride.ru is still good too. The search function is just ok, and you need to download their software just to search... &*#$@!

I'm still disappointed with Freepersonals.ru. The search function sucks, the layout of the web pages is not user friendly. Maybe its just me, but I'm not satisfied with it.

[rwoo1983]

We should set up a subgroup for guys under 35 and reach out to help them about the benefits of dating RW/FSUW. Does anybody thought about this idea?

[I/O]

We should set up a subgroup for guys under 35 and reach out to help them about the benefits of dating RW/FSUW.

What are those benefits?

[Ade]

What are those benefits?

That they can hide their social ineptitude behind the language barrier and "cultural differences" and as a result date way out of their league... for a while at least.

[dbneeley]

That they can hide their social ineptitude behind the language barrier and "cultural differences" and as a result date way out of their league... for a while at least.

I believe that is somewhat unfair. Among those seeking mates in the FSU or elsewhere abroad there are certainly those who have plenty of "social ineptitude" and who seek to date "way out of their league"--but it is by no means whatsoever confined to the young.

At the same time, there are plenty of people who are not at all inept or seeking to date above themselves. Over the last dozen years or more, I have seen plenty of all sorts.

In some cases, it can be nothing more than being attracted to women the men consider somewhat exotic. In other cases, we have gentlemen who for one reason or another become fascinated with a particular culture. A few have Slavic family roots and thus have identified over their lives with that part of their background, so they too can be attracted to ladies of a similar background but believe there is a paucity of them in their home area.

By contrast, a percentage of the older men in this quest are seriously damaged in many ways; some, I am convinced, could not get a date back home and look abroad out of desperation. Talk about trying to "marry up!"

In short, there is no more stigma to be attached to the young than to the older guys simply from the fact that they are interested in pursuing an FSUW.

That said, I think most men are not well advised to rush into marriage early -- to anyone from any place. I married the first time while quite young myself--and that was indeed a mistake. I have found in many cases that both males and females often change greatly as they go through their 20s. If married, they often grow apart and become simply another divorce statistic--which is often tragic where young children are concerned. It is difficult to tell such a young person, though, that early marriage may well be a mistake...at least, to tell him and actually have him hear and understand why that should be!

David