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[Misha]

Those temper induced emotional games are quite prevalent. Perhaps not all RW have that propensity, but I've yet to meet one who doesn't.

I clearly was meeting a very different type of woman when I was dating 

[Daveman]

I clearly was meeting a very different type of woman when I was dating  

LoL, yeah, but you were also fluently speaking the native language and could travel into the nether hidden regions to that secret island of tranquility.  Slide that treasure map this way please sir..  


I do seem to recall an incident of rampantly stampeding Monopoly houses on the news from Western Canada at one point...    but you know how the news media sensationalizes the most innocuous events.. probably doesn't even compare the mine who have thrown actual apartment buildings. 

[Amerkanski]

Scroll up Gator, he answered that and said he would.

I have sometimes wondered if the men of RWD would be so quick to marry if it was not a necessary part of the K-1 package.  I have a feeling that if we could bring RW here on a tourist visa and let them stay as long as we wanted if men would spend more time getting to know thier ladies before jumping into marriage. It is pretty rare for an AM to propose to an AW after a 4 or 5 day visit.  There is no need to.  For RW with the cost of travel and the limited vacation time some get they don't have choices.  In my case we did pretty much what the OP suggested.  We spent a few months living together and I agree with him that if someone can do it they really should.

Everyone is on their best behavior when they first meet for a couple days or even weeks. Try a couple months and it's always fun to see how long a RW has to keep her cell phone turned off. Here's a quick story and a great lesson. Sveta the women in the pictures I took to Turkey has come over daily for months (in the beginning) because I like to cook and she likes to watch American movies etc.

Anyway, I have an elaborate internet setup in my flat and a few laptops and she uses one them because it's an RU keyboard. Over a period of a couple months I noticed a slight attitude change in her when I got back from holiday in the US. So when she left I flipped open the laptop and Firefox browser (all passwords were saved) and got in her mail.ru account, ICQ, Skpe, ETC. I read all of her emails/message history and noticed she was sending photos to a local RG and mentioned the word "love" often in these emails that also pre-dated our trip to Turkey. Now the kicker is, the photos she sent the guy was the photos I took of her in Turkey alone. So I copied the emails and photos and hide them in my flat and never said word.

A few months goes by and I am slowly pulling away from her and then one day she confronts me at my flat and goes into this dramatic crying drama on how I am selfish and she loves me so much BLa BLa Bla.. I mean this was the real deal emotional "I can't live this way without you type stuff". It was great. So we made love and she hopped in the shower and I started to cook something. She comes out wearing my tshirt and starts eating off my plate and then asks me what I am reading. I then hand her a copy of the emails and my photos she sent to the RG.

I kiss her on her forehead and told her I was tired and I want to go to sleep. Alone..... welcome to Russia  

[kievstar]

Amerkanski, the story above is typical of the type of girls that flock to an expat.  You have more money than a typical RM and she likes the fact you will spend time and money on her.  She is a decent looking girl (photos you shared) but not the type to attract rich RM for anything serious - few RW can do that. So these women flock to expats.  These women know where expats hangout.  You are going to probably be her best longterm option in her eyes currently but like most insincere women they get exposed.

I think your stories will be helpful in letting traveller's know about gold digger type women but you have not shown any ability to provide information on sincere women which there are millions in FSU.  Most people on this board are looking for sincere women.  Your lifestyle will most likely never put you in a position to meet sincere RW.

[Amerkanski]

Amerkanski, the story above is typical of the type of girls that flock to an expat.  You have more money than a typical RM and she likes the fact you will spend time and money on her.  She is a decent looking girl (photos you shared) but not the type to attract rich RM for anything serious - few RW can do that. So these women flock to expats.  These women know where expats hangout.  You are going to probably be her best longterm option in her eyes currently but like most insincere women they get exposed.

I think your stories will be helpful in letting traveller's know about gold digger type women but you have not shown any ability to provide information on sincere women which there are millions in FSU.  Most people on this board are looking for sincere women.  Your lifestyle will most likely never put you in a position to meet sincere RW.

Great reply and thanks..

[Shadow]

So you were holding out on evidence which you took by invading her private accounts (which is a criminal offense) and had no problem using her for a couple of months until you found it time to ditch her.

Hmm... class-act.

[Misha]

These women know where expats hangout.  You are going to probably be her best longterm option in her eyes currently but like most insincere women they get exposed.

Kievstar is onto something. Notably since Amerikanski did write when asked how he meets women: "I go to my favorite cafes and market places and just sit, but in truth, after building your daily routines it's a matter of time before they all know who you and that your single. Single ladies are very clever introducing themselves." In other words, he doesn't put much effort into finding women, simply waits for women that will come to him, and in my experience if you do that then the women that will seek you out are those with an agenda. As Kievstar writes, I would wager that the favorite cafes in questions are those where you have lots of expats.

[JR]

simply waits for women that will come to him, and in my experience if you do that then the women that will seek you out are those with an agenda.

So true, in this case you're likely to meet a certain type of lady more than another type. But this can be true anywhere and under all circumstances.

"The pond you're finshing in has a lot to do with the type of fish you're catching."

[RussianWind]

She does the payroll for a employment company in Volgograd and makes $2800 a month as a manager.

I learn new things about Russia every day in this forum. I didn't know that Volgograd was economically developed much better than Moscow. 

[kievstar]

russianwind, we do not really know she makes 2,800 per month at her job.  Maybe what she tells people.  She maybe including the money she gets from other men per month. Her apartment and car may have been gifts.  Never know.  But more than likely what she tells people is not true. 

I met many of these women in Kiev at work and outside work.  Not going to sidetrack this thread but on a high level when your an expat the single insincere ladies are the ones you tend to meet.  Many work in salaried positions in big companies and make a lot of side money. Was the same in Brazil when I worked there as well.  This is not a RW thing but a gold digger thing.

I remember working in Ernst and Young's office in Kiev on helping them out on a project.  Managing partner (Ukrainian) said we need to work in another location as no one is getting anything done in my office (about 50 people).  I asked why.  Because your a single young American with money.  My office has stopped working as there is talk on which girl you will be seeing tonight.  Until we leave nothing will get done.  So we went to another location for the remainder of the project. But eventhough the other location was about 4 miles away for the next couple weeks kept bumping into women from that office at lunch and dinner.  This was an area not known for the best or cheapest food either.  These girls had one thing on their mind. 

I have a bunch of stories on this but this is not my thread. But the fact is expats have easy access to women but it is really hard to find marriage material.  If my memory is correct probably had lunch / dinner dates with 100 plus girls living in Kiev.  Met 2 or 3 outside of Kiev.  Married one outside of Kiev area after not working in Ukraine. Another thing that happens with expats is everybody tries to set you up with their daughter, niece, friend etc.  I met some nice girls that way but not attracted to them.  Most of them where to young for me but very very good looking.

But if your perceived to be a good guy and work long enough in Ukraine the good girls will latch on to you.  But the numbers of very attractive insincere women is staggering.  And they do a good job of coming across as that sweet country bell.

[Misha]

So true, in this case you're likely to meet a certain type of lady more than another type. But this can be true anywhere and under all circumstances.

That is why I preferred to be more proactive and seek out myself the kind of woman that I wanted.

[Admin]

No, I'm not Boris. If you've never been eye mugged talking English with your wife walking down the street..then maybe there is a reason for that. 

Well just got back home and went back to where I left off in this Thread.....

Amerkanski, would you care to Explain what you mean by the remark in BOLD above?

There are rules here and one thing we don't do is make insulting remarks towards wives....

I'll give you a chance to clarify. Mods?

Amerkanski,

As you can tell (or should be able to tell), you may have - and likely did - offend one of our members. UTRO has asked, patiently, for you to address the meaning behind what you wrote. Your silence on the matter is of some concern.

Please respond to his question.

- Dan

[Faux Pas]

Eye mugging is a term I've heard few times. I considered it nothing more than evil stares. I don't know that is what the OP was referring to but that is how I took it.

[CanadaMan]

Eye mugging is a term I've heard few times. I considered it nothing more than evil stares. I don't know that is what the OP was referring to but that is how I took it.

It seems you missed Utro's point.
It's not the eye mugging or term, that he's upset about, but rather the insinuation that his wife was not even worthy of being eye mugged in the first place.

[alex330]

Eye mugging is a term I've heard few times.

I took it as what we would call "stink eye" in Hawaii. The locals are just jealous and give the guy a dirty look for being with one of their women.
I have seen it in many countries. I would take it as a compliment that you are a better man 

[ECOCKS]

It seems you missed Utro's point.
It's not the eye mugging or term, that he's upset about, but rather the insinuation that his wife was not even worthy of being eye mugged in the first place.

And you miss FP's point that he doesn't see it as having anything to do with the wife. Like FP, when I first saw the comment I took it as personal animosity conveyed through a look or stare-down. I don't necessarily see an insinuation there either. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just unclear as to what motivated him to say it or what the point was, like much of what Amerikanski has written so far.

[Admin]

And you miss FP's point that he doesn't see it as having anything to do with the wife. Like FP, when I first saw the comment I took it as personal animosity conveyed through a look or stare-down. I don't necessarily see an insinuation there either. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just unclear as to what motivated him to say it or what the point was, like much of what Amerikanski has written so far.

Agree that it was ambiguous. To UTRO's credit, rather than assume a meaning that may not have been intended, he asked for clarification - more than once, in fact.

- Dan

[UTRO]

Agree that it was ambiguous. To UTRO's credit, rather than assume a meaning that may not have been intended, he asked for clarification - more than once, in fact.

- Dan

Yes clarification.
We all get a little touchy and 'in your face' at times.
Through time and we know who we can and can't poke a little fun at here. Right JR?!
I'd like to believe there is a good explanation for Amerkanski's comment and I would like to hear it.
If it is what I think it is, I want an apology and more importantly an apology to Svetlana.
Not only is she my wife and a Woman, she is a Member here on RWD.
One thing to attack me, I can handle it and will volley back, but we don't insult wives.

[JohnDearGreen]

Is it true that Russian women often take on married Russian men as lovers?
Ie. it's quite the norm in Russia?
If it is true, can you please explain why this is done, especially from the point of view of the women?

Maybe the Russian Kelly girl isn't looking for keyboard Romeo because keyboard Juliet already has a keyboard Romeo just down the hall behind the mahogany desk:
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/35776/

[Amerkanski]

Kievstar is onto something. Notably since Amerikanski did write when asked how he meets women: "I go to my favorite cafes and market places and just sit, but in truth, after building your daily routines it's a matter of time before they all know who you and that your single. Single ladies are very clever introducing themselves." In other words, he doesn't put much effort into finding women, simply waits for women that will come to him, and in my experience if you do that then the women that will seek you out are those with an agenda. As Kievstar writes, I would wager that the favorite cafes in questions are those where you have lots of expats.

No, not at all. I live in a place south of the city and to be straight forward the only 2 expats I've met over years wore black pants and white dress-shirts with ties and name tags asking me if I want to take Jesus Christ as my lord and savior and at the time I just did not feel the need. But what you should understand is I am NOT looking to meet RW it just happens naturally and the point of the post.

[Amerkanski]

So you were holding out on evidence which you took by invading her private accounts (which is a criminal offense) and had no problem using her for a couple of months until you found it time to ditch her.

Hmm... class-act.

Possibly, you should focus on your word "evidence" and then ask yourself if your opinion holds validity.

[Jooky]

Amerikanski,

Do you ever meet women online, or do you usually just meet them in cafes and in public places as you mentioned?

Do the guys you work with set you up with women?

Do you think there's something to what Kievstar said? At least that you attract women who specifically would target a man with money (a foreigner is usually seen as such)?

[Amerkanski]

I learn new things about Russia every day in this forum. I didn't know that Volgograd was economically developed much better than Moscow. 

Then let me clue you in a bit about Volgograd. The city is 40 miles long and hugs the Volga river with a couple million people that live there and was formally known as Stalingrad,- the largest battle in human history that was won by the Russians. And where ..Enemy at the gate' movie was based upon.

The City has many factories that stretch the 40 miles and it's also where many RU military weapons are made. WTS, I know many Ru's in their 20's that drive porsche cayenne. Sadly, the social-cast in this city could easily rival India.

[Amerkanski]

Amerikanski,

Do you ever meet women online, or do you usually just meet them in cafes and in public places as you mentioned?

Do the guys you work with set you up with women?

Do you think there's something to what Kievstar said? At least that you attract women who specifically would target a man with money (a foreigner is usually seen as such)?

I never meet women online. I work behind a computer 10 hours a day and when I can get away from it I run.

"Do the guys you work with set you up with women?" - No. I run a tight ship and it might be bit hard for you to understand this, but they respect me and never would.

Do you think there's something to what Kievstar said? At least that you attract women who specifically would target a man with money (a foreigner is usually seen as such)? - I understand his point but my city does not have an Expat community. WTS, all women Ru or not, try to attach themselves to financial stability. To be straight forward, that statement does not apply to my life in the Volga.

[GQBlues]

Amerkanski-

What then, from your POV, will the Top Ten things AM need to adhere to when pursuing women of Russia as a bride?

What will be the Top Ten things that can be noted by AMs to better understand the dynamics of women of Russia?

What will be the Top Ten things must AMs prepare themselves for when getting involved with a woman from Russia that they would not normally encounter with an AW?