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[Amerkanski]

Amerkanitz-
I hardly need to bother the admin to remind you  it's an open forum .

You've no ownership to a threads open discussion because you started one,
or in who can participate in it.
Frankly, I see very little off topic that you did not bring along yourself..
You can request it closed ,and i'd gladly oblige.

Please explain WHY on earth your thoughts or advice be only relevant to  a first trip American male?

As I understand that Canadians don't count, neither do  married guys, or men previously married or with any experience..


I'm planning on returning someday ,
and am open to listen to your  experiences ,, even though it doesn't reflect my own so far..


As far as what point Misha had,
and your reply to me about it..

Yes, Yes,  there are a LOT of Russians in my area as well,and i can generally spot them easily as well??
just like i could easily spot you in Volgograd..

The RM here in Chicago,  are not looking for brides here , the American women they might attract  are not going to target them specifically as might happen with an westerner in the FSU.. like you.
so isn't  relevant to the forum
Misha's point was..

I wouldn't doubt that the possible situation with expats ,also applies to western men going to the FSU thru agencies or on there own,, so wether obvious or not ,its quite relevant.

You proclaim to want to help *newbies*

ok a newbie may experience this "targeting" by a general type..both before he ventures, and once there,,
 what could  he do to diminish this effect ,or meet more genuine ,sincere women?

It's easy for any of us to point out the problems,
answers to them are what would be helpful to both first time trip takers,  and experienced ones.



 I've almost closed this thread a couple of times.. probably should have..
both sides need to lay off the personal insults

Mod if you could, step back and think "the big picture"...I guarantee a newbie guy will learn more off this thread then if he contributed here for the next 6 months. If you could just think "Big picture"..respectfully.

[UTRO]

AJ, I agree. Close the Thread. Perhaps Amerkansiki needs this as much as we all do. 
Clear the slate so to speak.
I have personally extended my hand to him privately with no response from him....

[Amerkanski]

AJ, I agree. Close the Thread. Perhaps Amerkansiki needs this as much as we all do.  
Clear the slate so to speak.
I have personally extended my hand to him privately with no response from him....

There was no response because it would mean more if you did it publicly because our disagreement was not in private.

Here is the problem I have with you.. "your" Sveta.. she's not property and why we could never get along or have a mutual understanding.

[Jooky]

So when you say,Let's talk about the Truth about Russian women you will get a barrage of different opinions. How about we start there?

That, I agree with. That's why I asked many questions about your specific situation because I wonder why you think most Russian women are brash, rude, have a sense of entitlement and play mind games. That's why I share some of my experiences.

My experiences and the experiences of others don't invalidate your experiences, but they do invalidate your generalizations.

Also my experiences are neither false nor sugar-coated. I don’t think there is a truth about Russian women. There are all kinds. I think Russian women in general take better care to look good than American women and there are some minor cultural differences men get to deal with (less so with the younger generation), but that’s about it.

You say you'd never marry a Russian women and your general observations about Russian women are mostly negative. You don't know enough about Russian men to say whether or not their experiences match yours.

I think a few posters here got it right. You’re being targeted and selected by a certain type of woman because you’re an obvious ex-pat.  I think if you met women using other methods you might have a different opinion about Russian women in general. Or maybe not. It might also be your personality that attracts a certain type. But you might be having enough fun as is.

I do think a lot of American men going to Russia are targeted by these same kind of women, like AJ just said. So the real question is, how can they avoid them?

[Jumper]

Mod if you could, step back and think "the big picture"...I guarantee a newbie guy will learn more off this thread then if he contributed here for the next 6 months. If you could just think "Big picture"..respectfully.

Respectfully , I look at the big picture or would have already closed this.

Odds are more than great that I have as much ,or more, experience living in the FSU,married to an FSU woman ,and RW in general than yourself. Yet I still would make no  claims to knowing the culture or women in depth.
 
Since i'm divorced your insinuation you are somehow insulting me (or other formerly married ,or currently marred men)
with the *truth* is silly at best,and it's a disingenuous way of propping up your position.

I simply do not share your experiences ,, but I do value listening to others ...
and respect that they may have had a different experience than my own.



 

Now WAKE UP and try to understand what I am doing here..

I'm awake and this has become tedious,
and it's quickly headed to the no holds barred section ,or closed ,
 if you can't make your points without those type of comments.
a warning isn't enough..?

I am trying to understand what  you are doing here?
you profess advice for new guys
but have given a couple of brief points in 13 pages..

Most of which I myself followed 8 years ago..
you could have gone to Bhrama board, or RWG and read similar advice  in '98 99?.....
 I feel i should apologize or something that you are not the first expat ,
or part time expat ,to open eyes to the ugly ,and concentrate on it..
"look what i found out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
(and have the attitude that anyone that already knows ,should not be allowed to post in *your* thread)

Try sharing your experiences,
without the expectation that someone with a different experience wont share those in this thread (not YOUR thread) as well.
Their experience is relevant ,and on topic.

I do think you've learned some things that could be helpful if you'd expand on your thoughts in a manner your audience would listen .


If a teacher doesn't reach a student ,who failed?

[Shadow]

Possibly, you should focus on your word "evidence" and then ask yourself if your opinion holds validity.

I am looking at your actions and see:

I just pulled off a 24 coding an Internet marketing bot..I still have some coffee left.

As I dabble in IT, I just can not help wondering if this is what I think it is.


Then you state:

So when she left I flipped open the laptop and Firefox browser (all passwords were saved) and got in her mail.ru account, ICQ, Skpe, ETC. I read all of her emails/message history and noticed she was sending photos to a local RG and mentioned the word "love" often in these emails that also pre-dated our trip to Turkey. Now the kicker is, the photos she sent the guy was the photos I took of her in Turkey alone. So I copied the emails and photos and hide them in my flat and never said word.

A few months goes by....

Given that you have also stated your Russian is limited I wonder if you could actually read the mails or just jumped to conclusions.

Your own behaviour is at least unethical, and might even be criminal.
This means that any advice you have to give to newbies will probably be on that level as well. If I were an American man who was preparing his first trip to Russia I would take your advice as what NOT to do.

[Amerkanski]

That, I agree with. That's why I asked many questions about your specific situation because I wonder why you think most Russian women are brash, rude, have a sense of entitlement and play mind games. That's why I share some of my experiences.

My experiences and the experiences of others don't invalidate your experiences, but they do invalidate your generalizations.

Also my experiences are neither false nor sugar-coated. I don’t think there is a truth about Russian women. There are all kinds. I think Russian women in general take better care to look good than American women and there are some minor cultural differences men get to deal with (less so with the younger generation), but that’s about it.

You say you'd never marry a Russian women and your general observations about Russian women are mostly negative. You don't know enough about Russian men to say whether or not their experiences match yours.

I think a few posters here got it right. You’re being targeted and selected by a certain type of woman because you’re an obvious ex-pat.  I think if you met women using other methods you might have a different opinion about Russian women in general. Or maybe not. It might also be your personality that attracts a certain type. But you might be having enough fun as is.

I do think a lot of American men going to Russia are targeted by these same kind of women, like AJ just said. So the real question is, how can they avoid them?

First, I'm not being targeted by any of them in your understanding-that's what I can't get through to you. My opinion differs from yours because I'm NOT looking for a wife or trying to build personal relations. My primary goal is to make money period. This changes all dynamics you could ever possibly understand and my true core opinion. Over the years flying back and fourth sitting next to American guys with hopes and dreams to utter devastation. It's time to tell the truth.

Here's a bit in brief about me. Grew up in LA San Fernando Valley. It's where all the movie studios are-Disney, Paramount, Sony pictures, WB, etc. My whole life I've seen plane, train, busloads, of beautiful women who flock there to be the next Hollywood star and will say anything, do anything, or use anyone to get in the movies.

Now also add it's 1.5 hours away from Mexico when there was no drinking age and betting donkey shows. The first time I ever seen a dead body is when her Mexican pimp beat her to death for talking too long with a John. I was 15 and the John. So I don't need you to tell me how RW are targeting me. In truth, and respectfully you are insulting and hard for me to even take your opinions remotely serious.

Anyway, the reason why I mention this is YOU can't Avoid them unless you have commonsense. Now let's add the American guy from a small town anywhere who is surfing the net and meets a RW. Now imagine him falling and for her and thinks all RW are sweet things and wonderful. Now add he's never left the country before. He saves up his hard earned money and comes all sugarcoated and then meets her in a city like Rostov.

He is a perfect gentlemen and tries to hyper pace a relationship and gets a bit emotional amongst the culture shock, jet lag, or physical bonding time. It is an emotional toxic disaster waiting to happen. I live there and seen it many times and have had 100 of discussions about it with Russian people and women. In these smaller Russian towns I've had them ask me if I was there to take their women to go work clubs in America? Matter of fact, Svetas father asked me that.

Part-II after coffee

Russia in a Nutshell:

What they won’t tell you in the brochure:  

Although, it is getting better for the people and some nice places like St. Pete, parts of Moscow or Sochi. The vast majority of cities and towns look like rundown projects of Detroit. Russian people “in general” hate each other and will argue at a drop of hat. Most people have ZERO chance of bettering their lives or economic status. There is a constant tense feeling everywhere and Russian don’t trust each other period. Life there is exhausting even to do the simplest things like food shopping or transit. Everything is a discussion as if you were in the UN. It has to be thought out, analyzed, and reversed engineered, and then reconstructed. Russians are horribly stricken with greed and envy. The general youth there think they are all part of a greater Mafia syndicate. Or act like they are.

I find most Russians to be incredibly ignorant about American culture or politics that they are obsessed to talk about and constantly try to compare. They have a problem admitting when they’re wrong and will cause a scene if need be. I find their life in general to be boring and bland like their food. They are very structure and don’t like to experiment new things unless it’s travel or to buy something new. They remind me of clocks. They have zero regards for there fellow man and I truly think they like to see people suffer. They don’t truly live a free life, but endure and just simply exists.

Part III - more coffee

Now drop in a bright eyed AM with love in his eyes, hopes and dreams, and with a pocket full of money. What do you think is going to happen to the majority even if the RG has the best intentions? The RW will tell him anything to get out of there and why he needs to take the steps I’ve mentioned to have a successful relationship. In short, you go in steps. The problem I see with AM is they will still go forward even when every red flag is flying. Almost like moths to a flame and they will play forward all the way to the US.

The aftermath:

I know two guys that married RW and I knew both of the women before and after. I’ve never seen couples work so hard in a marriage in my life. It’s not so much as how the RW changed, but how the AM did. It boiled down to 2 things total control, or being controlled and the marriage turned to a micro version of the RU. To endure and just simply exists or much worse. This is why I would never marry a RW because it’s just simply easier to marry a American women.

Something positive for a change:

I’ve been working for years with a RG daily that I completely trust. He has access to all my web servers and merchant accounts because he installed them and built my websites and coded anything and everything I’ve ever asked. He is by far the most sound and intelligent guy I know in the RU and the US. He’s been happily married for 10 years and has two great kids and I don’t think it’s possible to be more honest then this guy. In short, I respect his values and work ethic and I even learned and improved much about my professional life and career just simply being associated with him. I am proud to call him my friend and associate.

WTS, he agrees with me that Americans should never marry RW. I asked him why and he gave me a simple answer. Because your culture is not tough enough….

[Amerkanski]

I am looking at your actions and see:
As I dabble in IT, I just can not help wondering if this is what I think it is.


Then you state:Given that you have also stated your Russian is limited I wonder if you could actually read the mails or just jumped to conclusions.

Your own behaviour is at least unethical, and might even be criminal.
This means that any advice you have to give to newbies will probably be on that level as well. If I were an American man who was preparing his first trip to Russia I would take your advice as what NOT to do.

You're not an American male.. so don't worry

[Jooky]

Ok, one step at a time. First...

First, i'm not being targeted by any of them in your understanding-that's what I can't get through to you.

99% of the women you meet approach you first. They approach you because you are an obvious foreigner, right? So how are you not being targeted?

Next...

In these smaller Russian towns I've had them ask me if I was there to take their women to go work clubs in America? Matter of fact, Svetas father asked me that.

And was Sveta's father ok with that? Was Sveta the type of girl that would work in a club? And doesn't this clue you in to how you are being perceived in Russia?

[Shadow]

You're not an American male.. so don't worry

My only worry is that someone might actually think of taking your advise as serious.

[Amerkanski]

Ok, one step at a time. First...
99% of the women you meet approach you first. They approach you because you are an obvious foreigner, right? So how are you not being targeted?

It's simply curiosity. A vast majority of the time they then walk away.

And was Sveta's father ok with that? Was Sveta the type of girl that would work in a club? And doesn't this clue you in to how you are being perceived in Russia?

[/b]

Don't waste my time again with your cheap shots.. Remember we are working together on this thread and you AGAIN read it out of context. Do you read my posts? Have you ever known a RG working in a club with an economics degree from MU that does not drink or smoke? He was simply asking if RW are in American clubs. I said I've only met Bulgarians and Ukrainians in American clubs and no Russians. Please let me finish before you post again. Almost done

[Jooky]

Please let me finish before you post again.

Sorry, but I’m going to sleep.

Please talk straight and be clear.

I’m trying to get one simple answer out of you. How are you meeting the women that you date and know well enough to label as brash, rude, entitled and mind game playing?

From what you’ve said so far, these women approach you first. Is this correct? If so, you are being selected and targeted as an obvious foreigner and a man with money. Is this right or not? If not, then please explain how you are meeting these women and why you think they are approaching you.

you AGAIN read it out of context. Do you read my posts?

I  do. Do you read your own posts?

Here is the exact context.

In these smaller Russian towns I've had them ask me if I was there to take their women to go work clubs in America? Matter of fact, Svetas father asked me that.

You’re saying that Sveta’s father asked you if you were there to take their women to go work clubs in America. Now you change it and say:

He was simply asking if RW are in American clubs.

They are very different statements. If you’re going to write something, say what you mean, but don’t accuse me of not reading what you wrote.

Look, I think it’s great if you really want to help out a newbie. I think your advice to spend a few months in Russia and get to know the woman you plan to marry is great, but it’s nothing new.

We’ve all seen the disasters you mention and plenty of them. But rather than attribute those disasters to Russian culture, most of us here realize that those situations can be avoided and that there are plenty of good women in Russia.

Your twisted version of Russian ‘reality’ isn’t going to help anybody.

[Amerkanski]

Sorry, but I’m going to sleep.

Please talk straight and be clear.

I’m trying to get one simple answer out of you. How are you meeting the women that you date and know well enough to label as brash, rude, entitled and mind game playing?

From what you’ve said so far, these women approach you first. Is this correct? If so, you are being selected and targeted as an obvious foreigner and a man with money. Is this right or not? If not, then please explain how you are meeting these women and why you think they are approaching you.

I  do. Do you read your own posts?

Here is the exact context.

You’re saying that Sveta’s father asked you if you were there to take their women to go work clubs in America. Now you change it and say:

They are very different statements. If you’re going to write something, say what you mean, but don’t accuse me of not reading what you wrote.

Look, I think it’s great if you really want to help out a newbie. I think your advice to spend a few months in Russia and get to know the woman you plan to marry is great, but it’s nothing new.

We’ve all seen the disasters you mention and plenty of them. But rather than attribute those disasters to Russian culture, most of us here realize that those situations can be avoided and that there are plenty of good women in Russia.

Your twisted version of Russian ‘reality’ isn’t going to help anybody.

Hey, I added to the rest of the post above. Do me a favor if you could please post a few pictures of yourself in Russia with the women you date. Otherwise it is tough not to peg your for a thread hi-jacking troll.

[Shadow]

Now also add it's 1.5 hours away from Mexico when there was no drinking age and betting donkey shows. The first time I ever seen a dead body is when her Mexican pimp beat her to death for talking too long with a John. I was 15 and the John.

So you were damaged goods already a long time. Explains a lot.

In these smaller Russian towns I've had them ask me if I was there to take their women to go work clubs in America? Matter of fact, Svetas father asked me that.

They asked me the same in Moscow. Americans are told all RW are scammers and just want money and a green card, RW are told Americans will treat you as a slave and could sell you to work in cllubs.

Although, it is getting better for the people and some nice places like St. Pete, parts of Moscow or Sochi. The vast majority of cities and towns look like rundown projects of Detroit. Russian people “in general” hate each other and will argue at a drop of hat. Most people have ZERO chance of bettering their lives or economic status. There is a constant tense feeling everywhere and Russian don’t trust each other period. Life there is exhausting even to do the simplest things like food shopping or transit. Everything is a discussion as if you were in the UN. It has to be thought out, analyzed, and reversed engineered, and then reconstructed. Russians are horribly stricken with greed and envy. The general youth there think they are all part of a greater Mafia syndicate. Or act like they are.

I find most Russians to be incredibly ignorant about American culture or politics that they are obsessed to talk about and constantly try to compare. They have a problem admitting when they’re wrong and will cause a scene if need be. I find their life in general to be boring and bland like their food. They are very structure and don’t like to experiment new things unless it’s travel or to buy something new. They remind me of clocks. They have zero regards for there fellow man and I truly think they like to see people suffer. They don’t truly live a free life, but endure and just simply exists.

Americans are just as ignorant about Russian politics, are just as interested in money, and could care less about others (Health reform anyone ?)
If you wish to generalize, its easy...

Now drop in a bright eyed AM with love in his eyes, hopes and dreams, and with a pocket full of money. What do you think is going to happen to the majority even if the RG has the best intentions? The RW will tell him anything to get out of there and why he needs to take the steps I’ve mentioned to have a successful relationship. In short, you go in steps. The problem I see with AM is they will still go forward even when every red flag is flying. Almost like moths to a flame and they will play forward all the way to the US.

Most RW I have met do not want 'to get out of there'. Perhaps it is true that you are meeting the wrong crowd. Another option is that doing some due diligence before actually making a trip will help.
Of course there are people who are beyond help.

I know two guys that married RW and I knew both of the women before and after. I’ve never seen couples work so hard in a marriage in my life. It’s not so much as how the RW changed, but how the AM did. It boiled down to 2 things total control, or being controlled and the marriage turned to a micro version of the RU. To endure and just simply exists or much worse. This is why I would never marry a RW because it’s just simply easier to marry a American women.

Its hard being a real man.

I’ve been working for years with a RG daily that I completely trust. He has access to all my web servers and merchant accounts because he installed them and built my websites and coded anything and everything I’ve ever asked. He is by far the most sound and intelligent guy I know in the RU and the US. He’s been happily married for 10 years and has two great kids and I don’t think it’s possible to be more honest then this guy. In short, I respect his values and work ethic and I even learned and improved much about my professional life and career just simply being associated with him. I am proud to call him my friend and associate.

WTS, he agrees with me that Americans should never marry RW. I asked him why and he gave me a simple answer. Because your culture is not tough enough….

In all these years you made one friend. Would you place his wife in the same category as the RW who chase after foreigners ? And if not, where is the difference?

[Daveman]

Hey, I added to the rest of the post above. Do me a favor if you could please post a few pictures of yourself in Russia with the women you date. Otherwise it is tough not to peg your for a thread hi-jacking troll.

Listen Amerkanski, you have been warned about the personal insults, as well as having been placed on *Warned* status.  From my vantage point, you are the one who appears to be unable to accept counter positions to the content of your posts.  Again, from my vantage point, Zooky has  replied to and asked valid questions of the *content* of your posts without resorting to insults.  

Your experience in Russia, if true/real, is valid as are your opinions derived from that experience,  however, others who've had different experiences are free to post theirs in your thread as well.  This exchange of thoughts (it's a discussion board, not a pulpit) can lend a more complete picture to ones perspective of FSU in general.  You are welcome and encouraged to share you experience, and also encouraged to point counterpoint any content of any other post here or in any other thread.

Now this is the final request for everyone in the thread to lay off the personal jabsand stick to the interesting and informative discussion.

[Amerkanski]

So you were damaged goods already a long time. Explains a lot.

Well, you could always post a photo of you walking on water. You know, it just might make me feel better about myself.

They asked me the same in Moscow. Americans are told all RW are scammers and just want money and a green card, RW are told Americans will treat you as a slave and could sell you to work in cllubs.

scammers or spammers? Sorry let me re-read that- and what do you tell them?

Americans are just as ignorant about Russian politics, are just as interested in money, and could care less about others (Health reform anyone ?)

No, we don't talk about others politics because in truth we don't care. Second, I never talk politics RU because there is nothing I can do or change about it so why waste oxygen? Hmm, "and could care less about others"..are those Russian aid ships in Haiti right now?

Most RW I have met do not want 'to get out of there'. Perhaps it is true that you are meeting the wrong crowd. Another option is that doing some due diligence before actually making a trip will help.

I'm not looking for a Russian women and agree with your statement...

Of course there are people who are beyond help.- moths to a flame

Its hard being a real man.

You just keep trying..

In all these years you made one friend. Would you place his wife in the same category as the RW who chase after foreigners ? And if not, where is the difference?

I know many RP and friendly with all, but I am proud and fortunate to have two I call my friends.

Would you place his wife in the same category as the RW who chase after foreigners ?

I don't understand this.. could you please explain it in another way?

[Amerkanski]

Listen Amerkanski, you have been warned about the personal insults, as well as having been placed on *Warned* status.  From my vantage point, you are the one who appears to be unable to accept counter positions to the content of your posts.  Again, from my vantage point, Zooky has  replied to and asked valid questions of the *content* of your posts without resorting to insults.  

Your experience in Russia, if true/real, is valid as are your opinions derived from that experience,  however, others who've had different experiences are free to post theirs in your thread as well.  This exchange of thoughts (it's a discussion board, not a pulpit) can lend a more complete picture to ones perspective of FSU in general.  You are welcome and encouraged to share you experience, and also encouraged to point counterpoint any content of any other post here or in any other thread.

Now this is the final request for everyone in the thread to lay off the personal jabsand stick to the interesting and informative discussion.

With all do respect mod. Where were you when these same jabs were thrown at me? Idiot, little man, napoleon, etc? Don't you see this could be a bit slanted..they NEVER even got a warning.

[Doll]

Hey, Amer, what is this "prison mentality" you are talking of?
What exactly do you mean?

(BTW, what's you problem to let me call you? Are you hiding or what?
Seriously?)

[Shadow]

Well, you could always post a photo of you walking on water. You know, it just might make me feel better about myself.

There you go

scammers or spammers? Sorry let me re-read that- and what do you tell them?

Its the common horror stories that people tell, nothing out of the ordinary.

No, we don't talk about others politics because in truth we don't care. Second, I never talk politics RU because there is nothing I can do or change about it so why waste oxygen? Hmm, "and could care less about others"..are those Russian aid ships in Haiti right now?

No, there are two Russian hospital planes that arrived before the 14.000 soldiers blocked the airport.

Of course there are people who are beyond help.- moths to a flame

Its hard being a real man.

You just keep trying..

Did you feel it was directed at you ? I was just generalizing.

Would you place his wife in the same category as the RW who chase after foreigners ?

I don't understand this.. could you please explain it in another way?

If the woman your best friend is married to similar to the RW you describe and that you want to warn Americans for ?

Just one tip... If you wish to give answers to a quote in parts, put a [ /quote ] where you wish to break the text and repeat the quoate header for the next part. I know its hard for a guy that is a programmer as its extra work, but it looks a lot better.

[Doll]

The US city I live in has a very large population of Russians and Ukrainians and I can spot a Russian a mile away too. He's usually chain smoking, double parking, with his window open in the middle of winter, and I can smell cheap cologne from a half a block away.  

The topic starter absolutely hates Russians (former USSR people).
Doesn't smell good. Amer is stuffed with his "I am American" superiority- just like 50% of US people. Who is not American - stinks. Woman are trash, cities are garbage, etc. He is just doing a huge favor working there.
 

[Shadow]

The topic starter absolutely hates Russians (former USSR people).
Doesn't smell good. Amer is stuffed with his "I am American" superiority- just like 50% of US people. Who is not American - stinks. Woman are trash, cities are garbage, etc. He is just doeng a huge favor working there.
 

Doll, I am sure he has every reason to hate Russians /FSU people as the only thing that is keeping him alive in Russia is paying ridiculous amounts of money.
If you read his background story its clear the guy has been a trouble maker for a long time, to the point where he has built an armour around himself that will disallow any dissenting opinion from his own to get through.
As long as he is lucky and smart enough to make money, in whatever (non-)questionable way,  he will get away with his antics. But I doubt he is actually capable of loving a woman, apart from the physical aspect.

[Doll]

Ok, I've finished the yesterday portion of this thread and now am sure what Amer wants- two things. One is he really wants to tell the AM here that RW are not what they think(which I agreed long ago as you,guys, remember), another - he wants to gain this sort of attention (I clearly see it as I work in special education and see these things every day).
  Some things are true (of what Amer says), some not.
 What I do agree is - it is not worth going overseas to fetch wives. I said it long ago- years ago. Why am I saying that? Because AW are close to you, guys, in mentality. Most of RW will always be "aliens" and THIS IS HOW IT IS!
 Amer is right when he writes that AW can and will show you love the way you want it, because they were raised so. RW were raised in a different environment and it will always affect the relationships (with a tiny exception).
  As for Amer's bitching Russian reality- then just pack up and go home of it is so ugly.

[Amerkanski]

Hey, Amer, what is this "prison mentality" you are talking of?
What exactly do you mean?

Too hard to explain and more of slang for you to understand.
(BTW, what's you problem to let me call you? Are you hiding or what?
Seriously?)

No no because if you call me Jooky would say you're targeting me.

[Doll]

Shadow,I know he is a trouble maker.

[Amerkanski]

The topic starter absolutely hates Russians (former USSR people).
Doesn't smell good. Amer is stuffed with his "I am American" superiority- just like 50% of US people. Who is not American - stinks. Woman are trash, cities are garbage, etc. He is just doing a huge favor working there.
 

The truth is you judge a country by how many people want in, not out..