RW and latin men

[groovlstk]

Before I met my wife I met a local Ukrainian woman through a Russian dating site. I thought she was single but while we had dinner she explained she had just arrived in the US on a K1. When I asked her if she loved her husband, she sort of shrugged and replied, "he's Hispanic," as if that was something I should understand.

This woman was a garbage human being, she had arrived in the US a few weeks earlier and was already looking to trade up.

One thing I notice is that most men (and women) believe that they are good judges of character. I think it's like driving - even the worst male drivers refuse to admit they're lousy because they don't want to believe they come up short in something so important to their identity as a man. This woman had totally bamboozled her husband, at least for awhile, and he's certainly not the first.

Some of these women are hard-wired for betrayal, and no matter how many people share their stories about this guys will continue to marry women they barely know and trust their wonderful people-judging instincts. 

[Faux Pas]

How come "some" people think its okay to talk about Slavery like they are some sort of expert? Stop being revisionist!

 It was one of the worst things to ever happen in America and the legacy of White Supremacy keeps us from having Reconciliation Hearings like they did in South Africa or discussions about Reparations (when the US has paid Reparations to Iraqis, Vietnamese and Cambodians) and caused over 600,000 deaths as the result of the Civil War, so please don't try to minimize the damage racism has caused in America and continues to cause.

 This is the same country that wouldn't recognize Haiti when it kicked out the French and became the FIRST All Black Country in the Western Hemisphere in 1804, fearing it would give our own slaves ideas. 

Bullshyt. Who in this thread claimed to be any type of expert on slavery? Further I see no one attempting to revise history. The legacy of "white supremacy"? Please explain yourself here. White supremacist are but a very small minute' part of the population in America that have no hold on the discussions of reconciliations or reparations for slavery. The idea is completely absurd on it's face. Slavery ended almost a 150 years ago and the events of Haiti you describe over 200 years ago. Please put forth a victim due reparations.

dj you seemingly have a chip on your shoulder because you are black. Your posts here and I noticed on another thread comes across to me as pure racist bile. Get over yourself. Slavery has existed throughout time and most races have at one time or another been enslaved. Blacks do not corner the market on slavery, only some of the most recent incidents in the history of mankind.

Back On Topic -

 I learned a while back to not ask a board like this that's homogeneous, when most of the posters don't have any clue what they are talking about.

 They simply don't know and the women they deal with have not considered anybody but Caucasian men, like somebody would REALLY ask - "Would you consider a Black or Brown man over me?"

 I can tell that you Color is not important for many women who only care about the man you are inside, you can take that to the bank.

Here's a little something you can take to the bank. The FSU is a racist based society that runs much deeper than apparently even you could imagine. In case you haven't noticed, FSU and FSUW is the topic we discuss here. We didn't make the culture of the FSU but, we do discuss it's positive and negative traits, nuances and more specifically the women. One is not required to be black or white to do so. If you object to such open discussion from members because they are white well, tough shit.
 

 

 
 
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[Gator]

Faux Pas,

DJ has a point although he could have stated it softer. 

I believe you will admit that racial discrimination was a long, deep seated problem, particularly in the South.  The difference between discrimination and white supremacy is minor in my opinion except for the inference of militancy with the latter.  Discrimination cut to the bone, and it was not just political and economic.  It was cultural and social as well (schools, toilets, water, theaters, baseball stadiums, etc.).  What does that leave that would fall under the umbrella of white supremacy yet not be considered discrimination?

While slavery ended in 1863 or 1865, near slavery continued well into the 20th century.

Reparations?  DJ is wrong.  While reparations are warranted, they are unworkable if not impossible.  What would be the just award?  DJ probably would prefer to stay here rather than return to the homeland of his ancestors.  Affirmative Action has been the best compensation, particularly because it has reached the point of 'overcompensation.'

FSU racist?  In some ways yes.  However, the point  is whether RW are racist.  To be more exact, the point is whether so many RW are racist that a black man should not waste his time going there.  My  answer is no.  There are plenty of RW who would be open to learning the true substance and merit of DJ.


 

[Shadow]

FSU has racism, just like any other society has. And in bad times, racism usually grows, as people wish to blame others for their own misfortune.
The difference between the FSU and the USA is that expressions, jokes and habits seen as racism in the USA are seen as perfectly normal in the FSU. This can be shocking if you are used to the PC world, and some people will feel ashamed that the FSU people seem to have no problems with it, including those who are the subject.

In a recent chat (not here) a FSU woman tried to explain some USA terms to the Russians and Ukrainians present. She told that while the 'N-word' was seen as discriminatory, the word 'Nigga' meant 'friend'.
We were quick to inform her that due to the closeness in spoken word, it would be very unwise for her to address an African-American with 'nigga'.
This concept is alien for almost anyone in the FSU, where a word is a word and you will have to answer for it, regardless of who says the words.

[djfourmonie]

 Who's angry? I might be upset slightly... The problem with today the present is that most Americans want to distance themselves from what happen siting any recent progress has solve any deep seeded problems.

 Faux you just one of many Americans in the minority that see things the way you do, its sad but your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There plenty of good stories, videos and reports that support anything I have to say, your welcome to ask for links.

 Gator is correct read Douglas Blackmon's book - Slavery By Another Name - http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/

 I will close in saying you only have to look at the present jail population and the failed "War On Drugs" as signal that racism and White Supremacy are not over by any stretch of the imagination.

 

 
 






 

[djfourmonie]

FSU has racism, just like any other society has. And in bad times, racism usually grows, as people wish to blame others for their own misfortune.
The difference between the FSU and the USA is that expressions, jokes and habits seen as racism in the USA are seen as perfectly normal in the FSU. This can be shocking if you are used to the PC world, and some people will feel ashamed that the FSU people seem to have no problems with it, including those who are the subject.

In a recent chat (not here) a FSU woman tried to explain some USA terms to the Russians and Ukrainians present. She told that while the 'N-word' was seen as discriminatory, the word 'Nigga' meant 'friend'.
We were quick to inform her that due to the closeness in spoken word, it would be very unwise for her to address an African-American with 'nigga'.
This concept is alien for almost anyone in the FSU, where a word is a word and you will have to answer for it, regardless of who says the words.

 This is because the US doesn't spend time expressing its worst traits to the outside world or haven't you noticed?

[GregfromGa]

Who's angry? I might be upset slightly... The problem with today the present is that most Americans want to distance themselves from what happen siting any recent progress has solve any deep seeded problems.

 Faux you just one of many Americans in the minority that see things the way you do, its sad but your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There plenty of good stories, videos and reports that support anything I have to say, your welcome to ask for links.

 Gator is correct read Douglas Blackmon's book - Slavery By Another Name - http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/

 I will close in saying you only have to look at the present jail population and the failed "War On Drugs" as signal that racism and White Supremacy are not over by any stretch of the imagination.

 

 
 






 

What does racism have to do with the prison population? If a person doesnt break the law then he doesnt go to jail.

[GregfromGa]

African-Americans dont want to mention the fact that most were already slaves to other Africans before they ever got on the boat to come here. They were sold by their on people into slavery. There's a lot of groups that paid a high price for freedom. Join the crowd.

[Gator]

African-Americans dont want to mention the fact that most were already slaves to other Africans before they ever got on the boat to come here. They were sold by their on people into slavery. There's a lot of groups that paid a high price for freedom. Join the crowd.

Most slaves sold to American and Caribbean planters came from West Africa.  They had been captured in raids by other local tribes and by slave traders mainly from East Africa and Europe. 

So, Greg, your statement,  "most were already slaves to other Africans before they ever got on the boat..." is correct.  It is a misleading statement, particularly considering that the predator tribes and Euro-African traders were simply supplying a market demand.  If Western planters did not need cheap labor, there would never have been so many slave raids.

[djfourmonie]

African-Americans dont want to mention the fact that most were already slaves to other Africans before they ever got on the boat to come here. They were sold by their on people into slavery. There's a lot of groups that paid a high price for freedom. Join the crowd.

 Much of this is really pointless.

 Any of this can be answered by using Google. I mean I could post it or even write it, but you won't believe it.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas,

DJ has a point although he could have stated it softer. 

I actually read his other post first. I thought to respond to it and thought better of it as to let him have a rant if he feels it so justified. We've had a number of black members here, most do not condescend to the white membership and those normally receive my utmost respect. Of course they are not pointing the finger of condemnation and disrespect.

I believe you will admit that racial discrimination was a long, deep seated problem, particularly in the South.  The difference between discrimination and white supremacy is minor in my opinion except for the inference of militancy with the latter.  Discrimination cut to the bone, and it was not just political and economic.  It was cultural and social as well (schools, toilets, water, theaters, baseball stadiums, etc.).  What does that leave that would fall under the umbrella of white supremacy yet not be considered discrimination?

Gator I grew up in the deep South in the turbulent 60's-70's and was part of integration of the public school system. I lived on the wrong side of town with ample black neighbors. Fighting in those days was a way of life for me. I've seen racial discrimination in all it's ugly forms and experienced it to some degree. It and the previous 200 years was a very ugly period in our country's history. I don't deny that and nobody else on this thread and for the most part this forum has either. Racism on the white/black platform is a double edged sword. It goes both ways. I will call out a white racist and a black one as well. There was nothing in this thread or the other that dj blasted his venom that would warrant such an accusation and response from him other than is own insecurities and racist beliefs. IMO, it is the dj's of the world that doesn't permit equality just as much as his White Supremacy conspiracy.

While slavery ended in 1863 or 1865, near slavery continued well into the 20th century.

Agreed

Reparations?  DJ is wrong.  While reparations are warranted, they are unworkable if not impossible.  What would be the just award?  DJ probably would prefer to stay here rather than return to the homeland of his ancestors.  Affirmative Action has been the best compensation, particularly because it has reached the point of 'overcompensation.'

Again agree, except not near impossible but, completely impossible. The perpetrators and the victims long gone from this earth. The ones screaming reparations now are the Al Sharptons  of the world and of course those wanting something for nothing. Affirmative Action, continued welfare, Medicaid, Community Block development, and 100's of other social programs aimed and designed for the black populace is more than enough reparations for us later generations IMO. FWIW I have been the victim of reverse discrimination on more than one occasion, so yes, confronted with the rants of the dj's of the world does strike a nerve with me.

FSU racist?  In some ways yes.  However, the point  is whether RW are racist.  To be more exact, the point is whether so many RW are racist that a black man should not waste his time going there.  My  answer is no.  There are plenty of RW who would be open to learning the true substance and merit of DJ.

I sense you are sugar coating in an attempt to neutralize a potential blazing subject. Kudos but as you probably know by now I call them like I see them. FSU is the most racist society I personally have ever witnessed. America included. However, I have no doubt dj can be successful in his hunt for an FSUW. In my opinion his hunt will be longer and fraught with many land mines with his current mindset. I know several black men who have done well in Russia but they didn't carry that racism card on their chest. That is old school and quite frankly it's tired and doesn't work anymore, for me anyway.


 

[Shadow]

I sense you are sugar coating in an attempt to neutralize a potential blazing subject. Kudos but as you probably know by now I call them like I see them. FSU is the most racist society I personally have ever witnessed. America included.

Could you give examples of what you feel is racism ?

[Faux Pas]

Who's angry? I might be upset slightly... The problem with today the present is that most Americans want to distance themselves from what happen siting any recent progress has solve any deep seeded problems.

Obviously you are angry and apparently it pisses you off for someone to point out the fallacies in what you are banking on for your future. Get a clue. Quit blaming the white race for all your personal misgivings.

 

Faux you just one of many Americans in the minority that see things the way you do, its sad but your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There plenty of good stories, videos and reports that support anything I have to say, your welcome to ask for links.

Your attempt to vilify me is duly noted. I don't mind being the only one who may or may not think like I do. One would be hard pressed to find anyone of black persuasion to accuse me of racism or being a racist. There are plenty of videos, stories yadda, yadda, yadda to support anything you want to say. I find them as well. That doesn't make you right.

 

Gator is correct read Douglas Blackmon's book - Slavery By Another Name - http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/

 I will close in saying you only have to look at the present jail population and the failed "War On Drugs" as signal that racism and White Supremacy are not over by any stretch of the imagination.

Yet more conspiracy theory in another lame attempt to justify the unjustifiable. Look around dj, the problems of your race, this country and the entire world are not going to be solved or even massaged by your racist bile. It will change nothing. The members of this forum are not the white devil. We are assembled here with a common thread and I and most everyone here does indeed wish you the best of luck in your search. That thread has nothing to do with American slavery or Haiti of 1804
 

 
 






 

[Olga_Mouse]

Does not apply for me as I am a haole, but here is the question in case any of our Latin brothers are creeping around the site 

How do RW feel about about Latin men?

They are a fast growing segment of the US population and there are some very eligible candidates.

Are Spaniards considered being "Latin men" too? After all, most of "Latin American" speaks Spanish... or Portugese... 

In any case, if you know an available marriage-minded NON-SMOKING Spaniard between 37 and 47 - send him to me!

I'll refund you the shipping costs surely

[SMS60]

Are Spaniards considered being "Latin men" too? After all, most of "Latin American" speaks Spanish... or Portugese... 

In any case, if you know an available marriage-minded NON-SMOKING Spaniard between 37 and 47 - send him to me!

I'll refund you the shipping costs surely

I bet you fantasize about "The Spaniard" (Russell Crowe) in the movie Gladiator.

[Boethius]

More likely this Spaniard -

[Olga_Mouse]

I bet you fantasize about "The Spaniard" (Russell Crowe) in the movie Gladiator.

Well you've just lost your bet. How much that was, BTW?

Seriously, I'm not as young and naive to fantasize about movie stars. Especially from "Gladiator" which, if I remember correctly, scored the highest number of historical inaccuracies (St.Peter's dome being the most famous one).

Been to Spain 4 times, loved the country - climate, landscape, relaxed lifestyle, real property prices, culture, history, culinary... and most of all the fact they are aware & proud of their past, and do actually protect all spheres of their lives from americanisation.

[Olga_Mouse]

More likely this Spaniard -

I surely supported Spain during soccer world cup final - but if it wouldn't have been for the name of the graphic file you've posted, I would have never recognized one of the players.

[GQBlues]

Who's angry? I might be upset slightly... The problem with today the present is that most Americans want to distance themselves from what happen siting any recent progress has solve any deep seeded problems.

 Faux you just one of many Americans in the minority that see things the way you do, its sad but your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. There plenty of good stories, videos and reports that support anything I have to say, your welcome to ask for links.

 Gator is correct read Douglas Blackmon's book - Slavery By Another Name - http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/

 I will close in saying you only have to look at the present jail population and the failed "War On Drugs" as signal that racism and White Supremacy are not over by any stretch of the imagination.

Holy Molly! How'd I miss this conversion?

Par for the course though...even a discussion pertaining to RW and Latin men had to turn into an American discussion fitting for Al Sharpton and his ilks.

[acctBill]

Well you've just lost your bet. How much that was, BTW?

Seriously, I'm not as young and naive to fantasize about movie stars. Especially from "Gladiator" which, if I remember correctly, scored the highest number of historical inaccuracies (St.Peter's dome being the most famous one).

Been to Spain 4 times, loved the country - climate, landscape, relaxed lifestyle, real property prices, culture, history, culinary... and most of all the fact they are aware & proud of their past, and do actually protect all spheres of their lives from americanisation.

Olga I think you will find that Spain is very Americanised.  When my family lived in Europe Spain was one of our favourite vacation spots.  Spain has adapted quite well to American fast food having the 11th most McDonald's franchises in the world, 17th most Subways, as well as several dozen KFCs, plus all of the other American fast food restaurants that are found everywhere in Europe.  American music is very popular in Spain as well as American TV.  You will also find American branded clothing everywhere.  Granted the clothing is made in China or India it is still the popular brands such as Levi or Nike.   Then of course there are the ubiquitous American military bases Spain has 4 or 5 nothing like Germany but still a significant American military presence.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_mcd_res-food-mcdonalds-restaurants
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_sub_res-food-subway-resturants   
http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/spain/restaurants/KFC-ES.html
http://www.defense.gov/pubs/BSR_2007_Baseline.pdf page 96/221

[Vinnvinny]

In any case, if you know an available marriage-minded NON-SMOKING Spaniard between 37 and 47 - send him to me!

A non smoking Spaniard? You’ve no chance. That would be like looking for a Frenchman who wasn’t obnoxious. A mice idea, but ultimately futile.

[Olga_Mouse]

A non smoking Spaniard? You’ve no chance.

I've already had that chance twice, actually - though only for "test drives" 

That would be like looking for a Frenchman who wasn’t obnoxious.

Again, I know a few who are quite nice ["angel" smilie]. At least when they depend on my organis(z)ation and translation skills in Russian wilderness (where's the "chuckle" smilie?)

A mice idea, but ultimately futile.

Nope, mice ideas have a tendency to come true... sooner or later, one way or another [Max Frei].

[Gator]

I've already had that chance twice, actually - though only for "test drives" 

Does your use of the term test drive suggest this is less than an ideal arrangement (you prefer that he fly to your city)?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with RW meeting a foreign man in his country or at a resort provided that the two have had a lengthy, comprehensive and soul searching correspondence (including many, many phone conversations). 

Many men fear the RW will not show after buying her a ticket.  In contrast, I know one RW whose British date did not show after she purchased her own ticket to Turkey.

[Olga_Mouse]

Does your use of the term test drive suggest this is less than an ideal arrangement (you prefer that he fly to your city)?

No Gator, my use of the term test drive means that the men were not willing to continue - in first case after 4 days, in second case after 17 days.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with RW meeting a foreign man in his country or at a resort provided that the two have had a lengthy, comprehensive and soul searching correspondence (including many, many phone conversations). 

Personally, I see nothing wrong with RW meeting a foreign man in his country or at a resort - no matter how lenghty, comprehensive & soul searching correspondence they two had. Love at first sight happens too, after all 

Many men fear the RW will not show after buying her a ticket. 

And what reason are their fears based on, may I ask you - provided an RW has paid for everything (ticket, visa, hotel) herself?

[emanoel26]

I'm a latim man, from Brazil, and if girl don't like of my skin color, she lost a great guy, and not lost my time with her, so I'm the winner of this history. I not worried about it. I know my value in the market.