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Question for Maxx
« on: February 12, 2010, 10:24:35 PM »
When I was about to get married I first found this message board. Many members here were helpful in working out details to my travels for the wedding.

I remember seeing a thread from Maxx giving his story.
I will admit that thread created issues for me to read what Maxx wrote happened to him.

Reading Maxx's story would make any man think. I felt for Maxx. How could you not?
But I realized also that Maxx story almost made me miss out on the best thing to ever come into my life. Maxx story put a paranoia into me. It is one I am glad I let go of.

It even made me wonder at times are these forums really helpful in a relationship aspect. It is one thing to get advice about the process, issues with travel, visas etc... But should others read about the relationship aspects and get advice into this area?

While reading another thread tonight I saw the story of Olga C. I had never heard it before and what her husband Myke did to her. I was curious to see what happened to the Man and did some searching online.
My searches found another forum. A forum where the case was being discussed.
Maxx was also being discussed and was part of the discussion.

The part that bothered me about what I read was on this forum it was not just Maxx side of the story that I read previously. It gave some of his EX side of the matter. No where did Maxx challenge what was being said from the EX side nor did he ever claim it to be false but I was left more with the impression after reading it he wished to hide that side of the story.

For Maxx's memory it was a discussion between you and Bodine.

The reason I wanted to start this thread is because of the impact Maxx story had on me. The negative reaction it created into my life. I am sure it will do so to others as well. But I now question that story and I feel if Maxx is posting that story all over but not giving the full truth of the story it is not right to do.

I am not attacking you Maxx. But it appears that you were not completely honest with your EX about your life and situation before bring her to the US. I feel this because that is the other side of the story given you were challenged on and made no comments disputing it.
Since your story is on almost every message board and is having an impact on people that could effect their relationships I feel the truth should be given. The whole story and not the picture you wanted painted as the victim.
If what I read was true your story should not be on any message board. It should not effect others in their decisions if the version you have given is not the whole story.

I listened to your words before. I let them sink in even though I did not want them to. It effect my relationship. So I will admit that I am some what angry about what I read today and feel somewhat betrayed by your original story. I feel all RW should feel betrayed. I am just happy I did not hold onto it for any long term effects on my own relationship with my wife. Especially now.

I will not make any other comment to this. I hope Maxx will explain the other side and the discussion with Bodine. I feel all who have read his story and had doubts because of it deserves to know what is real.
If this is in error I apologize to Maxx. However at the moment I do not because he did not dispute it before.
I hope the truth is brought forward. I hope you will give the full story.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 06:15:04 AM »
What is this "other" side that you're talking about?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 08:04:32 AM by Doll »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 08:01:10 AM »

I will not make any other comment to this. I hope Maxx will explain the other side and the discussion with Bodine. I feel all who have read his story and had doubts because of it deserves to know what is real.

If this is in error I apologize to Maxx. However at the moment I do not because he did not dispute it before.
I hope the truth is brought forward. I hope you will give the full story.


Back when you read my go around with Bodine a lot was said that I regret to have said to him. Perhaps he feels the same way. As things have cooled off between us we have patched up our quarrel. I know I have publically complimented him since then for being a good husband and that he has kept himself in shape for himself and for his wife.  He's a good example of what a good husband should be. We have exchanged a number of friendly PMs since then. I just sent one out to him a day ago. I genuinely like this man. Good guy.

In regard to some of the things said and my giving the whole story. I have not made my whole story known for two reasons.

First reason was that I didn't want men who could learn lessons from my tragedy to dismiss it. I didn't want men to say "I would never do that" or "Those aren't my circumstances".

The second reason is with giving the details of my life there is the temptation by some knowingly or unknowingly to sum me up into a quick sound bite. Maybe make a joke about me or make me into a joke. So I have not given up as much detail on my life for that reason. I didn't want to become a stereotype that could be easily dismissed. The first and second reasons are essentially the same now that I think about it.

A friend of mine Howard, who is married to a Russian women said to me, "Why put yourself up on the operating table to be dissected?!"

Well Raven9273 I'll hop up on the table and give the details of my life for the last time.

I started the business I am at today, 20 years ago. It has earned me a good income over the years. In the mid nineties my ex-wife and I built a house on 1.89 acres of lakeshore property. We lived there with our two daughters.

About that time I had a "crisis of conscience"
http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/publications/crisis-of-conscience-the-book-that-opened-the-window-on-the-watchtower-society.html
After I left the Witnesses I was disfellowshipped by them for being an apostate. This put me at odds with my family and with my ex-wife
who wanted to stay with the Jehovah's Witnesses. The marriage fell apart. The rest of my family was divided about how to treat me. Some
of them like my brother and sister who were never Jehovah's Witnesses would associate with me. The rest would not speak with me. The
exception is my mother. She and I see each other often. She does feel a bit of conscience in doing so and has said to me "I will have to
answer to Jehovah for this". Again my fault as she and the Witnesses see it is that I no longer accept the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.
My father by the way passed away a few years before I was shunned by the "one true religion". Can anyone relate to this?

The divorce was long and expensive. It lasted almost 2 years. The settlement was that I was to pay child support for my daughter in high
school until she graduated, $1,636 a month. And $2200 a month in spousal support, for life. That is $3,836 a month total. In addition I was
to pay off all of my ex-wife's debts, lawyer costs and divide the lake home's equity after the sale after my daughter graduated from high school.

I had gotten behind in my taxes from this. Didn't make the quarterly estimates but the IRS didn't mind as I would send them a lump sum for
the whole year. Usually around $30K . I think I was called a tax cheat by someone on the boards but believe me I wrote those big checks.

Anyway on a trip to visit my sister I heard on talk radio about what great wives Russian women make. I was intrigued by this and did
a word search "Russian Women Marriage" when I got back to the office. This it lead me to an Angelika website. I fell for one picture of
a Russian woman age 39. I was 47. I started writing her. I visited her twice but to be frank she had severe mental issues. Reality to her
was what she imagined.

I decided to try again. This led me to my future ex-wife. I went to visit her. It was a WOVO all the way. I was much too monogamous to
consider writing to multiple women. I felt strongly about hurting their feelings if I did.

I am probably the only guy on these forums who has been proposed to by a Russian man. The agency owner Alex suggested at the airport
that I could marry Elena (nickname by me, Elvira) and do a direct consular filing at the American Embassy. All I had to do was get married
there. Elena gave me a big smile and said "I like!" A couple visits later we got married at ZAGs. About that time the US Moscow embassy did
away with direct consular filings.

Over the next year while the K-3 and K-4 visas (she had a son) were processing I visited her 3 more times. I must have spent about 3 months living in Russia.
I spent a lot of time explaining to Elena what life was like in America. I also explained in detail about my life financial and otherwise. I showed
her photos of the home I jointly owned with my ex-wife. I explained how it was going to be sold the next year. And how the equity I was going to
get was going to go to purchase a new home that we could choose together. She was an economist so she grasped the numbers easily.

During that time of the visa wait I was living at my office. I have about 250 square feet of office space, two rooms and I work alone so why waste money on renting an apartment? I used the money saved to purchase furniture, appliances etc for when Elena arrived. I had room in the back in the warehouse where I
stored the stuff. I was really looking forward to having family again that I could go home to after work. But in the meantime prepare.

The embassy interview finally came. The woman CO was impressed that I visited my wife 6 times. My wife turned in my tax returns plus the affidavit of support. It showed I had an income of about $110K minus the spousal support of $26K. Living in Minneapolis, Minnesota is rather low cost compared to California or New York.

When she arrived March 15th, 2003 she stayed the night in a Super 8 Motel. The next day after getting a good rest. I showed her some apartments we could rent. The one she liked had two bedrooms, two baths, a walk in closet and a living room with vaulted ceilings. What stunned her about the place was that it had an indoor pool and sauna down the hall and down a flight of steps. There were outdoor pools also but this was March in Minnesota.

She had been acting strange from the time she stepped off the plane. I felt she had been influenced by someone in Russia right before she left. Her being a GCG crossed my mind but it was too horrible to think about. So what I did was get everything she wanted. I was hoping she only felt insecure and that I could alleviate that getting her what she wanted. What was on her mind was to get all the documentation for her legal immigration. So I took her to the BCIS (As the USCIS was then called) and did all her AOS. We did her son's documents a few days later. Both of them got their work authorisation cards then. With that we were able to get her and her son their social security cards. So she had her I-130 relative petition filed and gotten her work authorisation card within a few weeks of her arrival. She got her SS card on May 13th (2 months after her arrival) and with that she was able to get her learners permit to drive that very same day. She had already taken the written test and had passed. She really hit the ground running getting all her documents so fast.

I hope that answers your questions.

I am editing additional information below now that I have had time to think over what I wrote above.


I had no business going to the FSU looking for a wife. The reasons were that I little experience with women. I had only one all those 27 years of marriage, my first ex-wife. I had a strong "wife need" when my marriage ended. My thinking at the time was not about determining whether a woman was sincere or not but rather to show her what a good husband I could be. At the same time I was in internal anxiety as I still was paying child support of $1636 a month (that ended a few months after she arrived) that should go to my new family and I wasn't in position to purchase a house. My name was still on the title of the home I jointly owned with my first wife. I was unable to get the equity out until after she sold the house. That was supposed to be in June of 2003 when my daughter graduated which was a few months after my Russian wife arrived. My American ex-wife did not want me to move on with my life especially with another women. This is why the divorce lasted for two years and why my finances through the house were tied up with her until the house sold. Actually my American ex-wife stalled the house selling for two years from the time it was supposed to be sold. Now if I had one of those "stand by your man" Septembrist Russian wives like OlgaH or Doll  :) it would have been easy. But I had a wife who had different plans from my own and they didn't include me. All this had me pretty shooken up. Afterwards I was always looking at what I did wrong. I voiced this subtly to a few people. I had come to the conclusion that few people reading what I wrote or if I posted the details would understand my situation. So I stayed silent on this.



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« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 02:35:43 PM by Maxx2 »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 08:17:46 AM »
Is it the "whole story" Raven was asking for?
That part looks like "happily ever after"  :D

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 08:19:07 AM »
For the record, I've always thought Maxx was one of the good guys. I've known of his story for years and I always felt bad for the guy. I've spoken to him on the phone on more than one occasion and he's always been helpful to those who were going through the same ordeal. This board is lucky to have him here posting.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 08:21:34 AM »
Greg, dear, you are also "warned"! Poor thing! Did you bite Amer?  :D

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 08:27:27 AM »
I do agree with Raven- Maxx's "drama" endless stories do and will affect any relationships.
 Don't read them or read and "divide 27".  8)

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 08:28:11 AM »
Greg, dear, you are also "warned"! Poor thing! Did you bite Amer?  :D

No dear. The Admin got me mistaken for someone else.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2010, 08:30:15 AM »
No dear. The Admin got me mistaken for someone else.
Ah, ok. I thought it was because you were swearing at me yesterday in chat.  :D :D

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 08:31:37 AM »
I'm going to ignore Doll and see how it goes. LOL

Thanks Greg. I think some of my Witness upbringing has motivated me to help the guys. Funny thing is I seemed to be helping more American women with wayward immigrant husbands than American men. I must have spent 15 hours on the phone this last week talking to them.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2010, 08:37:15 AM »
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I'm going to ignore Doll and see how it goes.
I am not!  :D
Can you ignore the topic starter? Actually I just agreed with him.
See? You hate women- Raven posted half a mile and you were ok with it, I just agreed- you are bubbling  :D :D :D :D
See?
Seriously, guys, there are cigarettes for sale everywhere, it doesn't mean you need to smoke. :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 08:49:28 AM »
I forgot to add what was the other reason why I didn't get into the details. It took me a year or so to be in the right frame of mind to dredge up all the horrible past and write about it. By then it was considered old news.  I was told repeatedly to get over it, to move on. The Russian women here and elsewhere would post a lot of sarcastic and cutting things things if I mentioned it. Now I am being told my story is a negative influence. That I should not have it posted. But at the same time I am asked for details. Can't win.



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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 08:56:03 AM »
Maxx, you know your not going to win with the Russian women here. They are going to stick with someone they have never met. Even though they would probably hate each other if they were in the same room together. As far as your story effecting some guys, well I just don't get it. If there is doubt there I dont think it's because of our Maxx.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2010, 08:56:17 AM »
They ask for details because they know that your advises can be applied to just very rare situations. You tell them to suspect ALL the RW in their GC or DV intentions. You don't mean "ALL" but your stories sound so.
The latest case was with Wayne- go NOW and get the restricting order, change the lock and cr-p like this. Poor guy did all this - wasted his time.

"Ditch the b-tch" works with the b-tches only. :D
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 08:58:02 AM by Doll »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2010, 08:59:38 AM »
I think some of my Witness upbringing has motivated me to help the guys. Funny thing is I seemed to be helping more American women with wayward immigrant husbands than American men. I must have spent 15 hours on the phone this last week talking to them.

I have kindly advised a number of Russian women also including Doll. When she was having problems early in her marriage I sent her a letter urging her to stand up for herself. I mentioned this before on another forum but she had Sunny edit my post. Didn't Orwell write "He who controls the present, controls the past"?

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2010, 08:59:46 AM »
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Maxx, you know your not going to win with the Russian women here. They are going to stick with someone they have never met. Even though they would probably hate each other if they were in the same room together.
Amer, here is your twin here  :D :D :D :D

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2010, 09:05:43 AM »
Yes, I did have problems and maxx did send the letter.
I also got a couple of legal (really legal) advises from the forum members.
These two are the attorneys.
Yet I solved the problem in my own way.
Anyway, thank you , maxx, again.
Honestly, I don't remember what you recommended me, but it is ok. :D
I also didn't listen to the other guys on the board who told me to sweep the account, call the police and stuff.
 And I am where I am now- facing my 8th anniversary.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 09:07:37 AM by Doll »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2010, 09:17:27 AM »
Yes, I did have problems and maxx did send the letter.
I also got a couple of legal (really legal) advises from the forum members.
These two are the attorneys.
Yet I solved the problem in my own way.
Anyway, thank you , maxx, again.
Honestly, I don't remember what you recommended me, but it is ok. :D
I also didn't listen to the other guys on the board who told me to sweep the account, call the police and stuff.
 And I am where I am now- facing my 8th anniversary.

I am really glad for you. Like with Bodine I would like to get along with you. Oftentimes the people we quarrel with the most on these boards are the ones we would really like in person.

I don't remember the details of the letter. No sense in reliving those days.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2010, 10:01:51 AM »
Maxx just strikes me as the kind of guy that would be quick to help out a women in distress just as quick as he would some guy.

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2010, 10:53:56 AM »
see, maxx?  Your ignoring me did not  last long :D
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 11:00:22 AM by Doll »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2010, 12:11:13 PM »
see, maxx?  Your ignoring me did not  last long :D

You are REALLY hard to ignore especially when you are nice.  ;)

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2010, 12:20:43 PM »
 :blowkiss:

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2010, 01:37:35 PM »
:blowkiss:


 :blowkiss: back.

I added some additional wrap up info on my first post that should be read. It's in red.


Maxx

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2010, 02:34:51 PM »
Maxx2,

As I already said you have my heartfelt sympathies. Everything that happens in our life bad or good is like a test we go through getting to know ourselves and people around us. We all make mistakes due to different factors ... sometimes being deeply vexed and disappointed we do and say the things we sorry about later and would like to handle it in different way, we use a poor judgment but on the other hand let one's heart have the final say  :)

Your story that you share with us is not less important than the happy stories. It is up to the people how they will take it. Will they dig for more dirt, doubt your sincerity and even sanity for what ever their own reason including "cherishing" one's ego and arrogance...  or become paranoid... or some people will learn something from your situation and it will help them to avoid mistakes in the future.  :)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2010, 02:50:29 PM by OlgaH »

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Re: Question for Maxx
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2010, 02:59:17 PM »

Thanks Olga. For the record I have always kept you in mind on what kind of Russian or Ukrainian woman I would like to be married to. When I talked on the phone to Robert he showed himself to be head over heels crazy about you. Also I remember my phone conversation with Robert's first wife and she had some very positive things to say about you.



 

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