Credit Card Attempted fraud ??

[Rêveur]

Hi everyone

Has that already happened to someone here : ?
I've discussed with a girl (apparently) from Kiev. When tracking some of her last mail, it comes from Dnepropetrovsk in fact (The first coming from Kiev in fact).
She' s asked me for my birthday date, because she' s fond of numerology (?!?). She's already got my full name (a fake of course, who would be so dumb?).
Could (they) do a fake credit card and a fraud only with birthday date and full name ?

[groovlstk]

She's already got my full name (a fake of course, who would be so dumb?).
Could (they) do a fake credit card and a fraud only with birthday date and full name ?

You're corresponding with a woman you potentially see as someone you might share a serious relationship with, and you're too chicken to even tell her your real name? 

This is paranoia taken to a silly level.

[kievstar]

If she does not have your credit card # how is she going to use it just with your name and birth date?

A little advice.  You live in France it is less than 3 hour flight to Kiev.  Quit letter writing jump on a plane and go this weekend.  If you can not afford to do that, stop seeing women in Kiev.  They will expect you to come 1-2 times a month since France is so close to Ukraine. If you can not visit this much, focus on women outside of Kiev.

[SANDRO43]

She' s asked me for my birthday date, because she' s fond of numerology (?!?).

Numerology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology) is a type of divination - practiced in many cultures, e.g. the Hebrew Kabbalah - that assigns esoteric meanings to numbers.

My birthdate (02-02-1943) would yield 3 (communication/interaction in some systems):

2+2+1+9+4+3=21...2+1=3

Numbers can be assigned to letters as well, as in the Hebrew Gematria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria). Birthdate+name are supposed to provide a reading of a person's psychology and destiny.

Is this girl into the occult ?

[SANDRO43]

If she does not have your credit card # how is she going to use it just with your name and birth date?

She may want to check if Rêveur is on some scammers' list .

[Rêveur]

You're corresponding with a woman you potentially see as someone you might share a serious relationship with, and you're too chicken to even tell her your real name?  

This is paranoia taken to a silly level.

It's not that I didn't give her my real identity (she didn't asked me my last name indeed), only that my email, when received, display a fake last name.

I don't know about Credit card fraud, just asking! Maybe not (hence the "??"), but since she/they have shown apparent sign of scammers, I was wondering about the use of this information (with this very bad pretext of numerology), that's all.

Good advice. But I don' t live in Paris. You can (at least) triple the time to go there so.

I've got a 3 too with my date of birth
 

[Faux Pas]

It's not that I didn't give her my real identity (she didn't asked me my last name indeed), only that my email, when received, display a fake last name.

I don't know about Credit card fraud, just asking! Maybe not (hence the "??"), but since she/they have shown apparent sign of scammers, I was wondering about the use of this information (with this very bad pretext of numerology), that's all.
Good advice. But I don' t live in Paris. You can (at least) triple the time to go there so.
I've got a 3 too with my date of birth
 

Certainly an extreme level of paranoia. If she/they are displaying scammer qualities, why not just cease communication and move on to a sincere lady? Of course she could be sincere and thinking you a scammer on the fact of you giving her fake names. I'd suggest moving on with a clean slate. Contact a sincere lady and try some honesty from your end. FWIW

[Gator]

Reveur,

You disclosed that you are a "3" and lurkers can extrapolate from that and hack into your pension. :hairraising:

The only "3" I see is in:

         (paranoia)³

I am being silly, of course.  What you described in your opening post is called "identity theft" in America.  For example, your restaurant waiter may illegally record your name and numbers from your credit card and sell the info to someone who makes fake copies.  I do not know the Identity Theft laws in France, and perhaps you have more right to feel concerned. 

Let's ignore the "credit card scam.  What are your other concerns about dating and marrying RW?

[Rêveur]

Reveur,

You disclosed that you are a "3" and lurkers can extrapolate from that and hack into your pension. :hairraising:

The only "3" I see is in:

         (paranoia)³

Don't forget that she's still a scam  (Girl supposedly from Kiev when mails tracing her back to Dnepropretovsk)

I am being silly, of course.  What you described in your opening post is called "identity theft" in America.  For example, your restaurant waiter may illegally record your name and numbers from your credit card and sell the info to someone who makes fake copies.  I do not know the Identity Theft laws in France, and perhaps you have more right to feel concerned. 

It may be a crime here too

Let's ignore the "credit card scam.  What are your other concerns about dating and marrying RW?

Nothing exactly concern me about RW. Except the big amount of scammers  ... But it makes the price more deserved at the end maybe...

[Shadow]

Reveur, as expert in IP let me tell you that it actually tells nothing.
If you know a little bit about internet technology, then you know that the IP location is based on the location of the connecting server from your provider, not the location of your computer.
At this moment I see myself in Antwerp, yet I live a 50km away. At other times I am located in Louvain or Bruelles, where as I did not move my location.
For her different location of IP there are three possibilities.
1. She is indeed a scammer (this should be confirmed by other signs like not answering your questions ad falling in love by letter nr 4)
2. Her ISP has the main servers in Dnepropetrovsk
3. she is writing from work, and the office has a connection through a headquaters.

For situation 2 I know of a case where a woman in Siberia has an IP from Moscow. She was verified to be genuine.
For situation 2 I have personal experience of a woman from Lviv having an IP from Germany. Her company was a subsidiary of Opel.

[SANDRO43]

Rêveur, there's a little tool (ScamCard in the Scam Avoidance section, menu at left) that you might have a look at for hints on scammer behaviour - click on the icons for Help & Tips .

[Rêveur]

Ah? Okay. I didn't know that

Maybe she's real so


But I couldn't date with someone who thinks that her life is determined by the addition of figures in her date of birth  (or by position of pieces of rock millions of Km far from the Earth by the way...)

[Shadow]

Ah? Okay. I didn't know that

Maybe she's real so


But I couldn't date with someone who thinks that her life is determined by the addition of figures in her date of birth  (or by position of pieces of rock millions of Km far from the Earth by the way...)

Why not, a real dreamer would not be put off by some magic.
There is a lot of magic in this world, and all you need to do is to know how to use it. 

[RussianWind]

Could (they) do a fake credit card and a fraud only with birthday date and full name ?

Oh yes. She will also need to know your gender. Don't tell her under no circumstances  

[Daveman]

...scammers, I was wondering about the use of this information (with this very bad pretext of numerology), that's all.

 

Okay, just so you know... the "pretext of numerology" might not be such a pretext at all.  You'd be surprised what some of the ladies believe.  Just like we have our paranormal/superstitious/astrologistic/evenToThePointOfWacko brigade here in the U.S., they have their their superstitions and beliefs as well.  Some of those are really "out there"... numerology is rather mild in comparison.

[Rêveur]

Oh yes. She will also need to know your gender 

For that, I prefer to testify to her only in privacy 

[Shadow]

For that, I prefer to testify to her only in privacy 

Be careful she gets the numbers and alignment of planets right or it may be changed afterwards. 

[Rêveur]

Be careful she gets the numbers and alignment of planets right or it may be changed afterwards.  

In fact I think that she's already decided for both of us about the future of this relation: since I've got no mails anymore for 4 days

Maybe some problem of conjunction between Uranus and her Moon ?
Or even the addition of the letters in my (fake) name and hers gives the Number of the Beast, who knows

[Daveman]

In fact I think that she's already decided for both of us about the future of this relation: since I've got no mails anymore for 4 days

Maybe some problem of conjunction between Uranus and her Moon ?
Or even the addition of the letters in my (fake) name and hers gives the Number of the Beast, who knows

Why exactly did you give a fake name? What would you have done if she turned out to be legit and you fell for her? How would you get out of lying about your name?  

If you really are afraid that every woman could be a scammer and you are going to give fake names until they prove themselves to you.. you are in for a very rough ride.

Tell her that you're not ready to give out more personal information... she'll think you're probably a nut, but at least an honest one... but a lie will come back to bite you on the ass in one way or another.

[JR]

paranoia will destroy ya

[Rêveur]

Why exactly did you give a fake name? What would you have done if she turned out to be legit and you fell for her? How would you get out of lying about your name?  

If you really are afraid that every woman could be a scammer and you are going to give fake names until they prove themselves to you.. you are in for a very rough ride.

Tell her that you're not ready to give out more personal information... she'll think you're probably a nut, but at least an honest one... but a lie will come back to bite you on the ass in one way or another.

As written above, I didn't *give* her a fake name
It's only that when registering on Gmail/Hotmail/Yahoo etc..., I never gave right info as a rule. So, a name appears attached to my mail, but it's not mine (First name right, though). Am I the only one to do that ?  ??? 

*IF* she wants to know my last name, I will give her of course (but I can't really imagine in which situation it could happen )

[ECOCKS]

As written above, I didn't *give* her a fake name
It's only that when registering on Gmail/Hotmail/Yahoo etc..., I never gave right info as a rule. So, a name appears attached to my mail, but it's not mine (First name right, though). Am I the only one to do that ?  ??? 

*IF* she wants to know my last name, I will give her of course (but I can't really imagine in which situation it could happen )

Sorry, you're pursuing a serious relationship in search of a spouse and you "can't really imagine" a situation where the girl would want to know your last name?

[Rêveur]

Okay, I exaggerated a little... I mean, if she doesn't ask, I don't tell her. So no lie here, nobody's hurt

[Rêveur]

paranoia will destroy ya

It's sorcellery! If she knows my real name and face, I could be destroyed indeed...

(cultural references here...)

[Aloe]

I feel very sorry for all women you are or will be in contact with in the nearest future. Its people like you who ruin the ideas and dreams, and hurt the women