Prostitute at Elenas models

[gavriil]

I got the following letter from a woman at Elenas models, profile nr 11272, she is a prostitute. And she was on the "Featured listing"!


 

ID: 11272
Name: Lana
Address: Russia
191119
St. Petersburg

Lana
Email:
Url: http://elenasmodels.com/page.psp?.cod=11272
 

Dear x,
Thanks a lot for your letter and your interest to me.
I provide escort services in St.Petersburg,Moscow and also in Europe,South
America and some other parts of the world.I am a young Independent Escort
Lady,very friendly, cheerful, vivacious, and easy going! I will be glad to
be your special Date for any occasion.Whatever the occasion or date is,
formal, casual, business or just fun, refined or easy going. I speak English
fluently and have higher education.My behaviour is fresh,well-mannered;
working as an travel agent ,i regard the additional income as a simple
convinience and love erotic adventures.
Forget your everyday life, receiving nice and sensual massage and much
more....
I dress in an elegant way,my wadrobe extends from the classic to the
fashionable,from the chic to the smoulderingly seductive.
If you are looking for something a little different, some adventure and
eroticism to help you to forget your everyday cares and stress then,here I
am. Take the first step to what will be a lovely and uncomplicated time
together!
Any questions or special requests are acceptable to be under
consideration.Wishing you to have wonderful time.
Lana

[Admin]

I got the following letter from a woman at Elenas models, profile nr 11272, she is a prostitute. And she was on the "Featured listing"!

How do you *know* she is a prostitute?

- Dan

[gavriil]

I got the following letter from a woman at Elenas models, profile nr 11272, she is a prostitute. And she was on the "Featured listing"!

How do you *know* she is a prostitute?

- Dan[/quote]
Escort girl = prostitute, whore. She offers sexual services for $. What's there to doubt?

e-mail is authentic and came in reply to my request for contact.

Strange thing that Elena's models don't check who they put on their "Featured" list, or maybe that is the list of devkas?

[Admin]

Escort girl = prostitute, whore. She offers sexual services for $. What's there to doubt?

e-mail is authentic and came in reply to my request for contact.

Strange thing that Elena's models don't check who they put on their "Featured" list, or maybe that is the listof devkas?

OK, I see the reference in her letter to "Escort services..."

- Dan

[BC]

and??

[Aleksia]

I do not know anything about this girl, but the message from the person who published her here, sounds a bit strange. First of all, if you just contacted her, and if she is really in escort business, as you claim, it is strange that she gave you her post address. Such girls do not give their post addresses. They would provide mobile phone.

[BC]

Aleksia is probably correct..

Even if this email did originate from the lady in the picture she would not be a scammer..  I wonder why the poster decided to divulge this information here instead of addressing this issue directly with Elena's models..

[Aleksia]

Maybe I am mistaken and in this case I want to give my apologies to Gavriil, but…..

If a man thinks a woman might be a scammer or escort, etc. he addresses his letter to the agency. Ask explanations, etc.

I know because we have been dealing with such situations, which is normal; it's impossible to be totally sure that all the women are seriously looking for future husbands and not something else.

When a man wants to cause troubles to a particular woman, by some personal reasons, he usually writes such letters to similar forums, blacklists, etc.

To check IP address of the letter will not help as well, as judging from a name "Gavriil" he can be Russian and can also live in St. Petersburg, Russia.

 

[Bruno]

as judging from a name "Gavriil" he can be Russian

Right, Gavriil ( Гавриил ) is the russian form of "Gabriel"

So, i am very curious about the living of the guy... i don't think that he live in America...

 

[Leslie]

Aleksia is absolutly correct on this -

"Such girls do not give their post addresses. They would provide mobile phone."

A Prostitutka would NEVER give out their home address. 

I think we should notify Elena Garret of the existance this thread.

Dan please can you edit out the personal details of this woman? 

I think it is wrong to allow them to remain posted on a public forum until we have independant confirmation.  Damning a woman on a public forum is a common vindictive practice on many of the putrid scam listing sites. 

RWD has higher standards !

 

 

 


 

[Admin]

Aleksia is absolutly correct on this -

"Such girls do not give their post addresses. They would provide mobile phone."

A Prostitutka would NEVER give out their home address. 

I think we should notify Elena Garret of the existance this thread.

Dan please can you edit out the personal details of this woman? 

I think it is wrong to allow them to remain posted on a public forum until we have independant confirmation.  Damning a woman on a public forum is a common vindictive practice on many of the putrid scam listing sites. 

RWD has higher standards !

Good point. I had missed that earlier. The address is edited out.

As a point of reference for the future, I do not read every post on the board - so if/when you see something offensive, please send a PM to me or to the Moderator.

Thanks,

- Dan

[Ste]

Aleksia is absolutly correct on this -

"Such girls do not give their post addresses. They would provide mobile phone."

A Prostitutka would NEVER give out their home address.�

I think we should notify Elena Garret of the existance this thread.

Dan please can you�edit out�the personal details of this woman?�

I think it is wrong to allow them to remain posted on a public forum until we have independant confirmation.� Damning a woman on a public forum is a common vindictive practice on many of the putrid scam listing sites.�

RWD has higher standards !

Good point. I had missed that earlier. The address is edited out.

As a point of reference for the future, I do not read every post on the board - so if/when you see something offensive, please send a PM to me or to the Moderator.

Thanks,

- Dan[/quote]

U left the post code in tho Dan, dunno how pinpoint Russian ones are but I reckon down to a street.....

I just checked her profile in the interests of RWD of course and she's interested in guys uptp 54 (I'm much too young for her!) and 'no one for usa' - perhaps our friend is from usa and therefore disqualified.

She's a bit too chunky for me tho!

Ste

[gavriil]

and??

Several reasons:

Elenas models is supposed to be a 'clean' business. Prostitutes shouldn't use it as a platform for marketing.

Another reason is that I paid dollars for her address, but I'm interested in marriage, family, children, not prostitutes.

[gavriil]

I do not know anything about this girl, but the message from the person who published her here, sounds a bit strange. First of all, if you just contacted her, and if she is really in escort business, as you claim, it is strange that she gave you her post address. Such girls do not give their post addresses. They would provide mobile phone.

Aha, so now I am to blame???

I bought her address directly from Elenas, I write her a nice letter about myself, and then I get her offer for sex. Don't you see that she just uses ELENAS MODELS for marketing of her little business? Quite busy girl by the way, all over the world! Maybe she represents a whole company of sluts, a prostitution ring, who knows?

[gavriil]

Maybe I am mistaken and in this case I want to give my apologies to Gavriil, but…..

If a man thinks a woman might be a scammer or escort, etc. he addresses his letter to the agency. Ask explanations, etc.

I know because we have been dealing with such situations, which is normal; it's impossible to be totally sure that all the women are seriously looking for future husbands and not something else.

When a man wants to cause troubles to a particular woman, by some personal reasons, he usually writes such letters to similar forums, blacklists, etc.

To check IP address of the letter will not help as well, as judging from a name "Gavriil" he can be Russian and can also live in St. Petersburg, Russia.

 

Aleksia, you can rest assured that I'm addressing this directly with Elenas models.

Why do you need to speculate about who I am, where I live etc?

I'm a Swedish guy and I live in Sweden.

[Admin]

Aha, so now I am to blame???

I bought her address directly from Elenas, I write her a nice letter about herself, and then I get her offer for sex. Don't you see that she just uses ELENAS MODELS for marketing of her little business?

No, you are not to blame. You did exactly the right thing to alert others to the possibility of a scam.

Owing to the fact that we are not a court of justice here - others are, quite correctly, concerned that we do not label someone without sufficient proof.

In other words, except for the specific address information - there was no problem at all with what you did.

- Dan

[Aleksia]

Gavriil, as I already mentioned, I apologies if I am wrong. But believe me, I have seen a lot of cases, where men wanted to pay back for some reasons and published girls like this on the forums, etc.

As any agency, Elena's probably is not free of scammers. You can not check manually each woman. IF a woman wants to lie, she will tell to the agency, that she is seriously looking for a husband, but will write different things personally to a man. How to fight such things?

If Elena has an honest business, she will check this information, will delete this girl from her agency and will offer you a free address instead of hers.  

[gavriil]

Gavriil, as I already mentioned, I apologies if I am wrong. But believe me, I have seen a lot of cases, where men wanted to pay back for some reasons and published girls like this on the forums, etc.

As any agency, Elena's probably is not free of scammers. You can not check manually each woman. IF a woman wants to lie, she will tell to the agency, that she is seriously looking for a husband, but will write different things personally to a man. How to fight such things?

If Elena has an honest business, she will check this information, will delete this girl from her agency and will offer you a free address instead of hers.  

I understand very well that most of the dating business is actually infected with scammers of various degrees. A lot of girls get some little additional affluence from meeting foreign men in the midst of a very harsh reality. It's hard to blame them.

But outright prostitution is a completely different matter. This offer of sex for $ came as a first reply to my kind, introductory note. I was pretty shocked.

Elenas models are supposed to be the industry leader in terms of having clean operations and high thresholds. They should be able to check that not such girls are put up as the "Feature listings". And this woman was at their site for maybe 2 years, as far as I can tell from her very low reg. nr.

Yes, let's see if Elenas models will take this 'lady' off the air. I'll keep you updated on the further developments, folks!

[gavriil]

I just checked her profile in the interests of RWD of course and she's interested in guys uptp 54 (I'm much too young for her!) and 'no one for usa' - perhaps our friend is from usa and therefore disqualified.

She's a bit too chunky for me tho!

Ste

Supposedly she can't get a visa to the USA, thus unable to serve clients there.

[BC]

gavriil,

I suspect an answer from Elena would come after the holidays so don't hold your breath yet..

I still question your efforts though.  A scam is based on deception and there seems to be none here that I can see.  I'm sure Elena would be interested in the matter but blasting around in forums at this point without her response is quite silly imho.  If anyone is possibly being deceived here it's Elena or did I miss something?

Their site does state:

[color="red"]ATTENTION! Our records indicate that the email address in this profile may have bounces. The system messages we send to this user are temporarily or permanently rejected by the user's server. If you are the owner of this profile, you may want to add another email address in case the main address isn't working.[/color]

..possibly indicating something is not quite right..  I'm sure if a site owner is promoting such services they would ensure emails would get to the right destination or?

[Albert]

[user=661]gavriil[/user], you keep saying: "She offers sexual services for $. What's there to doubt?"

However, I don't see any mention in her reply to you about either money or sex.

I understand you are reading between the lines but, just to be fair, it doesn't seem right to state your assumptions so boldly as if you are quoting something she actually said.

[gavriil]

gavriil,

I suspect an answer from Elena would come after the holidays so don't hold your breath yet..

I still question your efforts though.  A scam is based on deception and there seems to be none here that I can see.  I'm sure Elena would be interested in the matter but blasting around in forums at this point without her response is quite silly imho.  If anyone is possibly being deceived here it's Elena or did I miss something?

Their site does state:

ATTENTION! Our records indicate that the email address in this profile may have bounces. The system messages we send to this user are temporarily or permanently rejected by the user's server. If you are the owner of this profile, you may want to add another email address in case the main address isn't working.

..possibly indicating something is not quite right..  I'm sure if a site owner is promoting such services they would ensure emails would get to the right destination or?

"A scam is based on deception and there seems to be none here that I can see. "

AHA, so you meen it's not deception by a 'lady' to offer prostituion services to a guy who wants only serious relationship, and writes a nice letter to her in that spirit, telling her that he got her address from Elenas? You mustn't forget that I am a CLIENT of Elenas models, I PAID for a service, and in this way I'm definitely decieved in relation to what service I was buying into.

Reg. the e-mail bounce: On the other hand, Lana has "been active within the last 48 hours", meaning she has been on Elena's site. Apparently her e-mail IS working, since the mail I got is from ONE of the two e-mails given in her koordinaty, possibly the red note above is for another address. Who knows. I can just say that all I say is 100% authentic as far as I see from my mailbox.

Elena's models surely can take some of such! They shout very loudly about being industry leaders, their outstanding morals, etc, etc, but in reality they are just buying addresses from agents all over the FSU like so many other agencies. Elena is surely a skilful entrepreneur, she has been very lucky to get a lot of hype in media, but in reality her operations are none better than other, mostly virtual agencies.

I just wanted to report a very clear case of scam.

[gavriil]

[user=661]gavriil[/user], you keep saying: "She offers sexual services for $. What's there to doubt?"

However, I don't see any mention in her reply to you about either money or sex.

I understand you are reading between the lines but, just to be fair, it doesn't seem right to state your assumptions so boldly as if you are quoting something she actually said.

albert, have you ever been to a night-club in Russia? I guess not...

Here are some quotes from Lana's letter:

"I provide escort services in St.Petersburg,Moscow and also in Europe,South America and some other parts of the world."

To provide escort service, do you know that this just a nicer word for prostitution? Prostitutes charge money, albert.

"...i regard the additional income as a simple
convinience and love erotic adventures."

the "additional income", surely it's not supposed to be 'gifts' from the man, eh?

[BC]

"A scam is based on deception and there seems to be none here that I can see. "

AHA, so you meen it's not deception by a 'lady' to offer prostituion services to a guy who wants only serious relationship, and writes a nice letter to her in that spirit, telling her that he got her address from Elenas? You mustn't forget that I am a CLIENT of Elenas models, I PAID for a service, and in this way I'm definitely decieved in relation to what service I was buying into.

Reg. the e-mail bounce: On the other hand, Lana has "been active within the last 48 hours", meaning she has been on Elena's site. Apparently her e-mail IS working, since the mail I got is from ONE of the two e-mails given in her koordinaty, possibly the red note above is for another address. Who knows. I can just say that all I say is 100% authentic as far as I see from my mailbox.

Elena's models surely can take some of such! They shout very loudly about being industry leaders, their outstanding morals, etc, etc, but in reality they are just buying addresses from agents all over the FSU like so many other agencies. Elena is surely a skilful entrepreneur, she has been very lucky to get a lot of hype in media, but in reality her operations are none better than other, mostly virtual agencies.

I just wanted to report a very clear case of scam.

Gavriil,

If this lady (or whoever submitted the pics and profile) had not clearly stated their true intentions in their first letter to you I might tend to agree with you.

but..

You bought a piece of defective merchandise and/or not what was advertised.  Send it back to the vendor. Simple as that.  If the vendor is not able to resolve your issue by offering a replacement or adjudicating the matter to your satisfaction then there might be something worth reporting.  Until then it's probably best to hold your water.

[gavriil]

Gavriil,

If this lady (or whoever submitted the pics and profile) had not clearly stated their true intentions in their first letter to you I might tend to agree with you.

but..

You bought a piece of defective merchandise and/or not what was advertised.  Send it back to the vendor. Simple as that.  If the vendor is not able to resolve your issue by offering a replacement or adjudicating the matter to your satisfaction then there might be something worth reporting.  Until then it's probably best to hold your water.

BC, you really don't get the point, do you? Look at her profile, what is she saying there?

"Personal message My family will be an island of happiness and success ..."

She says nice words about future family, but in reality she sells prostitution. That is a scam. Just a very clearcut one, no doubts in this case! The scam is that she SAYS one thing in her profile, and DOES another thing in reality.

Yes, the normal scammers aren't so direct, they have numerous more or less sophisticated methods to free the guys from their dollars without being sincere about their intentions. But that's really the case, that's how we should define a scam: A diversion between communicated intention (i.e. in this case serious relationship, marriage, family), and actual behaviour (i.e. fishing some bucks from the guys, even if it just means selling sex for the going market price).

I AM talking to Elenas models about this case, but so far they aren't doing anything, not even deactivating her profile temporarily. They just took her away from the "Featured list" so far.