Marriage Agencies Pay Girls to Chat. PROOF

[lie4ik]

We have all heard the stories of girls getting paid to write letters and chat. We, Jim has posted the proof. Classified advertisements from Ukrainian newspapers.

http://agencyscams.com/Why/ukrainian-marriage-agency-scam.html

If I am not allowed to post links here, just go to agencyscams and click on the banner at the top.

How can anyone use these scam agencies with so much proof that girls are pair to write them and talk on chat with them?

[Daveman]

We have all heard the stories of girls getting paid to write letters and chat. We, Jim has posted the proof. Classified advertisements from Ukrainian newspapers.

http://agencyscams.com/Why/ukrainian-marriage-agency-scam.html

If I am not allowed to post links here, just go to agencyscams and click on the banner at the top.

How can anyone use these scam agencies with so much proof that girls are paid to write them and talk on chat with them?

Remember, most guys going to those agencies will never make a trip anyway.  I don't know exact figures, but if the "neighborhood rumors" are true, only like one in ten actually go visit.  Next, many guys really want to believe that dream (which is fed daily by the agency hype) and usually find those larger "scam" type sites first rather than say stopping here first before diving in.  Once that dream is implanted it takes almost an act of god (or a logonotomy) to dislodge it.  So, many don't see the "proof" until it's too late and their minds have been overcome by the drool factor of falling in love with a video.  They are lost souls wandering aimlessly in the Magical Breasticle Forest.

It's easy to speak from the outside looking in, or in some cases from hindsight (for the fortunate few able to escape the clutches of the Gorgon), but the dream is painted in such vivid detail that it becomes difficult for the unfortunate wayward internet traveler to separate fact from fiction.

[BC]

Looking at the ads where the link sent me, could easily be adverts for the adult video chat industry.  No 'proof' of  marriage site orientation, more the horizontal type IMHO.  Sorta like those 'work overseas' ads..

But of course it probably happens wherever there is a buck to be turned.

Best that can be said is 'buyer beware'.. and if you are a buyer then someone is picking your pocket.

[Phil101]

Having just read the link & seen two of the sites named I can verify these from personal experience as such sites-allow me to explain.

In 2008 I visited Kiev & Odessa to meet girls I had been communicating with,the girl in Kiev was dishonest & a very intelligent scammer in that I visited her several times,quite intimately, before she scammed me & disappeared however I visited a girl in Odessa later in the year & became suspicious because she always disappeared after we had a meal & the interpreter always stayed behind & it was only a few days later that I met a local girl in a bar who after a chat recognised the name of the agency when I described the actions of the girl involved,the agency was Anastasia & she recognised it from my descriptions because she had also chatted to other foreign men who had suffered the same experience.
The girl turned up had a meal & a chat for a couple of hours before she 'had to go',this is very common with Anastasia in Odessa.

[Phil101]

The other site is 1st International,after my experiences with Anastasia this seemed an easier site to use however I was visiting Kiev for 4 weeks in 2009 to do a Russian Language course so arranged to meet with several women,I was into double figures & every single one of them just disappeared usually with the excuse that they had just met & fallen for someone that very week-the odds of that I suggest are negligably slim. However one girl who did turn up arrived with the very same interpreter who was involved with Anna,the Kiev girl who scammed me,& I have to say I was always dubious about her as she was always the one raising the issue about money & the one who doubled the price of Annas' English Lessons. So the girl,Zhenya, rocks up with the only person in Kiev I have every reason to suspect & believe is a fully fledged scammer......

Take your own views but I will never use any of !st International Dating Sites OR communicate with any girl from Anastasia from the south of the Ukraine particularly Odessa & Mikolaev(Nikolaiev).
TAU 2 has turned up some very real & genuine ladies as has Elenas Models.

Would love to hear other guys views!!

[BillyB]

I will never communicate with any girl from Anastasia from the south of the Ukraine particularly Odessa & Mikolaev(Nikolaiev).

Just best to avoid Anastasia all together unless one likes to throw away money chasing a fantasy. Phil thanks for telling us your experience but Anastasia already has a bad rep around here. Personally I'd avoid any dating site with video chat.

[Phil101]

I do agree but will give that site a small amount of credit to the extent of when I was scammed by 'Anja' & I sent them her emails & the receipt from 'Western Union' her profile was removed within the hour & the only reason her interpreter wasn't sacked into the bargain was because I couldn't prove that I had paid double the costs of the interpretation fee &  that she had essentially 'freelanced' herself with a client of the agency.
That taught me to always get a receipt from the interpreter.......
More lessons for others to learn from my mistakes !!

[possum]

I do agree but will give that site a small amount of credit to the extent of when I was scammed by 'Anja' & I sent them her emails & the receipt from 'Western Union' her profile was removed within the hour & the only reason her interpreter wasn't sacked into the bargain was because I couldn't prove that I had paid double the costs of the interpretation fee &  that she had essentially 'freelanced' herself with a client of the agency.
That taught me to always get a receipt from the interpreter.......
More lessons for others to learn from my mistakes !!

I wouldn't involve the interpreter in your vendetta campaign, Phil.. So she charged you a little more than the agency going rate, big deal!. No interpreter with an ounce of self-respect would work for less than $30/hour, unless they're a student looking to improve their English and make a few bucks in the process.. They might give you a discount if they like you, but for that you have to be a likable person and not a penny-pinching 'Ugly American'.. I'm just saying..

[Sculpto]

Phil.

I read your other thread and now these postings.  I have mixed feelings about what you are saying and what you have done.

This post might be a little long so.. sorry in advance.

There is a lot to read in between the lines of your writing.  You tell us you have been to the FSU several times, speak decent Russian and have dated many FSUW.

Awesome.

So, why are/were you using the most notorious sites and going to some of the most notorious cities?

Did you think?.. "Well, these sites seem fishy and have a bad reputation but I am smart and good and they can't mess with me"

Anything that monetizes love relationships is going to be problematic by nature.

So now, to the impression you have given about your "scammer" and your campaign.

1. you are counting pennies. 
2. you did not take charge of your situation.
3. you lost respect with the girl by putting her in a position to ask for your "charity"
4. you did not act like a man and lost the girl
5. you came onto the forum and posted pics and id info in violation of her right to privacy without providing ANY real proof of your accusation.
6. you got laid so it makes all the above even worse.
7. you are obsessed and may also be dating way out of your league.

So anyway, this thread...

25,000 people living off the scam industry in Odessa.

Spend your money fellas.. agencies are great!    :evil: :usdeyes:

[Shadow]

The marriage angecies will have learned fromthe adult industry that men are mostly blind when looking ath the picture of a girl.
There are multiple programs that can run a pre-recorded video of a woman, which might or might not be a real client, and not many men would notice something wring with the synchronization of typing/smiling and the chat.
By letting girls work as English operators they can either perform multiple chats from real or pre-recorded videos, or translate the real typings.
Giving the nature of many agencies who offer such systems the buyer should be very careful indeed.

[veritas]

Sorry, Vaughn and Seeker (and Daveman) ...   

I'm a TOTAL newbie to posting -- I just wrote my first post EVER today,
over at www.rwprimer.com, which isn't so, uh, carefully monitored ...   
(I only posted ONCE there) ...

Yep, Dave told me he was deleting the other 3 posts, and rightfully so,
because I failed to read and pay attention to the posting guidelines ...
My bad for sure, so now I grovel ...      In fact, I told him that
he could delete THIS one as well -- because I'd just start from
scratch in the "Intro" section -- but I suppose THIS posting
of mine will stand, now that folks have replied to it ...

Should I post this lengthy diatribe in the "Intro" section -- after first
introducing myself -- or should I just DIRECT folks to THIS posting?

Sorry again ... I'll pay more attention next time ...   

Sincerely,
Kevin

[Seeker]

Sorry, Vaughn and Seeker (and Daveman) ...   

I'm a TOTAL newbie to posting -- I just wrote my first post EVER today,
over at www.rwprimer.com, which isn't so, uh, carefully monitored ...   
(I only posted ONCE there) ...

Yep, Dave told me he was deleting the other 3 posts, and rightfully so,
because I failed to read and pay attention to the posting guidelines ...
My bad for sure, so now I grovel ...      In fact, I told him that
he could delete THIS one as well -- because I'd just start from
scratch in the "Intro" section -- but I suppose THIS posting
of mine will stand, now that folks have replied to it ...

Should I post this lengthy diatribe in the "Intro" section -- after first
introducing myself -- or should I just DIRECT folks to THIS posting?

Sorry again ... I'll pay more attention next time ...   

Sincerely,
Kevin

Dude, I did much the same (without the multiples) in my first post here.  No harm... just say hi in intro, and we will be able to put it all together.  Welcome to RWD!  And honest, we are mostly nice people. 

[veritas]

OK, it looks like all 4 of my original (identical) posts have been deleted?
Which I said was fine, but now that post of mine ABOVE doesn't make
much sense a'tall ...   

Is the "Intro" section the right place for posting my lengthy diatribe --
first posted on www.rwprimer.com -- WITH attribution, and AFTER
introducing myself?  I DO wanna put it SOMEWHERE!   

Kevin

[Seeker]

OK, it looks like all 4 of my original (identical) posts have been deleted?
Which I said was fine, but now that post of mine ABOVE doesn't make
much sense a'tall ...   

Is the "Intro" section the right place for posting my lengthy diatribe --
first posted on www.rwprimer.com -- WITH attribution, and AFTER
introducing myself?  I DO wanna put it SOMEWHERE!   

Kevin

Post an intro in the intro section first.  After that it is up to you where you put your post(s) and opinions.  We would just like the chance to say hi and understand where you are coming from before we get into deeper topics.  It just makes it easier for all of us. 

[veritas]

Thanks, Seeker, I'll do just that -- "Keep an intro an intro" and then start a new topic ...

And BTW, thanks for the kind and welcoming words above -- I do appreciate 'em ...   

Kevin

[Vaughn]

Kevin,
 
  Allow me to welcome you aboard, too. Thanks for understanding all the concern - it's just
that when a new member shows up, placing posts rapid-fire concerning the same material
we kinda circle the wagons. Usually this tactic promotes a business or service with links
attached.
 
  Your $10 a month habit fills your need for entertainment - glad you recognize that's what
it is - and nothing more. But underneath it all, are you seriously seeking a sincere woman ?

[Vaughn]

I just now spotted your introductory post over where it should be, so I'm up to speed on
things...

[DKMM]

Some do, some don't.  I've used two that were definitely honest and don't resort to this nonsense.  Its all about finding the place you can trust.  Or contact a girl without one but you take your chances.

[Tim22]

Some marriage agencies are of course suspect. If one goes through a reputable marriage agency (whether in Ukraine or Russia) then there are less chances of being scammed. Some agencies actually really vet their prospective brides, check on family history and so on.

If one uses an agency that nobody has heard of then they are taking a risk. However one may be lucky at nd meet someone really nice there. You also can remember that on some of the more well-known marriage/dating sites for  Russian brides, scammers can be lurking in the shadows.

Always follow your instincts is what I think. If she asks for money, steer clear. If she starts with some stories that seem quite far-fetched then stay clear.

Also at least I liked to find out whether the girl I was talking to on the phone was really the girl in the pictures on the marriage agency's website, plus was the address she had given me real.

I used www.topetersburgwithlove.com to send a small bunch of flowers(a scam check service that they provide). When this all looked OK I sent more flowers through them. I think there is another site that offers a similar service called www.russianscamcheck.org

Also after a few months of correspondence do plan a trip to see her in her city or town like I did. This is the real way to check on things and also to see everything for yourself.

One more thing : if letters seem very long and she is not answering many of your questions this is another big red flag!!

[Jack]

I've used two that were definitely honest and don't resort to this nonsense. 

DKMM, would you share with us the name of these two honest agencies that provide this chat service.

[Eduard]

Being a native Russian speaker, I never got scammed (not that they didn't try) and it took me very little time to realise that in spite of very, very appealing, sexy photos of beautiful models that whole MOB agency road was complete BS. I went on free, local Russian sites and within hours was chatting with hundreds of real girls who weren't there for the money. This is how I found and got to know my wife and helped quite a few other men find their soulmate. I do realise that some people on RWD and RUA found their wives through MOB agencies, I don't know how many such members here on RWD but we did a count on RUA and I believe it was under 30 members! That's not a lot for a forum that size IMHO... I am originally from FSU and I know RW/UW very well. Let's face it - my mom is a RW my grandmas were RW/UW, my cousins are RW/UW, I was dating RW since the tender age of 14 or so, I lived with RW and I am now married to a RW. And because of my business I also talk to thousands of RW (not MOB agency girls who get paid for talking with WM but real, general population women) on a daily basis. And general concensus is that more that 99% of normal RW/UW would not sign up with any agency that will market them to foreigners.
The numbers of REAL women on all MOB agency sites combined, who sincerally would like to find a foreign husband are tiny (a few thousand, maybe about 40 thousand? A large percentage of which are not even attractive enough for a WM to initiate contact) compared to several million on local, free Russian dating sites and social networks. Personally, to me it's a nobrainer.

What makes more sense: 1.to look on MOB agency sites, that represent less than 1% of single available RW/UW looking for a serious relationship. It's important to keep in mind that 99% (figuratively speaking) of WM look for their soulmate on MOB agency sites among this 1% of RW?
Or
2. to look on local Russian sites that represent 99% of single available RW/UW looking for a serious relationship and where only about 1% of WM are trying to search for a RW?
Granted that many women on free sites won't be interested in a WM, still the numbers of women who will be interested are vast and the added benefit is that there are hardly any scammers on those sites...

Just my opinion.

[Eduard]

Furthermore, most of the women that are on MOB agency sites who are truly single and looking (and not in this just for the profit only), can be found on free, local Russian sites as well.

[Faux Pas]

Eduard

You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Can you have it both ways?

And because of my business I also talk to thousands of RW (not MOB agency girls who get paid for talking with WM but real, general population women) on a daily basis. And general concensus is that more that 99% of normal RW/UW would not sign up with any agency that will market them to foreigners.

Furthermore, most of the women that are on MOB agency sites who are truly single and looking (and not in this just for the profit only), can be found on free, local Russian sites as well.

[Shadow]

Eduard is correct. However with a population of 140 million people, the 1% still leaves us with a choice of over 500.000 women of ages 25 to 64. 

[Eduard]

Faux Pas, I'm not sure what you disagree with, but even if you disagree, that's fine, I'm just expressing my opinion based on my experience.