Marriage Agencies Pay Girls to Chat. PROOF

[Eduard]

Eduard is correct. However with a population of 140 million people, the 1% still leaves us with a choice of over 500.000 women of ages 25 to 64. 

Shadow, I was referring to 1% (I believe it's actually far less than 1 % and was speaking figuratively) of single, marriage minded women age range approximately 24 to 45. When you look at the numbers of women on MOB agencies and compare that number to local free Russian sites you will see the difference. There are about 30 million profiles on 2 major Russian singles networks. Let's say half of those are women's profiles. Let's also say that 1/3 of those are spam, prostitutes, women who are married but still looking, women who aren't looking for a serious relationship, etc. etc. That still leaves us with 10 million profiles. Even if 90% of those women aren't interested in a foreign man that still leaves us with 1 million real women who would be open to talking and possibly marrying a WM. Very few WM are trying to tap into that market while most of them are contacting MOB agency girls. If you do the same type of "selective screening" for those as I did for free Russian sites (i.e. scammers, working girls, prodaters, GCG, girls with other ulterior motives, you will see that there are only a few thousand women there who are for real.
No wonder that you see so few marriages when most men start with the likes of anastasia, then maybe, several years down the road, after learning their lesson, find an honest agency and possibly actually find a good match.
I mean to each his own and we all choose our own path, but I'm just pointing out that there is a much easier, less expensive and less stressful way IMHO, that makes a lot of sense IMO.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas, I'm not sure what you disagree with, but even if you disagree, that's fine, I'm just expressing my opinion based on my experience.

Eduard, I'm not looking to be contrary with you here. Just hoping to point out the hypocrisy of one of these two statements.

On one hand you chat with 99% of the women on free sites would would not sign up with any agency that would market them to foreigners

Then on the other post ,Most of the women that are on MOB sites can be found on the free local Russian sites as well. How can this be if they "would not" and have such an aversion to MOB sites?

It's very conflicting to me but you are the expert here. Maybe you can make some sense of it? Do you not chat with the women who are on free sites but yet are also on MOB sites?

[Eduard]

Eduard, I'm not looking to be contrary with you here. Just hoping to point out the hypocrisy of one of these two statements.

On one hand you chat with 99% of the women on free sites would would not sign up with any agency that would market them to foreigners

Then on the other post ,Most of the women that are on MOB sites can be found on the free local Russian sites as well. How can this be if they "would not" and have such an aversion to MOB sites?

It's very conflicting to me but you are the expert here. Maybe you can make some sense of it? Do you not chat with the women who are on free sites but yet are also on MOB sites?

I'm still not quite sure what exactly you find confusing. Yes I did and I do now say that the vast majority of single RW would not sign up with the MOB agency. I do say that the ones that do are a very tiny minority compared to the overall pool of single RW. And yes I do say that many women who are part of this tiny minority are also on local Russian sites also looking for local men as well as being on the MOB sites. Please point out to me where am I being hypocritical here? I'm just stating the facts as I see them.

[Shadow]

Eduard, even if you say that there may be 1 million women willing to accept a foreign man, that leaves 10.000 women on MOB sites at 1%.

Agencies will recruit their profiles from many places, free sites is one of them. As you are basicly working as micro-agency, you are fishing in the same pool.

[Eduard]

Eduard, even if you say that there may be 1 million women willing to accept a foreign man, that leaves 10.000 women on MOB sites at 1%.

Agencies will recruit their profiles from many places, free sites is one of them. As you are basicly working as micro-agency, you are fishing in the same pool.

please, allow me to disagree with this statement 

[Misha]

On one hand you chat with 99% of the women on free sites would would not sign up with any agency that would market them to foreigners

However, even if a woman was not willing to sign up with an agency that would market to foreigners, this does not mean that a woman will not consider marrying the right foreigner if she meets him through other non-agency means 

[Faux Pas]

Eduard,
You state you talk to the girls on free sites. You state that 99% of them would not sign up to a MOB business that would market them to foreigners. You then state that most all girls on MOB sites are on free sites. Do you talk to girls on the free sites that are signed up to MOB business that market to foreigners?

Nobody that I know of is going to say the the MOB business is as pure as the driven snow or anything close to it. Face it, we all know that it's 75% chafe and 25% wheat at best. You've done a lot of estimating here to fit your need. I will estimate that the free sites while they have many more in membership probably have close to the same ratio as the MOB business. The free sites have their share of flakes and scams too. And because of the membership differential, likely have many more flakes and scammers in a much higher number.

[Faux Pas]

However, even if a woman was not willing to sign up with an agency that would market to foreigners, this does not mean that a woman will not consider marrying the right foreigner if she meets him through other non-agency means 

Misha I guess the point of my last post is, there isn't a hellva lot of difference in the free sites and the MOB sites. Just bigger numbers of everything. For Eduard to make a pitch otherwise is out  on a cliff, IMO.

I agree with your post btw

[Misha]

The free sites have their share of flakes and scams too.

Sure, but different types of scams. Because the numbers are so large, a scammer specifically looking to fleece a foreigner would be wasting his/her time on a free Russian dating site such as the mamba network. It would not make any sense to put a profile, or even a hundred profile, on site with hundreds of thousands of women. The odds of a foreigner finding them and writing them would be minute, so they won't usually waste their time in doing this as it would be the proverbial needle in a haystack.

As for the flakes, well they are everywhere, the trick is recognizing them before investing too much time and energy into pursuing them 

[Eduard]

Eduard,
You state you talk to the girls on free sites. You state that 99% of them would not sign up to a MOB business that would market them to foreigners. You then state that most all girls on MOB sites are on free sites. Do you talk to girls on the free sites that are signed up to MOB business that market to foreigners?

Nobody that I know of is going to say the the MOB business is as pure as the driven snow or anything close to it. Face it, we all know that it's 75% chafe and 25% wheat at best. You've done a lot of estimating here to fit your need. I will estimate that the free sites while they have many more in membership probably have close to the same ratio as the MOB business. The free sites have their share of flakes and scams too. And because of the membership differential, likely have many more flakes and scammers in a much higher number.

Misha already answered partially so I will just address the 2 points of yours.
If we apply your principal of 75% chafe / 25% wheat toward local Russian sites that amounts to just under 4 million women on local Russian sites that are "wheat".

In 5 years of being in the business I only encountered one girl on free sites that I found out was also listed with the MOB agency. There are so few of these MOB girls that if you search amongst millions of general population single women the likelyhood of encountering one is pretty slim, and by the way it's not necessarily a bad thing. I never said that ALL MOB agency women were somehow bad or sub standart. I did say however that the number of attractive, real, sincere, marriage minded women, with no ulterior motive who are actively searching for a foreign husband is minute compared to the overall pool of available single RW.

[Eduard]

Misha I guess the point of my last post is, there isn't a hellva lot of difference in the free sites and the MOB sites.

Oh yes, there is a huge difference! I mean day and night!

Just bigger numbers of everything. For Eduard to make a pitch otherwise is out  on a cliff, IMO.

It appears that you are of the school of thought where if a guy is in the business he'll say/do anything to make a buck. News flash! Some of us are actually honest people with integrity. It is not easy to survive in this business while offering an honest service, but possible. I enjoy helping people find their soulmate without having to deal with all the crap associated with this industry. It makes me feel good to help 2 people find each other plus I have fun travelling, seeing new places, meeting new people. It is a fun and rewarding job for me even though the money isn't that great. If money was all I cared about I probably would have started a MOB agency 7 or 8 years back. With my background it would be easy and I would be making a 100 times more money now since WM seem to buy into a fantasy a lot easier than when I try to sell them the real, honest service and tell them about the reality of things in FSU. My integrity wouldn't allow me to run a business like a typical MOB agency, and as far as I know running an honest MOB agency has to be more of a hobby rather than something that will allow you to support a family. I've actually been known to do what's right for the client, i.e. if there is a single girl locally in the US that I know of, I will introduce her to the client instead of having him continue the search, communicate with women and take a costly trip to the FSU. It's completely not in my financial interest but I still do it, because it's the right thing to do for the client. Some people say that I'm dumb, but I sleep well at night  I also enjoy good reputation because of this.

[Chelseaboy]

Eduard,whilst i agree with what you say,i would say the situation is changing regarding the number of women on MOB sites.On Anastasia alone,there are now 22,000 women members,and the number grows daily.
I suspect the adverts being run in Ukrainian newspapers,recruiting the women,is having a big affect,as girls realise the earning potential from scamming men through these local agencies.
As far as i'm aware these adverts are not being run in Russian newspapers yet,just wait till they are,because the girls can run these scamming empires from their home,as long as they an internet connection : ((

[Shadow]

please, allow me to disagree with this statement 

No problem at all. If you can earn with what you like to do, that is the best way.

[Eduard]

No problem at all. If you can earn with what you like to do, that is the best way.

thanks, Shadow

[groovlstk]

Eduard,whilst i agree with what you say,i would say the situation is changing regarding the number of women on MOB sites.On Anastasia alone,there are now 22,000 women members,and the number grows daily.

I don't think there are more women listed on MOB sites now as opposed to 5 years ago, the proliferation of home PCs killed off a lot of agencies. 

[kievstar]

I follow a couple agencies in Kiev and will post the results as follows:

Kiev Connections has women on there for more than 7 years and they have less than 150 women who joined in past 28 months.  However they have over 700 profiles.  Most of there profiles are greater than 5 years.  They add 1-2 women a week and subtract almost none. 

Interdating has women on there for 5 years.  I will say they have cleaned up a bunch in past 6 months and Kiev Connections is the worst now on old profiles. 

MissUA has women on there for 5 years plus and if a woman is not on first 3 pages not worth your time.  Probably has had 3 boyfriends already.  I saw a couple girls I met back in Kiev who are now married in the USA but still listed.

So I think the number of profiles has grown but actually available women is same.  Does it really take most women 5-6 years to find a man for marriage?  Does it take a man that long?  IMHO agencies do little work on updating profiles and a woman status.  A woman who takes more than 5 years looking seriously for a husband more than likely not marriage material. 

Anastiaweb the number of women is about the same but you really need to take the number over 26 years old as majority under 26 years old are not interested in foreign men. 

A real good looking women who works does not have time to play around on free personals with foreign men who never visit and an agency will handle all the letter writing and phone calls so she just has to meet men who visit.  But if a woman does not have much of a personal life than free personals is probably good for her.   

[DKMM]

An important point being left out is that ladies who DO join an agency are FAR more likely to accept moving across the world to marry a man.  They already considered it when joining an agency.  I was engaged once to a woman who did not use an agency and one of the things that derailed it was she realized she didn't quite want to give up her life over there.  Just some food for thought.

[Ade]

An important point being left out is that ladies who DO join an agency are FAR more likely to accept moving across the world to marry a man.  They already considered it when joining an agency.  I was engaged once to a woman who did not use an agency and one of the things that derailed it was she realized she didn't quite want to give up her life over there.  Just some food for thought.

Yes, but that's been known to happen with women who did join an agency too....

[Faux Pas]

Yes, but that's been known to happen with women who did join an agency too....

True. But, if a woman joined an agency wouldn't one think the chances are higher that she had already given serious thought to relocation?

[Ade]

True. But, if a woman joined an agency wouldn't one think the chances are higher that she had already given serious thought to relocation?

Of course, but then there are no guarantees either way and that's my point really.

Also, it's just an opinion, but I'd say if you meet a woman without major reasons for not moving (kids or sick parents for instance) and you both truly fall for each other, emigrating to another country would rarely be an issue even if the woman had never considered it before. It would probably help if they felt comfortable communicating in the country's language of course... And there's the extra benefit of knowing there's a better chance she's moving to be with you rather than for the lifestyle the country offers.

[Faux Pas]

Of course, but then there are no guarantees either way and that's my point really.

Also, it's just an opinion, but I'd say if you meet a woman without major reasons for not moving (kids or sick parents for instance) and you both truly fall for each other, emigrating to another country would rarely be an issue even if the woman had never considered it before. It would probably help if they felt comfortable communicating in the country's language of course... And there's the extra benefit of knowing there's a better chance she's moving to be with you rather than for the lifestyle the country offers.

Thats a good point and I agree with it. One farther, when she leaves a good life, job, family and friends to be with you, is a good indication as well.

[Eduard]

Of course, but then there are no guarantees either way and that's my point really.

Also, it's just an opinion, but I'd say if you meet a woman without major reasons for not moving (kids or sick parents for instance) and you both truly fall for each other, emigrating to another country would rarely be an issue even if the woman had never considered it before. It would probably help if they felt comfortable communicating in the country's language of course... And there's the extra benefit of knowing there's a better chance she's moving to be with you rather than for the lifestyle the country offers.

Exactly! My last client's girl is a perfect example of that. She never even considered moving anywhere, she is a lawer with a successful law firm, owns a brand new Toyota, owns her apartment, she needs absolutely nothing in terms of material things...did I mention that she is also a gorgeous 28 yo blond? It was obvious there was an attraction there from the beginning and they were truly connecting even by email. When they met they already knew each other very well and the chemistry was definitely there! Several times I heard from her (addressing my client) "I can't believe a guy like you has trouble finding a wife in the USA!". Looking at them it was so obviouis that they were truly falling for each other. She also made friends with my wife and they email each other, so "a little birdy" tells me that the girl is really falling for my guy He will be making the second trip in a couple of month to spend a few weeks together with her and if they continue carrying on the way they were when I was there I seriously doubt that there will be any issue with her moving to the USA to be with him.

I believe that dealing with women who are not part of the MOB business you have a better chance of finding true love and illiminate many problems associated with dealing with MOB agencies. And the fact that the pool of women, who are outside of the MOB business is  a lot bigger is also a huge factor, not to mention that very few WM tap into this pool.

[JohnDearGreen]

A real good looking women who works does not have time to play around on free personals with foreign men who never visit and an agency will handle all the letter writing and phone calls so she just has to meet men who visit.  But if a woman does not have much of a personal life than free personals is probably good for her.  

The 1st lady I met in Kyiv ten years ago was thru AOL personals.  Why was she there?  Her small MOB agency suggested she try it to broaden her exposure.  

[Faux Pas]

I believe that dealing with women who are not part of the MOB business you have a better chance of finding true love and illiminate many problems associated with dealing with MOB agencies. And the fact that the pool of women, who are outside of the MOB business is  a lot bigger is also a huge factor, not to mention that very few WM tap into this pool.

Eduard,
There are ALOT of problems associated with going at it alone, using an agency, a tour or personalized service such as you offer. Let's face it and be truthful here, it's wrought with problems, pitfalls and expense no matter which one may choose to pursue. You believe your way is the best and I assume that is from your personal experience, I get that. However, I've read many of your posts on a couple of forums and I haven't seen you offer anything conclusive as to why your way is better than the other avenues. Pursuing women that are not part of the MOB scene would strike me as a bigger negative because they are not pursuing avenues that would help them find a foreign partner. My guess (and it is only a guess) would be because they aren't interested in finding one or relocating.

While the MOB scene and tours may have many negatives, it also has many positives over your particular method. First and foremost in my mind is, most of these ladies have at least given thought to and considered relocation. In most all of your posts you seem like a broken record commercial "my way good, other ways bad". One thing I have noticed from being around these boards for a number of years now is that one size does not fit all. Many guys are very successful in ways and means that I would never recommend to another.

What say you?

[Ade]

Eduard,
There are ALOT of problems associated with going at it alone, using an agency, a tour or personalized service such as you offer. Let's face it and be truthful here, it's wrought with problems, pitfalls and expense no matter which one may choose to pursue. You believe your way is the best and I assume that is from your personal experience, I get that. However, I've read many of your posts on a couple of forums and I haven't seen you offer anything conclusive as to why your way is better than the other avenues. Pursuing women that are not part of the MOB scene would strike me as a bigger negative because they are not pursuing avenues that would help them find a foreign partner. My guess (and it is only a guess) would be because they aren't interested in finding one or relocating.

While the MOB scene and tours may have many negatives, it also has many positives over your particular method. First and foremost in my mind is, most of these ladies have at least given thought to and considered relocation. In most all of your posts you seem like a broken record commercial "my way good, other ways bad". One thing I have noticed from being around these boards for a number of years now is that one size does not fit all. Many guys are very successful in ways and means that I would never recommend to another.

What say you?

I'm not speaking for Ed but from what I've been reading this past few years, there are huge problems with the MOB dating pool because it is so full of GCG, pro-daters and good time girls in addition to all the agency scamming going on. So, considering that, I'd believe the chances of finding a real lasting relationship is much higher among the normal dating population.

And, yeah, I agree that Ed tends towards the self-promotional a little too much sometimes and in my single days I wouldn't have used such services as his, but, TBH, most men are probably going to have a better chance with him, doing what he does, than with any agency I've heard of.