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[Sculpto]

trying to compare if it is worse for women in the west or east is fairly ridiculous.  in the west there is decent reporting and a more or less reliable LE situation while in the FSU the cops are corrupt and the government isn't very good at compiling statistics.

I will throw in an example from Mexico that I suspect mirrors the situation in the FSU.. a girl gets raped and goes to the police.. she more often than not gets raped again by the police.  It is no exaggeration and happens every day.  In Mexico City where there is halfway decent statistical records and a number of anthropological studies on the topic report that one out of two rapes are committed by police.

There is no reason to assume it is much different in the FSU.

What any of this has to do with IMBRA and the new law in Texas is beyond me.

By the way Boethius.. women dressing down in the US and Canada doesn't have as much to do with harassment avoidance as it does with the idea of women not wanting to be Barbie so they wrongly assume by looking dumpy men won't hit on them constantly.  It is highly erroneous thinking however.  Females are going to get hit on regardless because men are simply acting on their biological imperatives and frankly I think dressing down has made the situation worse because the male peacocks need to display brighter feathers and are in most cases far to stupid to understand that such behavior never gets a positive response.

example.. years ago when I was in college and working in a retail store nights and weekends an exceptionally beautiful and hotly dressed woman in late 20's came in.  I was mesmerized and tried every trick I knew to get her attention, game that worked really well on girls my age.. she sensed it and turned it around on me.. came on to me very directly and I was so shocked and intimidated by her forward approach that I backed off immediately.  She was smart.  Girls that dress down, look away, act disgusted, try to ignore unwanted advances.. are in fact escalating the scenarios.  Most men are freaked out and intimidated by a confident and sexually direct woman.. why do you think there is criticism of the pron star in another thread.. the girl has used her sexual power to gain financial security.. yet she is therefore unworthy of marriage.  If some male pornstar came to the forum the guys will think he is a hero.. Men are studs.. girls are sluts.. same old stupid story and double standards.

[Boethius]

By the way Boethius.. women dressing down in the US and Canada doesn't have as much to do with harassment avoidance as it does with the idea of women not wanting to be Barbie so they wrongly assume by looking dumpy men won't hit on them constantly.

Same thing.

My husband disagrees about Ukraine.  He says the attitude toward women is different.  However, he does view rape differently (His example, from a newspaper article he read - A woman dances provocatively on a table, jumps on a boy, grinds him, then accuses him of rape.  No Ukrainian would consider this rape, but as we know, in the West, "No means no, at any time.)

[Misha]

I can assure you, in Ukraine vs Canada, that is the case.  But my point was not about safety.  It was about harassment.   

And my wife's exact question when I recounted to her the idea that women are more harassed in Canada than in Russia: "она гонит?" Translation of the verb гнать used colloquially: to bs, to lie, to embellish, to overstate. My wife certainly doesn't see herself as being more harassed in Canada as compared to Russia.

[Boethius]

1.  Your wife is not from Ukraine.

2.  Your wife isn't living in a big city.

GQ does live in a big city, and his wife did experience this. 

[Misha]

1.  Your wife is not from Ukraine.

2.  Your wife isn't living in a big city.

GQ does live in a big city, and his wife did experience this. 

Ah, so what you say only applies to Ukraine  Also, I did note that my wife did not encounter any problems in any of the bigger cities she visited in Canada and the United States, so clearly your generalizations do not apply to all of Canada or even much of Canada. But, feel free to backpedal all you want....

[Sculpto]

Misha, my AW x GF used to ride her bike everywhere in SF, usually in a hoodie and loose fitting pants.  Sometimes she would come home so upset about the comments she got on the street that she would be almost in tears.. she was followed, verbally harassed and intimidated on a daily basis.  She also got slipped a "mickey" in her first year in college.

Your wifes experience is fortunate but not typical.

[Boethius]

I was referring to this, so I don't see backpedalling.

And do you think most rapes in Ukraine/Russia are reported
I can assure you, in Ukraine vs Canada, that is the case.  

Your wife did not live in these cities.  Being a tourist, and on the tourist track is very different.  In Calgary, for example, downtown is perfectly fine until it gets dark.  Inglewood and Forst Lawn are dicey, as is the CTrain on the NE quadrant.  In Edmonton, Whyte Avenue and WEM pose no problems (though WEM does for teens, both boys and girls).  Mill Woods, Londonderry, Mayfield, and industrial areas in the southeast, just north of Mill Woods, the buses at Southgate, do not.

So, have her dress in shorts and a tank top on a hot day (nothing too provocative), and have a walk through one of these areas.  It will be an eye opener.

ETA - Yes, Eric, I think this is more common in big cities, though I was once harassed in Halifax when I was visiting.  But, I think it may be different because it's a port.

[Misha]

So in other words if you pick and choose your neighborhoods and the time of day you can perhaps paint the bleak picture that you are portraying. I am sure that the same logic can be applied to any city in Ukraine. Again, you generalize and then explain that you refer to exceptions.

[Boethius]

No, those were just examples.  What I am saying is that if you are in a crowd, or accompanied by a man, you won't have those experiences.  Downtown Calgary is fairly pedestrian friendly during the day, not so busy at night.  WEM and Whyte Avenue are generally crowded, though both have areas that are almost exclusively for teens, and those areas are generally more dangerous to teens.  

All I'm saying is that a tourist experience, rather than living in cities, is very different.  Your wife hasn't experienced the rhythms of life that women that live there do.  So, she wouldn't have these experiences, whereas 2012's and GQ's women (and countless others I know) have.  No matter how you try to twist it, it won't change reality.

[Misha]

This was your original statement:

I'm not talking about workplace harassment, which is a completely different issue.  FSU men are more macho as their culture requires this and generally, more sexist than North American men.  But women don't get harassed there if they're well dressed, just walking down the street, except by drunkards.

Then, you tell us you were just talking about Ukraine.

Then you wrote:

I have never denied this was the case.  It was the same in Kyiv 10 and 20 years ago, too.  I don't know about 30 years ago, as I was in high school then.

My point was not about office politics, but about how women are treated on the streets.  Women don't face the same harassment on the streets as they do here.

Now you are cherry-picking as saying "here" applies to only certain cities, certain neighborhood and certain times.

Again, you generalize, and backtrack when contradictory evidence comes to the fore.

[Boethius]

Discussions are liquid, Misha.  I responded to the last two posts, not to what I posted yesterday.  If you want me to go back and quote each and every post to distinguish, I won't because I don't have time.

[Sculpto]

Misha, why do you always nitpick such details?  Life is not black and white and there are always exceptions to every rule.  I see a silly debate that you persist in prolonging in which you have become a rather boring repeater, and, which is offering nothing useful to the knowledge base.

[KenC]

I will throw in an example from Mexico that I suspect mirrors the situation in the FSU.. a girl gets raped and goes to the police.. she more often than not gets raped again by the police.  It is no exaggeration and happens every day.  In Mexico City where there is halfway decent statistical records and a number of anthropological studies on the topic report that one out of two rapes are committed by police.

There is no reason to assume it is much different in the FSU.

AND there is no logical reason to ASSUME it is the same either. (Speaking to useless information or faulty logic)
KenC

[Misha]

Discussions are liquid, Misha.  I responded to the last two posts, not to what I posted yesterday.  If you want me to go back and quote each and every post to and distinguish, I won't because I don't have time.

You don't care to admit that you made some misleading generalizations I take it. I/O IMHO summed it up best, so I won't bother repeating what he said.

[Misha]

Misha, why do you always nitpick such details? 

And Beothius NEVER nitpicks 

Life is not black and white and there are always exceptions to every rule.  I see a silly debate that you persist in prolonging in which you have become a rather boring repeater, and, which is offering nothing useful to the knowledge base.

Sculpto, feel free to put me on ignore. However, if I am boring you, perhaps I should ask you what is new and how your relationship is coming along?

[Sculpto]

And Beothius NEVER nitpicks 

Sculpto, feel free to put me on ignore. However, if I am boring you, perhaps I should ask you what is new and how your relationship is coming along?

So, you deflect the direct question and provide no answer, typical.

And, my personal life is no business of yours.

[Misha]

You want to answer? Fine. If you or Beothius are to make sweeping generalizations, then they should be able to stand up to scrutiny. You can it "nitpicking" I call it participating on a discussion forum and challenging ideas that I believe to be false. I refuse to believe something, simply because you, Beothius or anybody else said so. If that does not make you happy, then put me on ignore.

[Jack]

Sculpto, feel free to put me on ignore.

Sculpto!   Isn't this like the third name he has used on this board?

Why is it Sculpto you are changing your name so often?

[Turboguy]

AND there is no logical reason to ASSUME it is the same either. (Speaking to useless information or faulty logic)
KenC

I have never heard that about the FSU but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.   I do think women in the FSU get far more pressure on them in the work place to provide extra services as part of their employment.  I think both America and the FSU have problems when it comes to the treatment of women but I do think there are differences in the dangers and problems.  

[BC]

What's this thread all about?  Rape, Canada, cops, tourists, life rhythms, what!! Sculpto is back as Sculpto ??

... ahh are we bored again?

[KenC]

I have never heard that about the FSU but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.   

Huh?  You have no direct evidence, yet you choose to support this unfounded theory?  I guess you really haven't changed much.  Just because something could happen, does not mean it does happen nor does it mean it even has happened.
KenC

[Sculpto]

You want to answer? Fine. If you or Beothius are to make sweeping generalizations, then they should be able to stand up to scrutiny. You can it "nitpicking" I call it participating on a discussion forum and challenging ideas that I believe to be false. I refuse to believe something, simply because you, Beothius or anybody else said so. If that does not make you happy, then put me on ignore.

The problem with your logic Misha is sometimes people make very general comments to stimulate discussion but you take everything so literally and then debate on that basis so that it derails useful discussion and devolves into a pissing match.  Perhaps instead of the nitpicks more thoughtful responses would be more useful?

[Sculpto]

Sculpto!   Isn't this like the third name he has used on this board?

Why is it Sculpto you are changing your name so often?

How many names do you have all over the internet Jack?  Sheesh, if there is one single guy in the MOB biz that lacks credibility across the board it would be you.. and Jack.. I will throw you a little bone here.. I have a friend in Kiev that was looking for some translation work.. and I mentioned your name and agency.. oh my GOD you would not believe the tirade of insults you got from her.. it would seem you have earned yourself quite the reputation. 

[Sculpto]

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[Jack]

Yes Sculpto, or whatever you are calling yourself today, I am proud that my reputation is 180 degree's from that of yours. I am proud of the reputation I have from over 98% of my current, past clients and the agencies I work with.  Let all the clients, over 2500 of them, who have been scammed or cheated speak up,.......the silence is deafening sculpto.

In Kiev I have a lot of good people I work with and if this person is a friend of yours, I can promise you I would not want to use them. I have a friend in Kiev who said he knew of you and oh my God, did that set her off. I thought I had just committed a crime, I had never heard so many cuss words from a Ukraine person.  See how easy it is to make up stories sculpto?  Silly me, I'm speaking to sculpto, of course, who knows deception better than you.

Now again, I seem to have missed the reason, sculpto with the really good reputation you have here and on other boards, what's the reason your are always 'having' to change your name?