Anna & Marina from Anastasia

[Phil101]

Can't believe I've just found this site but heres my little story involving the two named above & I just wanna warn guys in case you meet these two in your travels.....

I first met Anna via Anastasia in Dec 07 & liked what I saw to the extent that I went to meet her in Kiev in Mar 08. Her English was non-existent so she needed an interpreter,cue Marina.......

We met & she looked very different from her photographs(alot heavier but still v pretty) & I went back several times to meet her & we did spend many hours together,museums,bars,restaurants,horse riding & yes I made the mistake of taking her to restaurants that were so expensive that they were a months wage & more for the average Ukrainian but hey,I was in love & thought she also wanted me as she gave me every reason to believe that she felt the same...... She also changed her appearance massively(& not at my expense) in this time from losing lots of weight to the way she dressed & we would also meet alone despite our obvious communication difficulties.
She seemed very genuine & it was always always the interpreter who was sometimes off & spoke about money never Anna.
So when the time came & Anna asked me to help her because she wanted to learn English(so we didn't have to have Marina present to speak properly)I felt this to be a fair request & didnt refuse $30 a lesson for 20 lessons(I have now found out that the standard rate is about $15 a lesson in Kiev). I gave her some cash before I left when we alone & then sent the rest by Western Union.......

[Phil101]

I noted that when in the interim between me returning & sending the money she became more confident & aggressive until I sent the further $300 when she then went quiet, very quiet........
Then she got angry whenever she was text or emailed & then I realised that I had been very intelligently & sexually scammed for a couple of hundreds of dollars of jewellry,some intimate moments,expensive meals & $600 in cash......
Not alot really & if she'd have been more patient she may have played me for longer or perhaps I was just beginning to realise......

Marina turned up a year later when I went to meet another girl whom I met in Independance Square,this was halted immediately. The pics you see above,Anna is clearly the dark haired girl, Marina the blonde & the very attractive one of Anna was her only a couple of months after we originally met.
She often spells her name Anja, has a brother called Sergei & her last address was in the Mayakovskogo area of Kiev.
She has changed her email address & I deleted her mobile number.
I would just like to warn everybody of this unpleasant & dishonest woman who will use every charm she has available to part a man with his cash!

[BillyB]

 I realised that I had been very intelligently & sexually scammed

Forget about the intelligent scam, tell us how you got scammed sexually!

Phil, I know you feel used but the woman did satisfy your physical needs. With some RW who does such, they feel it's normal for you to return the favor financially. Personally I would not get involved with a woman that doesn't understand the value of money and doesn't understand my financial limits yet spends like there is no tomorrow.

From what you told us, I'm not sure Anna deserves to be listed as a scammer or pro dater yet. If you walk into an expensive restaurant without refusing, then your date will think you can afford it. If the price of the meal is too high, it's up to you to tell your lady that it's time to leave. Be honest with the reason and you will then understand if she changes her behavior to date within your budget or begin getting cold with you.

[facetrock]

  Gotta agree with Billy here. You banged her, and in her mind and many womens minds it makes her special to you. She thinks she deserves more now since you were intimate.
  Usually the pro daters or scammers will not have sex, hardly even kiss you. So how expensive were these resturants and what is the age difference? Some people think McDonalds is a luxory.

Anja? I think it would be Anya, just another name for Anna.

[Phil101]

Oh contrare!! She taught me a great deal about how cunning some of these people can really be,I am a natural cynic but it was only after she took the final installment of £300 that she went quiet & then disappeared.......
She never emailed me at my private address with more than a line or two in 3 whole months until she wanted money... then she sent pleasant& dreamy ones that were immeasurably long for her & in very good English......
I have come across numerous scammers but have to admit that this girl & her compadre were definately the the most intelligent-oh & I said the restaurants were expensive for them,not for me-this is about principle,I aint gonna get the money back but what is cash? Ultimately though I'd like to ensure other guys don't make the same mistakes as I do-a good scammer will gain the trust of her prey & then she will strike because she is likely to be more successful.......
Well thats life,if you don't think her a scammer find her on Fcbk & see how much it costs ya!!

[Faux Pas]

I gotta agree with Facet and Billy. Not much info you posted here would indicate this girl a scammer. Understandably you feel used. From your provided information it would seem that she was in "an arrangement" more than anything else. Obviously good moral fiber isn't her high point but as you feel used, she may feel she was due.

The price of the meals is inconsequential as long as you trotted in, put your butt in a seat and placed an order. You could have at anytime said no. Phil, $600 bucks isn't a lot of money. Many guys have been soaked for much more. If you made several trips to see her, had alone time including sex, chances are she wasn't and never intended to scam you. Probably even had hopes for you but somewhere along the way lost that hope. Perhaps of your doing or perhaps not. IMO

[Phil101]

I now know a great deal about the Ukraine & Ukrainian women since this,my very first experience there.
I've travelled & learnt a great deal & speak decent but limited Russian,have spent in excess of 2 months there,my current g/f who i've been dating for almost a year lives in Kiev & I met her whilst studying Russian in Kiev in 09.
You're right McD's IS expensive to some people ergo $600 for a meal in a top restaurant is amazingly so,& some women think that is sex is repayment.
But even the agency agreed that she was a scammer & I had all the emails that were sent regarding the money & receipt.
You think what you want mate,I honestly don't care,I know I was scammed cos I know,as she does,that she disappeared as soon as she received that second installment of $300......
Maybe girls take money of you all the time & disappear so you don't consider them scammers,I however consider that theft(dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanemtly deprive). I'm also happy & at ease with what happened because thats life & if this here prevents one guy from been robbed by her then thats worth it. But interestingly I alluded to the fact that I came across the interpreter last June in Kiev, she blamed Anna for all the dishonesty & said it was nothing to do with her-no denial about dishonesty just an attempt to re-apportion blame!!

[Faux Pas]

Oh contrare!! She taught me a great deal about how cunning some of these people can really be,I am a natural cynic but it was only after she took the final installment of £300 that she went quiet & then disappeared.......
She never emailed me at my private address with more than a line or two in 3 whole months until she wanted money... then she sent pleasant& dreamy ones that were immeasurably long for her & in very good English.

Phil, might I ask, you don't find any fault of your own in this case? 3 months pass with two line emails as communication and the WHAM! long dreamy ones and by the way "send money"? Did the two of you communicate in any other fashion?

I have come across numerous scammers but have to admit that this girl & her compadre were definately the the most intelligent-oh & I said the restaurants were expensive for them,not for me-this is about principle,I aint gonna get the money back but what is cash? Ultimately though I'd like to ensure other guys don't make the same mistakes as I do-a good scammer will gain the trust of her prey & then she will strike because she is likely to be more successful.......
Well thats life,if you don't think her a scammer find her on Fcbk & see how much it costs ya!!

These women really don't come across as scammers or predators. Stop to think for a minute, your date that is in town is buying dinner. Do you go to McDonalds or a white tablecloth joint? The answer seems easy enough to me. You are correct in that you made some mistakes. Rather than get bitter about them maybe it's a time to reflect and see what you may have done instead of "just" dole out the money. You have other mistakes here guy. Careful with that cluebat unless you're going to use it on yourself.

[Phil101]

Bitter? Not in the slightest,its all part of lifes rich tapestry-however I aint gonna get involved in an debate on a Sat night,the upshot of it is,was I naive enough to pay the interpreter $30 an hour when the usual is about £15-$20? Yes.
Was I naive enough to believe that after several visits things were moving on? Oh yes.......
Therefore when she asked me face to face to pay for her English lessons & her passport so we could go on holiday did I hear alarm bells ringing but fail to ask at the amount she asked for? yes......
Did I find it odd that she started sending me proper emails to my private email when talking about the money & developed new confidence & aggression? yes.....
Did she disappear as soon as she received that final money through Western Union? Yes......
Now if that isn't what a professional scammer then I do not know what is. In fact I will go as far as saying that when it comes to scamming she proved to be a both very good & dangerous because she gained the trust of a guy who was already aware of the scamming game & confident he would never be scammed......
Am I bothered now? No.
Would I like to ensure it doesn't happen to someone else with these women? yes

I think this topic has been covered quite extensively, I made some mistakes that I hope aren't repeated by anyone else,after all that is why this site is here is it not? To help others who have interests & knowledge in these spheres?
??

Oh & I like the club bat lol

[BillyB]

I noted that when in the interim between me returning & sending the money she became more confident & aggressive until I sent the further $300 when she then went quiet, very quiet........

After your first visit, were you or were you not in a relationship? If you were not in a relationship, then the money you sent was a gift unless you wanted something back in return. If you were in a relationship, I suspect she wanted you to take care of her on a monthly basis and continuously asked you for this help and lost respect for you after 3 months of begging and only getting $300. She may have felt used since you had sex with her and her future with you was unknown especially if you did not discuss a follow up visit.

Phil, she could very well be a scammer taking advantage of many men but I'd say at a minimum, she is a low class woman and I would never associated with a person once I discovered that. Many RW live their lives before us Western men come along and they could continue to live without us. Unfortunately too many Western men want to be victims heroes but the truth is we aren't heroes because we wouldn't rescue Russian men or children in need. We give money to RW because we want the prize between their legs. Some get the prize as you did, others simply get fukced.

[GregfromGa]

So I have to ask. Were you able to fornicate with said woman? If so then just write it off as a lesson learned. You'll be a wiser man in the future. If not then just write it off as a lesson learned and you'll be wiser for future endeavors.

[Phil101]

In fact smart ass I know what her name was & I know that when she uses 'Anja' she spells it with a 'j' not a 'y' so don't try & correct me on something you don't know about!
I am immensely well travelled & oddly enough have had into double figures of gfs from the FSU(I'm v picky & know how to enjoy myself & hookers don't count either) so I know when a woma is a thief & when a women is just misinformed or uneducated & I can assure you that Anja was in neither of these categories cos I even have a grudging respect for the fact that she managed to out fox a fox! So if she can do this to me she can do it to many guys out there who are not as inherently cynical & untrusting as I am deep down.

I am absolutely astounded as to how many guys here think they know so much & try & 'give advice'.... You have none to give me in regards to the crimninal behaviour of this woman,I just thought I'd be a good egg & warn other guys from my mistakes-instead I get a load of misinformed comments who think they are so so wise.
I knew there was a reason why I don't use forums & thats cos they're generally inhabited by those who live their lives online & not in the real physical world as seems to be proved by the above comments!!

[Phil101]

Greg,absolutely!!
You are the only guy who has actually replied anything of common sense on here tonight!!
But I am happy,this was a while since but I havbe only just found this site tonight & I always promised her I would let the world know that she was a thief.
I keep my word.I am not bitter,life is too short.
I am happy but I would hate someone else to fall for her deceits & be parted with their cash!!
That to me is a fair one......

[facetrock]

Sorry Phil I dont buy it. You say your not bitter then tell us you told her you will let the world know she is a theif. That doesnt sound like your over this at all. IMHO your posting her pics for revenge. Not because you want to save some guy from buying her English lessons.

So this happened what? Two years ago? And here you are posting her pic on a forum. Time to forget about this.

  Your last two posts said alot about you. Doesnt take much to trip your trigger.

[Phil101]

Yeah whatever.
I'm a man of my word & don't suffer fools & fantasists.
Despise thieves & scammers & cons.
She is or was,maybe she has changed her ways & perhaps not. I neither know nor care but if I prevent her making money from one guy then at least I've saved one guy from heartache & deceit. Everyone who has commented(which is only a small %) seems to think that if a woman shags a guy you can con him of $600 then disappear without response-you guys deserve what you get.
Theres been only one guy who has responded who seems to be able to read & understand what I have said & pretty much why,you just keep playing in forum rooms & commenting on other peoples experience from your armchair 

[facetrock]

  Phil I actually agree with you that she is a dishonest woman. Hard core scammer? I doubt it.
What I dont believe is that you are over her and have put all this behind you. I dont mean that in a nasty way either. Just my opinion.

[KenC]

Guys (Facet & Billy),
I think your being too hard on Phil.  You both know I am the first one here to bust the chops of some whinning "sour grapes" guy that got worked by a RW.  I don't see Phil doing that here.  He is just warning others not to get scammed as he did.

Phil,
Thanks for warning the board here and welcome to RWD,
KenC

[facetrock]

  Ken I think your right. I think I am having suffering from RWS( Russian Withdral Syndrome)
So Phil I apologize if I offended you and welcome to the board. Stick around, I am sure you have alot of good advice you can give.

[GregfromGa]

Well a quick google search of these names will now reveal what has been posted and hopefully it'll help some poor unsuspecting soul from sending the money. If it's true and if it does that then it's served the intention of the post.

[KenC]

Forget about the intelligent scam, tell us how you got scammed sexually!

Phil, I know you feel used but the woman did satisfy your physical needs. With some RW who does such, they feel it's normal for you to return the favor financially. Personally I would not get involved with a woman that doesn't understand the value of money and doesn't understand my financial limits yet spends like there is no tomorrow.

From what you told us, I'm not sure Anna deserves to be listed as a scammer or pro dater yet. If you walk into an expensive restaurant without refusing, then your date will think you can afford it. If the price of the meal is too high, it's up to you to tell your lady that it's time to leave. Be honest with the reason and you will then understand if she changes her behavior to date within your budget or begin getting cold with you.

Billy,
Would you feel better if Phil called her a whore or a hooker?  Based on your logic here, that is what she is.  I think "scammer" is more than appropriate (and kinder).
KenC

[BillyB]

Billy,
Would you feel better if Phil called her a whore or a hooker?  Based on your logic here, that is what she is.
KenC

No Ken, I've dated enough RW to understand that some accept a relationship lacking love but with the other things such as physical intimacy rewards for the man and financial rewards for the woman. The RW usually has one man who takes care of her needs and she's not a hooker who screws just any strange man. Some RW. especially older and with kids may never find a man to love and live their whole life with but they still have needs and would settle for a less than desirable relationship.

I don't think I was hard on Phil. I really don't think he need to be so vindictive towards the woman he willingly sent $300 to. She probably took the measily amount of cash and ended the relationship thinking Phil is greedy. A scammer wouldn't run away from a man who is sending cash. Anja would probably milk him for more money and tell him to come back and visit to continue the relationship. Get him thinking marriage and hit him for the big bucks. I think Anja wanted to end the relationship because she was not happy with Phil. Phil is upset about it and was hoping for more of course, when he didn't get it, he posts her photos on the net and tells what she did..... more than 2 years after they met. If Anja continued the relationship after Phil sent the $300, Phil would not be here today. Phil would be in love with her. It didn't happen so now she's a scammer. :noidea:

[Doll]

Well a quick google search of these names will now reveal what has been posted and hopefully it'll help some poor unsuspecting soul from sending the money. If it's true and if it does that then it's served the intention of the post.

Google what? The name "Anja" (actually "Anya") There are hundreds of thousands Anyas.
As for the OP, this girls is not much of a scammer for me.

[Doll]

Ah, I see the last names in the title. Who can explain me what Marina did?
I did read the posts.
Ok, I googled the names- got the link to this forum 

[Doll]

I really don't think he need to be so vindictive towards the woman he willingly sent $300 to. She probably took the measily amount of cash and ended the relationship thinking Phil is greedy. A scammer wouldn't run away from a man who is sending cash. Anja would probably milk him for more money and tell him to come back and visit to continue the relationship. Get him thinking marriage and hit him for the big bucks. I think Anja wanted to end the relationship because she was not happy with Phil. Phil is upset about it and was hoping for more of course, when he didn't get it, he posts her photos on the net and tells what she did..... more than 2 years after they met. If Anja continued the relationship after Phil sent the $300, Phil would not be here today. Phil would be in love with her. It didn't happen so now she's a scammer. I Have No Idea

+1

[Doll]

restaurants that were so expensive that they were a months wage & more

Dear, how much a month  do you make?