Anna & Marina from Anastasia

[JohnDearGreen]

Pretty simple really... asked for money... got money... disappeared after receiving money.

Things are never that simple.  There are many flavors of scams.  For example:
a) pre-meditated
b) knee-jerk reaction
Would have to hear her side of the story.  If he irritated or provoked her, the knee-jerk reaction scam might be expected.  Question is, was she the first or second jerk? 

[Ade]

Things are never that simple.  There are many flavors of scams.  For example:
a) pre-meditated
b) knee-jerk reaction
Would have to hear her side of the story.  If he irritated or provoked her, the knee-jerk reaction scam might be expected.  Question is, was she the first or second jerk? 

There is also the fact that people will almost invariably describe themselves in a better light than warranted which can be done by either exaggerating their positives or the other parties negatives, or perhaps both. Even so, people here are still disputing if she scammed him or not... doesn't seem like a cut and dried case to me especially as there's absolutely no other corroborating "evidence". I mean, if she were a scammer, after all this time isn't it likely that her name would have been posted by at least one other victim by now and I don't see anyone posting links.

[Makkin]

   She needs to have her side of the story told in some way and if possible from her own keyboard. If she could speak here it would make a world of difference to me as I cannot form an opinion based on only his side represented here.


   From all I've seen it looks like she maybe needed money and he gave it to her. She used it for what? He gave her more money and she needed it for what? She was good to him in other areas and he agreed to that situation. Don't really know how it folded or unfolded and only know he is not happy and maybe he has reason to feel that way?


Makkin

  

[Shadow]

A professional scammer would not cut off a mark before he was unwilling to pay further.
There for if Phil is interested to tell the story, he should tell the whole story.

[Daveman]

There always comes a time when the 'scam' has run its course. In this case, it was the receiving of the second $300 installment.  She knew Phil was becoming suspicious, she knew she was not actually taking lessons, she knew she would soon be discovered so she had to bail.  Other 'marks' would throw money more freely... she got all she thought she would ever get from this 'relationship' (jewelry and some cash) and moved on to the next.

Part of the art of running a scam is understanding the breaking point of the mark -- when to bail before it gets ugly/dangerous.

It has been said here on more than one occasion that the ladies from agencies such as Anastasia *will* meet/date and even marry the 'right' man, but while she's waiting for that Prince in Shining Armor, she'll date, go to those fancy restaurants and get whatever she can from whatever guy comes along to throw his hat in the ring. 

I never said that Anna is a 'professional' scammer. If so, she's a rather inept one.. but the english lessons deal was a con/scam. If you don't like the word 'scam', then use 'con'.  Whatever the label, this wasn't on the up and up.   It was merely a cash transaction ploy.

[Faux Pas]

There always comes a time when the 'scam' has run its course. In this case, it was the receiving of the second $300 installment.  She knew Phil was becoming suspicious, she knew she was not actually taking lessons, she knew she would soon be discovered so she had to bail.  Other 'marks' would throw money more freely... she got all she thought she would ever get from this 'relationship' (jewelry and some cash) and moved on to the next.

Part of the art of running a scam is understanding the breaking point of the mark -- when to bail before it gets ugly/dangerous.

Jeezus Dave you mined a hellva lot more information out of that story than I did. Were you getting PM's we didn't know about?

 
 :noidea:

[Daveman]

Jeezus Dave you mined a hellva lot more information out of that story than I did. Were you getting PM's we didn't know about?

 
 :noidea:

LoL, yeah, I was using the Intergalactic Magic 8 Ball combined with the Psychic Hotline encompassed by the Oracle of Smellwrong.

[Gylden]

 

As Willie Nelson once sang "know when to hold em and know when to fold em"

we are certainly not talking about a "Bernie" here, but it was still down right dishonest and you can call it a scam, sham, con, lie whatever, but it was unethical of her. Who knows what else went down from either side?? Daveman, can I borrow that cosmic 8 ball whatever for a while??

[Faux Pas]

LoL, yeah, I was using the Intergalactic Magic 8 Ball combined with the Psychic Hotline encompassed by the Oracle of Smellwrong.

I see  

I might have believed my Magic 8 Ball too but all came up on it was "no fuggin way". We are in completely different camps on this one. Scam is pretty strong. How about she'd bang ole Phil until something better comes along or she'll stop when he's gotten $600 bucks worth of tail? Perhaps he got his $600 worth on his last trip and she was just trying to get him to pay his tab. Yeah thats it! Just trying to get him to pay the tab he left.

[Gylden]

Faux Pas,
Maybe you are right??
I must have read his thread wrong, I though he was trying to find a wife/partner.

It changes the whole picture if he was only trying to get a cheap prostitute. Then it depends on how many times he got laid and if she provided the condoms.

You can pick whatever words to describe her behavior you choose, but innocent, honest, sincere don't come to my mind. More like, liar, dishonest, cheat, unless as you said it was only about getting laid. Who knows?? (except for Daveman)

[facetrock]

Glyden. It was Kenny Rogers who said " Know when to hold em, know when to fold them."   

[Faux Pas]

Gylden

My remark was totally facetious yet, has as much validity as Dave's. That was the point. We could sit around until the cows coming home making up anything we want and one opinion be as valid as the next. IMHO one could use liar, dishonest, cheat to describe either of the two parties. Quite frankly neither fit for either party. Suppose for a minute that Phil did not follow through and pay the ole gal the other $300 he promised her. What would he be then? Maybe the woman did take english lessons. How the hell do we know? Maybe she was wanting Phil to pay the part he promised to?

I have little doubt the woman took lessons but, you guys calling her a scammer are taking liberties with her intentions when you haven't one slither of information to lean either way. Maybe Phil was a dud and she discovered that after she had to beg for the money he promised.

The judgement of Phil and his intentions are without a doubt given all the lead way here and the woman a scammer, tried and convicted. I say, Not so fast my friend.

[SMS60]

Just another woman who knows how to use her "woman powers" to manipulate, be it on purpose or not, men for a benefit. It was allowed to happen because a man enabled her to do it. Nothing new.

Me should realize there are some women who get excited just being in your presence. You dont have to get out you billfold and blow your horn.

[Shadow]

There are always two sides to a story.

His side: met this girl, went to expensive restaurants, made more trips then she told I need money, sent it she disappeared.

Her side : this guy visted, feels like it goes nowhere, lost interest, guy does not give up so to make him say goodbye I ask for money, the guy sends it, only way to stop the stalker is to break contact.

Because of the agency he used ( Anastasia) his side seems more likely, however there is not enough information to make it 100% sure.

[Mir]

Glyden. It was Kenny Rogers who said " Know when to hold em, know when to fold them."

Actually it was Don Schlitz

[BillyB]

I mean, if she were a scammer, after all this time isn't it likely that her name would have been posted by at least one other victim by now and I don't see anyone posting links.

Good point. At least 2 years she's been in the international dating game and IF she was playing numerous men in a scam, she would be reported by more than one man. Maybe she did devote herself to Phil since they were in a relationship but decided to dump him after he put up resistance and delays to financially helping her? She probably didn't understand the financial limits of her man but that doesn't make her a scammer.

[Gator]

Since we have Anna's and Marina's surnames, can somebody familiar with directories in Kiev or Ukraine locate them?  Phil says Anna is on Facebook.

The issue is killing me.  I can't sleep at night. 

Actually it was Don Schlitz

To be literal:

Don Schlitz first composed the words.

Kenny Rogers first sung and recorded the words.

50 million people have said the words.


So maybe a literal interpretation of Ann's actions is also needed.

[Mir]

Kenny Rogers first sung and recorded the words.

Don S and Bobby Bare both sang and recorded the song before Kenny Rogers.
Don charted at 65 with it.

[Gator]

Mir, now we know.  Is it not amazing - the more information we have, the better our understanding and the more likely we see the truth.

[Son of Clyde]

Gator, sorry to change the subject but I can't help noticing your new avatar. Looks like the Gator has an arm in its mouth. I don't think the arm has a body attached either. Or maybe I need new glasses. 

[Gator]

Gator, sorry to change the subject but I can't help noticing your new avatar. Looks like the Gator has an arm in its mouth. I don't think the arm has a body attached either. Or maybe I need new glasses. 

It is a real human arm, belonging to an unfortunate golfer who lost it while retreiving a ball from the water.  I spare you the more graphic photos.  I felt that it signified my current situation and name better than the one of me in a Russian soldier's uniform.

[Ade]

It is a real human arm, belonging to an unfortunate golfer who lost it while retreiving a ball from the water.  I spare you the more graphic photos.  I felt that it signified my current situation and name better than the one of me in a Russian soldier's uniform.

Actually... http://www.hoax-slayer.com/alligator-takes-golfer-arm.shtml

[Faux Pas]

If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times, my ball retriever is the best investment in my bag.

[Gator]

Actually...

Ah, the always exacting SeriouslyJaded.  Considering that you reside in Norway, I will give you more facts about these overgrown lizards.

You are correct, the arm in the photo is from a man wearing wet suit shorts, hardly the attire for playing golf.  And Berkely County is not the location where a golfer did lose his arm reaching for his ball.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2009/10/09/133552/golfer-loses-arm-to-alligator.html

That story reports the golfer's arm was torn off at the elbow, while the arm in my avatar was taken off at the shoulder.

And here is a related story that I know is true because it happened at my golf club in April 2008 (and we had been avoiding that gator for a couple of months).  April is a time when the gators are mating and very dangerous.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/apr/28/me-golf-ball-diver-tells-of-gators-attack/

A good video clip about removing an 800-lb (360-kg) gator from a residential area.  The people sound just like Faux Pas and GreginGa. 

The one trapper says that the gator came right up to him and ate the chicken trappers typically use to ensnare gators.  That is too friendly of a gator. 
 http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/05/08/800.lb.alligator.caught.wlox?iref=allsearch

I can get photos of gators humping if you wish.

[kievstar]

Sounds like the guy who got bit disturbed the alligators family.  Gartors are very tame and do more hissing than action. 

I went on an alligator hunt a couple of weeks ago in Louisiana for a team building event at work.  Gators are dangerous in water but the transition to water to land is not favorable for them.  They were very calm when we were wading near them, however, once they knew what we were up to their behavior changed quickly. 

Tigers love to watch water dry up with crocodiles in Africa and than kill them when they have no water.

Going after a golf ball is just stupid.  Gator almost did the world a favor by eating this guy.  Right or wrong I like to see the animal kingdom win when people do stupid things.