why are Russian/Ukrainian women so greedy and materialistic??My thoughts on RW u

[brad5959]

My thoughts on RW using the word "greedy".  first of all, I thought that russian women are supposed to be so educated and intelligent.  if that is the case, than why can't they comprehend the proper meaning of the word??  and why do they so often misuse and abuse the word, in particular in reference to western men??  let's get something straight.  Vladimir Putin and his KGB/Mafia cronies, who rule russian society and politics, are corrupt and greedy.  the multi millionaire and billionaire types of Russia and Ukraine, who have ripped off entire industries for pennies on the dollars, are greedy.  the corrupt politicians and policemen looking for bribes, are greedy.  the overfed russians and ukrainians, who cannot or will not feed the thousands of homeless cats and dogs in every russian or ukrainian city, are greedy. 
On the other hand, an average american guy, who spends thousands of dollars to get to Ukraine or Russia, and needs to make it there for 14 days or more with enough food, water and shelter, is NOT greedy OR stingy, he is merely frugal and prudent.  and after he was plied with letters from his sweetheart or sweethearts, about how they are looking for their "beloved" man, their "favorite" man, their "real" man, etc etc. blah blah blah, they ought to have the respect and decency to meet him on a first date for just coffee, a glass of wine, or a reasonably priced lunch or dinner.  women who expect a guy to spend $100.00 or more on a first date, are the ones who are actually greedy--greedy, selfish, and materialistic.  in fact since you like to use the word so much, why don't you put it where it really belongs--in your profile.  such as:  "greedy, materialistic, selfish, self centered woman, seeks a man who will wine and dine her in expensive restaurants on a first date, and/or take me on a shopping trip for a new wardrobe, even though I am a complete liar and have no romantic intentions whatsoever".  on the other hand, I believe if she is truly interested in the man, as she stated in her dozens of letters, than he should buy her some groceries and let her cook him a nice dinner, maybe with candle light, and than give him a full body massage after dinner to help him relax from his 22 hours of combined flight time to go and visit the wonderful, special, educated, intelligent, romantic, passionate, honest, faithful russian/ukrainian woman!!

[kievstar]

Your putting a price on a first date and how much you will spend on them.  Be careful linking women to a $ figure.

Not sure you really understand greedy. 

[SMS60]

My thoughts on RW using the word "greedy". 

 first of all, I thought that russian women are supposed to be so educated and intelligent.  if that is the case, than why can't they comprehend the proper meaning of the word??  and why do they so often misuse and abuse the word, in particular in reference to western men?? 

let's get something straight.  Vladimir Putin and his KGB/Mafia cronies, who rule russian society and politics, are corrupt and greedy.  the multi millionaire and billionaire types of Russia and Ukraine, who have ripped off entire industries for pennies on the dollars, are greedy.  the corrupt politicians and policemen looking for bribes, are greedy.  the overfed russians and ukrainians, who cannot or will not feed the thousands of homeless cats and dogs in every russian or ukrainian city, are greedy. 

On the other hand, an average american guy, who spends thousands of dollars to get to Ukraine or Russia, and needs to make it there for 14 days or more with enough food, water and shelter, is NOT greedy OR stingy, he is merely frugal and prudent. 

and after he was plied with letters from his sweetheart or sweethearts, about how they are looking for their "beloved" man, their "favorite" man, their "real" man, etc etc. blah blah blah, they ought to have the respect and decency to meet him on a first date for just coffee, a glass of wine, or a reasonably priced lunch or dinner.  women who expect a guy to spend $100.00 or more on a first date, are the ones who are actually greedy--greedy, selfish, and materialistic. 

in fact since you like to use the word so much, why don't you put it where it really belongs--in your profile.  such as:  "greedy, materialistic, selfish, self centered woman, seeks a man who will wine and dine her in expensive restaurants on a first date, and/or take me on a shopping trip for a new wardrobe, even though I am a complete liar and have no romantic intentions whatsoever". 

on the other hand, I believe if she is truly interested in the man, as she stated in her dozens of letters, than he should buy her some groceries and let her cook him a nice dinner, maybe with candle light, and than give him a full body massage after dinner to help him relax from his 22 hours of combined flight time to go and visit the wonderful, special, educated, intelligent, romantic, passionate, honest, faithful russian/ukrainian woman!!

I took the liberty to edit for easier reading. Just broke it apart

[brad5959]

yes, I understand it completely, in the american and english language and cultural versions.  I am not a former resident of the Ukraine or Russia like you, who thinks that spending $250.00 on a first date is acceptable, I think you just want to look like a bigshot.  my point is that a russian woman respects her american date, she will realize that he was generous with both his time and his money to travel so far and to spend so much getting there, that she will not expect extravagant dinner dates on a first date.  that's why we have these stories of scammers and pro daters, which are not productive to either sincere and honest party in this endeavor.  I am sure that I or any other normal american man has no problem taking her on an excellent dinner date after they have a romantic commitment with each other, or perhaps after an engagement.  until than there is really no reason to spend large sums of money on a first date.

[Faux Pas]

The class of women you seek is directly related to the class of woman you find

[kievstar]

Tell me in 2 sentences what greedy means from your words and not a dictionary.  You have not defined it on your posts in this thread.  You keep putting price on things.  Not saying you do not know what it means but your coming across as putting price on things.  You said once you have a romantic commitment you will spend more money and no reason to spend much on first date.  This does not sound very good and try saying this to a woman on any first date and see what happens.

A man controls where he takes a date.  How many times did a women get pissed at you because of your first date dinner bill?   If more than 1 time, you need to look at yourself and date women more in your league (looks, education, interests, etc).  Your picking the wrong type of woman.

$250 is never someone being a big shot in Ukraine or USA.  

[brad5959]

I seek a class of women who are down to earth and appreciate the value of money--not just for a first dinner date, but respect for someone who travels 8,000 miles to go to meet them.  and I do believe that there are respectful and careful russian/ukrainian women.  

I am just tired of the ones who completely misuse the word "greedy".  so I am just pointing out that the tables can easily be turned with regards to that word, and many of these women should just look in the mirror to see a physical manifestation of the word.

[Ade]

yes, I understand it completely, in the american and english language and cultural versions.  I am not a former resident of the Ukraine or Russia like you, who thinks that spending $250.00 on a first date is acceptable, I think you just want to look like a bigshot.  my point is that a russian woman respects her american date, she will realize that he was generous with both his time and his money to travel so far and to spend so much getting there, that she will not expect extravagant dinner dates on a first date.  that's why we have these stories of scammers and pro daters, which are not productive to either sincere and honest party in this endeavor.  I am sure that I or any other normal american man has no problem taking her on an excellent dinner date after they have a romantic commitment with each other, or perhaps after an engagement.  until than there is really no reason to spend large sums of money on a first date.

So your date should fall over herself to be grateful just because you managed to turn up?   It's your choice to go off dating internationally, if the cost is prohibitive don't do it and stop trying to make out like you're doing RW a favour just for showing up.

[Blues Fairy]

after he was plied with letters from his sweetheart or sweethearts, about how they are looking for their "beloved" man, their "favorite" man, their "real" man, etc etc. blah blah blah, they ought to have the respect and decency

If this man expects "respect and decency" from the women who write such letters having never met him before, than he fully deserves to be ripped off on his first date(s).  Stupid is as stupid does.

[brad5959]

Kievstar, you need to re-read my original post.  I used 7 sentances to describe what I feel is greedy.  and the last woman I dated in Ukraine was very happy with our restaurant choices.  one time I wanted to take her to an Italian restaurant, and she refused, saying that it was too expensive.  so we went to our favorite restaurant where the bill was usually about $50 to $60 dollars.  so there are women who like a guy for who his personality is, and not just that he can spend X amount of dollars on a date.  and yes, she actually cooked for me on our first meeting which was really sweet of her.  

and yes, I do think a woman should appreciate you if you travel so far to see her.  there are romantic things to do than just an expensive dinner.  a walk through a nice park, a visit to a historic church, a visit to a beautiful castle, a fireplace with a fire in the evening and some shared wine on the sofa, these are all things which the right woman can appreciate as being romantic.

[GregfromGa]

I agree with Brad. I've dated 2 ladies seriously in Ukraine. Both would be absolutely miserable to spend over $30 or $40 on dinner when a home cooked dinner wouldve sufficed. The frugal ones are out there but you just have to find them. The frugal ones are probably more often than not if truth be told and you get out of Kiev and the bigger city agency girls. A guy can find out pretty quick what he's dealing with if he offers to just cook some in the flat. The good ones will join in and appreciate the effort.

[mialia]

So your date should fall over herself to be grateful just because you managed to turn up?   It's your choice to go off dating internationally, if the cost is prohibitive don't do it and stop trying to make out like you're doing RW a favour just for showing up.

thank you very much for this post !!!!

[brad5959]

Blues Fairy--I have been speaking rhetorically.  I know these things have happened to other guys, but I have not had that misfortune.  I read the story about Mars spending $150.00 on a first date, who promptly dumped him and he never saw her again.  did he really deserve that??  more likely the woman who did it will get her karma, and never find a happy or satisfying relationship, because she is a greedy materialistic shallow person.
that is the whole point of my post--to show the misuse of the word "greedy" by some RW, and the fact that it really applies to some of them.

[sjg-uk]

Brad5959
Sorry you feel the way you do, this sounds like the same old story of a Western guy getting ripped off by a Dating Agency scammer again. Do you know most of the Ukrainian sites are owned and managed by guys based in America and Russia !!
There are lots of sites where you can meet Ukrainian ladies of all ages directly and exchange your email and Skype details. There is no need to sign up for expensive fees.
I only have experience with the site that I used, which was club10.com - I found it excellent and full of genuine ladies. I am now married to one of them and now live in Ukraine as well.
In my experience , Russian ladies are alot different to Ukrainian, the Ukrainians are far nicer in many ways.
Yes there is cash bribes in the system here, but that can be an advantage - you just need to learn the system ! There are many things here that are alot better than Western Europe.
It has been said many , many times , just keep your eyes wide open and have think before you part with your cash - if you can't afford to spend it, then don't !!
THERE ARE LOADS OF GENUINE LADIES IN UKRAINE WAITING TO FIND A GENUINE WESTERN GUY - my advise , stay clear of the Agencies !!!

[Ade]

thank you very much for this post !!!!

Unfortunately I think Brad's attitude is not uncommon when it comes to feelings of entitlement just because he got on a plane.

[Blues Fairy]

Blues Fairy--I have been speaking rhetorically.  I know these things have happened to other guys, but I have not had that misfortune. 

You didn't get my point then.  I was talking about your expectations of decency from women who write you shallow idiotic letters full of romantic bullshit.  

That there are greedy shallow women out there nobody argues.  The trick is not to run into them.  But if you keep running into them and then complaining that they are shallow and greedy, then who's the stupid one?

[Misha]

My wife is pretty much the antithesis of the women you describe. I spent very little while dating. Even now she doesn't need expensive gifts, a small gift from the heart is appreciated as much as expensive gifts.

[Aloe]

My thoughts on RW using the word "greedy".  first of all, I thought that russian women are supposed to be so educated and intelligent.  if that is the case, than why can't they comprehend the proper meaning of the word??  and why do they so often misuse and abuse the word, in particular in reference to western men??  let's get something straight.  Vladimir Putin and his KGB/Mafia cronies, who rule russian society and politics, are corrupt and greedy.  the multi millionaire and billionaire types of Russia and Ukraine, who have ripped off entire industries for pennies on the dollars, are greedy.  the corrupt politicians and policemen looking for bribes, are greedy.  the overfed russians and ukrainians, who cannot or will not feed the thousands of homeless cats and dogs in every russian or ukrainian city, are greedy. 
On the other hand, an average american guy, who spends thousands of dollars to get to Ukraine or Russia, and needs to make it there for 14 days or more with enough food, water and shelter, is NOT greedy OR stingy, he is merely frugal and prudent.  and after he was plied with letters from his sweetheart or sweethearts, about how they are looking for their "beloved" man, their "favorite" man, their "real" man, etc etc. blah blah blah, they ought to have the respect and decency to meet him on a first date for just coffee, a glass of wine, or a reasonably priced lunch or dinner.  women who expect a guy to spend $100.00 or more on a first date, are the ones who are actually greedy--greedy, selfish, and materialistic.  in fact since you like to use the word so much, why don't you put it where it really belongs--in your profile.  such as:  "greedy, materialistic, selfish, self centered woman, seeks a man who will wine and dine her in expensive restaurants on a first date, and/or take me on a shopping trip for a new wardrobe, even though I am a complete liar and have no romantic intentions whatsoever".  on the other hand, I believe if she is truly interested in the man, as she stated in her dozens of letters, than he should buy her some groceries and let her cook him a nice dinner, maybe with candle light, and than give him a full body massage after dinner to help him relax from his 22 hours of combined flight time to go and visit the wonderful, special, educated, intelligent, romantic, passionate, honest, faithful russian/ukrainian woman!!

your attitude sounds like "here i am, entertain me and conquer me, only after that i'll make an effort". Surely, some women will go for that. But many women expect to be "conquered" and swept off their feet by a man, not the other way around

[kievstar]

A woman saying a restaurant is to expensive is fine nothing wrong with that if a man chooses that restaurant.  

Regarding Mars maybe Mars was a jerk during the meeting.  Maybe he was bragging about his house, car, etc  We do not know.  But whether he paid $1 or $10,000 it does not matter.  Do not put a price tag on dating.  Gia Kiev an escort site in Kiev has prices on first dates.  

Whatever you spend on a first date is your choice.  How much time you spend or money you spent to travel to get to first date is your choice.  Do not expect any woman to feel they owe you anything.  To many times men count how much they spent and compare it to the results.

American men whether the realize it or not set themselves up for failure when they talk about owning houses, cars, and there great job.  Than spend $30 on dinner.  Rule of advise do not talk about material things if your not going to spend freely.

[mialia]

Kievstar, you need to re-read my original post.  I used 7 sentances to describe what I feel is greedy.  and the last woman I dated in Ukraine was very happy with our restaurant choices.  one time I wanted to take her to an Italian restaurant, and she refused, saying that it was too expensive.  so we went to our favorite restaurant where the bill was usually about $50 to $60 dollars.  so there are women who like a guy for who his personality is, and not just that he can spend X amount of dollars on a date.  and yes, she actually cooked for me on our first meeting which was really sweet of her.  

and yes, I do think a woman should appreciate you if you travel so far to see her.  there are romantic things to do than just an expensive dinner.  a walk through a nice park, a visit to a historic church, a visit to a beautiful castle, a fireplace with a fire in the evening and some shared wine on the sofa, these are all things which the right woman can appreciate as being romantic.

I'll say, you are blaming a lemon for being sour, which is absolutely useless thing to do, as even you will blame it for ages - it will still stay sour.... )) so, if you want something sweet - just don't take a lemon. simple )))))

listen to the people here, they are all saying right things to you and the primary thing is - date the women from your league ONLY! why don't you ask the woman before to date her how does she like to spend her time: cooking and staying home or dining out? why don't you ask her how does she imagine her ideal date and what does she expect from the first date with you?
so when you get the answer - you know if you are suitable for each other.

also, explain please: if the first date is too early for the nice restaurant, so why it is not that early for the full-body-massage???????????

[brad5959]

Blues Fairy, I am not, and I do not keep running into shallow greedy type of girls.  I have been very fortunate and careful in my choices.  could it happen in the future??  maybe, maybe not.  my point; and my argument is about the misuse of the word "greedy" by some RW, and the fact that I believe they need to look in the mirror before they use that word!!

[Aloe]

im not saying that you should go and spend all your money on first date. But expecting romantic massages and a home cooked meal from basically a strange woman is a bit too much i think? Unless you spent the last year chatting through IM, then you are less of strangers, but still..

[Aloe]

Blues Fairy, I am not, and I do not keep running into shallow greedy type of girls.  I have been very fortunate and careful in my choices.  could it happen in the future??  maybe, maybe not.  my point; and my argument is about the misuse of the word "greedy" by some RW, and the fact that I believe they need to look in the mirror before they use that word!!

It was explained on this forum before, that russian dictionaries translate greed from english as "stinginess", so when a russian woman says greedy, most likely she means stingy. Look in any dictionary, i guarantee, all of them translate greedy as stingy

[mialia]

A woman saying a restaurant is to expensive is fine nothing wrong with that if a man chooses that restaurant.  

Regarding Mars maybe Mars was a jerk during the meeting.  Maybe he was bragging about his house, car, etc  We do not know.  But whether he paid $1 or $10,000 it does not matter.  Do not put a price tag on dating.  Gia Kiev an escort site in Kiev has prices on first dates.  

Whatever you spend on a first date is your choice.  How much time you spend or money you spent to travel to get to first date is your choice.  Do not expect any woman to feel they owe you anything.  To many times men count how much they spent and compare it to the results.

American men whether the realize it or not set themselves up for failure when they talk about owning houses, cars, and there great job.  Than spend $30 on dinner.  Rule of advise do not talk about material things if your not going to spend freely.

    totally agree

[brad5959]

Aloe, I was being very sarcastic at the end of that post.  of course women like men who sweep them off their feet, and that is what I intend with the right lady.  but I also believe it should be mutual.  mutual respect, mutual attraction, etc.

many of you are simply missing the point--and that is that I believe the word "greedy" is misused by RW, and I deliberately have turned the tables to the perspective of many, many american men regarding this word, etc.