ML and Ukrainian Women.

[Larry1]

My Beloved Ochka is now gone from me.

For many complicated reasons, it is quite likely we shall never see each other again.

Sorry to hear that, ML.  I suppose this just highlights how fragile these relationships tend to be. They can end because of any of the reasons domestic relationships end, plus a host of other reasons particular to international relationships.

My hatred for the 'Russian Soul' grows stronger with each minute.

I can imagine that.

[Gator]

I am in shock.  It was a sudden move.  She gave up (temporarily) a man who loves her and the award of her MS degree.  I say "temporarily" because things will change, and I anticipate her return when the dust eventually settles and a fluid situation stabilizes.  Keep your chin up, and hats off to Ochka's patriotism.     

[Wayne]

I am really sorry to hear about your trouble. Don't give up hope!

[Muzh]

Stop crying over your beer.
 
Get on a goddamn plane and be with her.

[GQBlues]

Stop crying over your beer.
 
Get on a goddamn plane and be with her.

 

Hell yeah! My thoughts exactly....ML should've been on that plane with her to begin with. I haven't commented on this thread about this recent development as yet since I first wanted to wait until Air Supply stopped playing on the radio and the violin brigade passed by.

[Muzh]

Hell yeah! My thoughts exactly....ML should've been on that plane with her to begin with. I haven't commented on this thread about this recent development as yet since I first wanted to wait until Air Supply stopped playing on the radio and the violin brigade passed by.

[Slumba]

Stop crying over your beer.
 
Get on a goddamn plane and be with her.

That is actually a pretty good idea.  And ML you have contacts and the ability to get things done, I bet you could help out majorly in some way.

[Gator]

Get on a goddamn plane and be with her.

Very noble.  The gender reversal of a Decembrist wife who followed her husband after the 19th C rebellion failed.  Some wives went into exile with their husbands, others went to his place of incarceration. 

One difference, ML's woman is neither exiled nor incarcerated (yet).   What can ML do while there?  Being a man, maybe ML can take up arms,  singing Ukrainian patriotic songs around campfires at night.  Or maybe he becomes a frontline journalist.   

How many of you guys would do that?  Having been in armed conflict (without ever firing my weapon), I would not. 

My guess is that the transition will be bloodless, followed by a very long period of unresolved posturing.   ML could go there for a month or two and hang out in her apartment, but what if ML's woman decides not to return to the USA?

 

[ML]

For many complicated reasons, it is quite likely we shall never see each other again.

Give this a little thought fella's.

It certainly involves the impossibility of my going to Ukraine.

Why?  Well give that some thought also.

And I recently have supplied very substantial monetary support to a medical facility in Ukraine.

[Faux Pas]

Give this a little thought fella's.

It certainly involves the impossibility of my going to Ukraine.

Why?  Well give that some thought also.

And I recently have supplied very substantial monetary support to a medical facility in Ukraine.

Regardless of what these others proclaim, I don't blame you. I wouldn't go either. She made a decision that you'll both live with whether you reunite or not. Love her, support her, wish her well. But, if I were you, I'd be doing it from the home-20. She come back if she's wants. Maybe if she does, you'll make an honest woman of her?

[GQBlues]

Give this a little thought fella's.

It certainly involves the impossibility of my going to Ukraine.

Why?  Well give that some thought also.

And I recently have supplied very substantial monetary support to a medical facility in Ukraine.

I'm not aware of your personal situation that would make the 'idea' an impossibility for you.

There definitely is some projections there from my vantage point to yours.

Me, being me, myself and I. My being 'there' close to her, especially in this particular time and place, is likely worth a helluva more than unleashing my uncanny abilities and abundance of skill and subjecting each of these Russian marauders from ever advancing one step closer from where they came from with one swift, eye-blinding fast  sexy whirly fury.

No, of course not. That wouldn't be fair to Putin. So that isn't the point.

Your Ochka deciding to go is a *natural* response for someone who cares about people in their lives. Had she been my wife and found the urgency to go, and me being in the same *state*, life-wise as you - a billionaire, and don't need to work and stick around to make sure I'm home to donate a premium on Obama(s)care - I would've been on that plane with her and wouldn't find myself having the need to blow the dust off an Air Supply CD and cozy up with a glass of wine at home, alone.

"I'm lying alone with my head on the phone...thinking of you till it hurts..."

I'm not taking anything away from you, but it's something I would do per like situations.

[jone]

Hell,

Obviously there is more in play then Putin's misdeeds.  I can understand that.  I hope you all can, too.  However, what GQ and Muzh and Slumba all have to say has some merit. 

If it were me, and my gal left me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't be crying into my cups.  Hop on a plane and go help in your own way - maybe not even letting Ochka know that you are doing it until it is already a done deed.

But, then, we are not you.  There may be other things in play that we know absolutely nothing about.  For all we know, you encouraged her leaving and did so for unselfish reasons.  If that is the case, you have all of our support.

[Faux Pas]

Regardless of what these others proclaim, I don't blame you. I wouldn't go either. She made a decision that you'll both live with whether you reunite or not. Love her, support her, wish her well. But, if I were you, I'd be doing it from the home-20. She come back if she's wants. Maybe if she does, you'll make an honest woman of her?

Yeahhhhh I guess not 

[Gator]

Yeahhhhh I guess not 

Maybe ML deserves some slack.  He was the confirmed bachelor for years (decades?).  His mission in life was to enable G-spot orgasms. 

Then we read here his two-year metamorphosis.  He fell in love.  It was not the ML of old.  He was building a life with her, even buying property. 


And  poof!   ..... She's gone. 

Even if Ochka returned, the forefront of his mind will say, "You left me when I thought the two of us had something very special." 

Back to the G-spot campaign. 

[Muzh]

But, then, we are not you.  There may be other things in play that we know absolutely nothing about.  For all we know, you encouraged her leaving and did so for unselfish reasons.  If that is the case, you have all of our support.

Maybe the statue of limitations in Ukraine is short? 

[Faux Pas]

Maybe ML deserves some slack.  He was the confirmed bachelor for years (decades?).  His mission in life was to enable G-spot orgasms. 

Then we read here his two-year metamorphosis.  He fell in love.  It was not the ML of old.  He was building a life with her, even buying property. 


And  poof!   ..... She's gone. 

Even if Ochka returned, the forefront of his mind will say, "You left me when I thought the two of us had something very special." 

Back to the G-spot campaign.

Maybe he does, maybe not. I'm not speculating either way. I hope it turns out for him the way he wants it to. I do wish him the best. I'm not drilling or condemning him.

However, I'm not buying the forlorn heartbroken puppy bit. By all of ML's accounts on these boards Ochka was a wonderful woman. She and ML enjoyed each other very much. It would not be surprising to me at least, that she may have been looking for something more. Didn't get it or find it and returned to Ukraine. I'm relatively sure ML has his reasons why he chose to remain single with such a good woman in his life. I too, made that same choice a couple of times albeit with AW.

Maybe she did feel a streak of patriotism or maybe she didn't see the relationship progressing enough to please her. C'est la vie

[Muzh]

I'm relatively sure ML has his reasons why he chose to remain single with such a good woman in his life.
 

I almost 100% sure it was the bread.

[ML]

As usual, some are veering off into fantasy land with their proclamations of what happened.

But a review of my past posting and careful reading of current posting should help those who want to actually keep the story in focus.

I posted back in December that Ochka had cancelled a long planned for trip at Christmas.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11839.msg350901#msg350901

This current trip was originally planned to be nothing other than a replacement for that cancelled December trip.

Ochka had planned for a trip last Christmas, and had (since that time) already been planning for this trip as a replacement for the missed Christmas trip.  But the recent events caused this trip and the outlook for our future to take a terrible turn.

It was the Russian invasion that changed everything.

But, it is likely that my statement was a little bit over the top, in my state at the time I posted the below.

Quote from: ML on March 11, 2014, 06:28:21 PM   For many complicated reasons, it is quite likely we shall never see each other again.

As for marriage, it is understandable given the vast majority of situations here that most cannot comprehend the idea of non-marriage because it is a necessity for getting the gals here (or at least allowing them to stay.)

But think a little out of the box, and factor in Ochka's unique situation.
She has a small  fortune in money of her own . . . she doesn't need mine.
She is here on a student visa and doesn't need to get married to stay here.
She has passed PhD qualifying exams and could get another visa for 5 years if she wanted.
As a masters graduate in a STEM area, she can get a USA work permit and extensions good for 29 months.
During this 29 months, she can quite likely get into the H1B visa situation good for 5-7 years.
Many in the H1B category are successful in getting change of status to permanent green card.
Several bills in Congress (none passed yet) will give green cards to those with masters or PhD from USA universities in STEM areas.

As there are many divorced persons here . . . all should agree that marriage is not the ideal situation for men or women.

Only the necessity to get married to keep your gals here is what focuses you on the goal of marriage.  Plus the desire for child and spouse protection if children are planned.

I bet that many (most) of you guys here would be ecstatic if you could have your current or planned gals here on a permanent basis . . . without marriage.

Oh but wait . . . we must hear from the Saints.   

[Faux Pas]

As usual, some are veering off into fantasy land with their proclamations of what happened.

But a review of my past posting and careful reading of current posting should help those who want to actually keep the story in focus.

I posted back in December that Ochka had cancelled a long planned for trip at Christmas.

No actually ML it is what you posted more recently that tends to be taken as more current

My Beloved Ochka is now gone from me.

For many complicated reasons, it is quite likely we shall never see each other again.

She has been in serious turmoil for several months over the situation in Ukraine, and it has gotten worse in the past several weeks, of course.

Ochka has close relatives who have been called up from reserves to active military, and she fears for their lives.

She, like most other Ukrainian women, took required nursing courses during her University education.  And she now feels that she should take refresher courses and volunteer for this type of duty.  She wants to stand arm to arm with other women who will try to prevent bloodshed when invaders attack the Ukrainian men.

Ochka was within two months of finishing her coursework for a masters degree.  Because she was a top student, the University and her professors have agreed to let her complete exams via Internet connections (take exams during Skype sessions, etc.).  But, there is some doubt that she will actually be able to keep up with the needed study, etc.

I have been totally sick and heartbroken since she left early this morning; and haven't been able to eat anything yet. 

She has called from two airports and has uncontrolled sobbing from being apart from me; and wonders what is actually the correct action to take.

Ochka had planned for a trip last Christmas, and had (since that time) already been planning for this trip as a replacement for the missed Christmas trip.  But the recent events caused this trip and the outlook for our future to take a terrible turn.

My hatred for the 'Russian Soul' grows stronger with each minute.

Your words ML, not mine

So which is it? She leaves you, a PHD degree in which she has worked so hard, a condo in Ireland, A happy fulfilled a breadless life, possible future (or not) with you to be a nurse on the front lines of a war that hasn't yet happened in Ukraine. Yeah, okay, I'll buy it 

[lonedrake]

As usual, some are veering off into fantasy land with their proclamations of what happened.

There is a good way to stop this. Just tell what the complications are. Its not like you don't have the time or any subject between you two is to personal.

Sure you could lie.....but I have never believed thats how you roll.

[Gator]

As there are many divorced persons here . . . all should agree that marriage is not the ideal situation for men or women.

Only the necessity to get married to keep your gals here is what focuses you on the goal of marriage.  Plus the desire for child and spouse protection if children are planned.

I bet that many (most) of you guys here would be ecstatic if you could have your current or planned gals here on a permanent basis . . . without marriage.

Oh but wait . . . we must hear from the Saints.   

I am no Saint yet I still disagree.  And I have multiple divorces.  The divorces do not bother me because they are part of what got me to where I am today.   And I am happy today, and have been for 99.9% of my life. 

I have many friends and deem myself a reasonable observer of life.  I can state unequivocally that my married friends are the happiest (on average as there are some outliers on both sides).

Regarding me, I am a family man and I rejoice in the sense of commitment I derive from being married.  Its called going "all in."

I hypothesize that if you and Ochka were married, the odds would increase that you would see her again. 

Not to worry, there are plenty of fish in the sea, and you seem capable of finding fine female companionship in an arrangement that suits you.  Keep in mind that one day you will outlive your penis and will still want something profoundly rich that involves a life partner, presumably a woman.  Why not find that now and keep it?!   The alternative is to die in your own piss and shit.   

[dogspot]

As there are many divorced persons here . . . all should agree that marriage is not the ideal situation for men or women.

Being married to my wife and having just brought our first child into this world eight weeks ago, I can honestly say that I feel my life, my marriage is ideal.

Only the necessity to get married to keep your gals here is what focuses you on the goal of marriage.  Plus the desire for child and spouse protection if children are planned.

Nope. I was absolutely, 100% positive I wanted to marry my wife before I proposed. She is as fine a woman as they come and I was not going to let her get away.

I bet that many (most) of you guys here would be ecstatic if you could have your current or planned gals here on a permanent basis . . . without marriage.

This is true for most. I will agree that it would've been nice to bring my wife here before we made the decision to marry. But she wouldn't have agreed. Not to live anyway. She was happy with her life in Russia and never planned to live anywhere but there. But even bringing her here for a visit and to meet my friends and family would have been advantageous.

[Muzh]

I bet that many (most) of you guys here would be ecstatic if you could have your current or planned gals here on a permanent basis . . . without marriage.

Oh but wait . . . we must hear from the Saints.   

I just saw this thanks to DogSpot.
 
I am foolish in this respect. I like being married. I enjoy the married life. I means much to me.
 
I was single until I was 37. I can claim I lost count of how many and not care what people would think because I know I'm not exaggerating.
 
AND in all honesty, I don't miss it. At all!!!
 
After 14 years, I'm thrilled coming home to my wife.
 
But then again, that's just me. 

[ML]

Ochka is now saying she cannot be away from me.

She is hoping the situation in Ukraine continues to cool a bit, so that she can return to USA without feeling like she abandoned Ukraine in its moment of need.

And her parents are STRONGLY urging her to go back to USA.

[mies]

OMG - - - It finally happened.  After suppressing her desire for two and a half years, Ochka finally wanted those dreaded $400 deal-breaker leather boots!!

But the good news . . . she ordered and paid for them herself.
I didn't even know about her purchase until she modeled them for me.

And no, she does not wear that miniskirt to school or anywhere outside our property.  The ones she wears to school are much shorter.

Ochka should visit TJ Maxx stores more often, especially the ones that have "Runway" department.
Only $150, discounted from $800+, designer, french-made, leather lining and soles, non-slip rubber inserts on soles: