Kindness in scamming...

[seraphimangel]

It's pretty amazing... after talking to a girl in Nikolaev for a few months... we were talking almost every other day, skyping 2-3 times a week and generally very kind to each other. 

We would have random tiffs, but ultimately lately she turned cold and told me I really upset her.  I had/have no idea what I did to upset her.  She just started ignoring my calls, no longer responding to emails or texts... it just went dead cold.

I called again and she answered and said "I do not wish to speak to you any longer"...

This seems really bizarre to me, recently I sent her some shoes she liked and some chocolates she seemed to love.  No biggie, neither thing cost anything significant.

But after talking for months that often, and her telling me she wanted me to visit and go no where else but her city... this seemed really odd.

I talked to her and she admitted the full details of her work at the agency, her payment, her almost 60 older males she speaks to, how she has no intent of seriously dating anyone.. and how she says that I'm too good of a guy to treat like them and that's why she spoke to me outside of the system.  She also said that knowing me makes it hard to keep doing what she does and is conflicted. 

I said, I don't care what you do... I just like our friendship.  She said she likes our friendship too and misses it, but it takes a lot of her time, she talks to me instead of doing work which pays her, and she is too young to talk to someone who may want something serious.  She is also afraid sometimes because she feels like she wants to like me, but thinks it's stupid to do so.

She said it's better for her to say good bye.  In any event, I've learned a lot about this business from her.  The lies in her profile, the lies of 3 more girls she told me about on the system and what age/smoking/real life situations are different from what's advertised as well as her own. 

I'm amazed. 

Since then, I've gone ahead and met a handful of people all over the Ukraine through websites not meant for dating and learned a lot about Ukraine.  I have a male friend now who is a local DJ at a club in Niko.  He told me about the situation there and what it's really like.  I have a female friend in Kherson who is just a friend who asked me to stay at her place when I go, it would save me money and if I time it right, she'll show me the Crimea, Kherson, Odessa...

I'm really amazed, I don't think I'll be using dating sites anymore... but I do think I'll go there at some point.  And since I know phone/addy... I may call her if I'm in town just to say "Hello".. and leave.

Quite an interesting experience, it was worth the thousands paid, just to learn all this, before even going... I would have wasted more going and being a fool... at least this way.. it's just a little money.. and not entirely a waste of time.

I think she was being honest, either that or stupid, because she gave me emails telling me details of their operations, many names, positions at local agency, and the scam system.  I think I know 100x more than I knew a couple of months ago. 

[Gator]

The reason that you liked this Nikolaev dyev is the same reason explaining why she is good at her scamming job.  The vulgar talk, etc. enticed  the 60 older men to keep coming back for more private time with her.

It sounds like you are developing the skeptical wisdom to take a trip.  Combine that with you flair for life, and you will do fine with the ladies.  Contrary to your experience, there are sincere women in Ukraine.

Many around here can say "I told you so" about the A Web agency.  Try the reputable dating sites and agencies.  Hint:  the percentage of beautiful women in the catalog is lower. 

What is the story behind your new female friend who will let you crash in Kherson and then show you southern Ukraine?  Seems odd.  Do you want to waste your time hanging out with someone for whom you have no interest?

[seraphimangel]

Just seems like a more likely and honest way to be in Ukraine and meet people.  I've used academic and different travel sites to meet people who are not necessarily interested in dating ...

I've always found it very easy to meet people through friends, they always introduce me to people without me asking.... Plus I feel more comfortable going to a strange country (whose language I don't speak) to visit a friend, at least for the first time. Plus, my male friend in Niko explained a lot of the issues in Niko and said that he'd introduce me to people as well, good ones who aren't on these sites.  He said, don't touch any website like that, the girls who use it are bottom of the barrel and there are too many pretty girls here to limit yourself to the bad ones.  He said that I'd meet tons of wonderful beautiful girls in Niko, they just aren't the ones looking to leave the country.  So, to expect fun, but not marriage, if I get lucky and something special happens, then consider myself lucky. =) Also seems an honest approach...

I'd be more comfortable having friends waiting for me.  Just seems a good first attempt to Ukraine.... I imagine I'd be going there a dozen times in my life, if this was  a path I wanted to take seriously in the future... and I think it'd be easier for me to decide that, if I saw first hand what I'm in for anyhow... it's recon work =)

[Jack]

Seraphimangel, I have met and spoke with several young women who work for Dream Marriage, Hot Russian Bride and Army of Brides.  These women earn anywhere from $800 to $1500 a month depending on how much they work. All had computers and video cameras at there flat, provided by the agencies.

The women get a percentage of the video cam profit, sending/receiving emails, flowers, flats the men may rent.  Each of the women are told they MUST meet with any man they have talk to over video cam at least one meeting.  If not they will be terminated. All the women have said they have met the men they talked with on video chat who came to her city for the required one meeting. Then  they would get ill, or a family member would get ill, or she would have to leave town. Many varied excuses for not being able to have a second meeting.  

I have asked several of these women if I could quote them, not one will let me. Maybe it's because the money is so good, maybe they are concerned for their safety.  One day one of these women will let me quote her directly and publicly.  Until then I can only tell you guys this is happening but not being able to offer proof.

[Seeker]

Seraphimangel, I have met and spoke with several young women who work for Dream Marriage, Hot Russian Bride and Army of Brides.  These women earn anywhere from $800 to $1500 a month depending on how much they work. All had computers and video cameras at there flat, provided by the agencies.

The women get a percentage of the video cam profit, sending/receiving emails, flowers, flats the men may rent.  Each of the women are told they MUST meet with any man they have talk to over video cam at least one meeting.  If not they will be terminated. All the women have said they have met the men they talked with on video chat who came to her city for the required one meeting. Then  they would get ill, or a family member would get ill, or she would have to leave town. Many varied excuses for not being able to have a second meeting.  

I have asked several of these women if I could quote them, not one will let me. Maybe it's because the money is so good, maybe they are concerned for their safety.  One day one of these women will let me quote her directly and publicly.  Until then I can only tell you guys this is happening but not being able to offer proof.

 

I am curious... the women you talk about and post pictures of... where do they fit into all of this?  What side of the fence are they on?  Or is there really even a 'fence'?

You speak of women you don't actually know with such disdain.  That always worries me from a commercial member.  Then you post pictures as if you were advertising.  What really is your intent?  And I know I will catch hell for posting this.  But how is this suppose to appear?  To me it seems like one company slamming another.

And I am sure you don't care what I think.  But it is just an honest perspective from my distorted point of view.  Damn... here I go again... into the 'hot' seat. 

[Gator]

He said, don't touch any website like that, the girls who use it are bottom of the barrel and there are too many pretty girls here to limit yourself to the bad ones.

 

Exactly.  Maybe that answers Seeker's question.   

He said that I'd meet tons of wonderful beautiful girls in Niko, they just aren't the ones looking to leave the country.  So, to expect fun, but not marriage, if I get lucky and something special happens, then consider myself lucky. =) Also seems an honest approach...

Not only honest, it is natural.  It is how we have dated in America,   Except few men have the time such a natural dating approach requires.

If a man does not have the time, he needs to market himself to women who are at least considering the possibility of marrying a foreigner.

I'd be more comfortable having friends waiting for me.  Just seems a good first attempt to Ukraine.... 

Excellent plan.  While there, I suggest that you meet a couple of seemingly sincere women from agencies just for the comparative experience.

[groovlstk]

Quite an interesting experience, it was worth the thousands paid, just to learn all this, before even going... I would have wasted more going and being a fool... at least this way.. it's just a little money.. and not entirely a waste of time.

Simply not true. You could have spent a week in Russia or Ukraine for the "thousands" you spent learning not to feed the alligators, and come away with a much better understanding of the people, culture, and dating scene. A week with boots on the ground will teach you more than you could get by reading this forum top to bottom or trading war stories with guys who've already made trips.

[Gator]

To me it seems like one company slamming another.

Yes, and for good reason.   What Jack describes has been told before by victims.  Is it better that Jack remain silent?  

Just because Jack earns part of his personal income in the agency business does not make him guilty.  I have never met Jack nor used his services.  Yet, I read what he posts.   He has an incredible amount of experience.

Over the years, Jack impresses me as someone who tries to help.  He does it by steering men away from minefields, not by tooting his horn explicitly.  His business plan seems to be to put men in front of interested women, not to milk a man for thousands of dollars before he gets onto a plan.

[Gator]

Simply not true. You could have spent a week in Russia or Ukraine for the "thousands" you spent learning not to feed the alligators...

Exactly. 

Seraphimangel, you were a victim of a scam appealing to a man's fantasy.  Actually, I am surprised that you were a victim.  You seem too worldly to miss the warning signals.   And you do not seem to be a lonely loser, who I envision is the prototypical victim. 

What compelled you to keep pursuing this fantasy?  I ask because I think you are smart enough to name it precisely.

[BillyB]

We would have random tiffs, but ultimately lately she turned cold and told me I really upset her.  I had/have no idea what I did to upset her.  She just started ignoring my calls, no longer responding to emails or texts... it just went dead cold.

I called again and she answered and said "I do not wish to speak to you any longer"...

Through communications, she was able to eliminate you as a marriage candidate instead of you going over there spending thousands of your money and precious vacation time to learn this. She came on strong saying she wanted only you to see her but thing can change fast.

This seems really bizarre to me, recently I sent her some shoes she liked and some chocolates she seemed to love.  No biggie, neither thing cost anything significant.
 

You have a habit of buying and sending things to RW that you've never met. Shoes and chocolate isn't going to seal the deal. Save your money, win the woman over based off who you are and when you have a relationship with her, then make her happy.

I said, I don't care what you do... I just like our friendship.
 

Be a man and tell her you do care about the fact she's robbing old men working her job. She'll respect you more and you may convince a crook in this World to retire. She may not like you but she will respect you if you have more morals and values than her.

In any event, I've learned a lot about this business from her.  The lies in her profile, the lies of 3 more girls she told me about on the system and what age/smoking/real life situations are different from what's advertised as well as her own. 


Quite an interesting experience, it was worth the thousands paid, just to learn all this, before even going... I would have wasted more going and being a fool... at least this way.. it's just a little money.. and not entirely a waste of time.

 I think I know 100x more than I knew a couple of months ago. 

Everything you learned from her and using AWeb, you could've learned here for free.

You speak of women you don't actually know with such disdain.  That always worries me from a commercial member.  Then you post pictures as if you were advertising.  What really is your intent?  And I know I will catch hell for posting this.  But how is this suppose to appear?  To me it seems like one company slamming another.
 

Seeker, I've been reading these type of forums since 2004. I've never seen any customer of Jack's slam his business. Some people slammed Jack because they don't like is online personality but his customers have said nothing but good things about him. What Jack is saying about the other businesses and the women who work the scam is no different than the men who used those businesses and learned how the scam works after dating some of the women.

If I thought Jack was saying something that doesn't seem right, I will question him. He once said AFA(A foreign Affair) marriage agency is in the porn industry. I asked for proof and in a PM he sent me links to porn sites and told me to look at the custodial records. The address for the custodial records is located at AFA's office. Jack wasn't slamming AFA because they were a competitor, he was slamming them because he was right. If we ever catch him slamming a good agency without reason, then we should question his motives.

[seraphimangel]

Exactly. 

Seraphimangel, you were a victim of a scam appealing to a man's fantasy.  Actually, I am surprised that you were a victim.  You seem too worldly to miss the warning signals.   And you do not seem to be a lonely loser, who I envision is the prototypical victim. 

What compelled you to keep pursuing this fantasy?  I ask because I think you are smart enough to name it precisely.

The fantasy was convenient.  Truthfully, I've been thinking about this, and it just seems like it was right place and time for me.  I just got out of a relationship before I went on this thing, started dating way too many people... started to hate this grind process...

I don't think I'm brilliant emotionally by any stretch of the imagination.  I'm good at what I do, in fact, I'm really good at what I do for work and academically but my most memorable ex who has a phd in psychology noted that I am to some degree, emotionally young.  I agree.  This was me being nice about my shortcomings... if I'm not directly connected to events, I can pragmatically analyze most things...

Being attached, I felt like I made a friend... albeit, one I knew I had no future with due to her immaturity and age... I enjoyed the idea of our friendship and wanted to see her grow as a person... but ... likely I was just spun like most others, just got to have some personal time that others may not have through skype, phone and other things.  She was a very funny person to know though...

[tim 360]

I am curious... the women you talk about and post pictures of... where do they fit into all of this?  What side of the fence are they on?  Or is there really even a 'fence'?

You speak of women you don't actually know with such disdain.  That always worries me from a commercial member.  Then you post pictures as if you were advertising.  What really is your intent?  And I know I will catch hell for posting this.  But how is this suppose to appear?  To me it seems like one company slamming another.

And I am sure you don't care what I think.  But it is just an honest perspective from my distorted point of view.  Damn... here I go again... into the 'hot' seat. 

You will find that Jack's info is usually spot on.  I don't quite see what your problem with him here is?  Or why you even posted trying to slam the guy?

[I/O]

wanted to see her grow as a person

There it is, the White Knight thingy. Truth told, there is probably a little of it in all of us and it certainly needs to be contained if not removed completely from the thinking if one is to successfully follow this path. IMO 2 days on the ground is worth two years (so to say) of reading, skyping and chatting.

[BillyB]

IMO 2 days on the ground is worth two years (so to say) of reading, skyping and chatting.

I think a lot of you guy are forgetting how valuable a forum like this is and how much a newbie can learn here. The regulars don't have much to learn but there is a lot to learn.

The military doesn't send men into combat without training. Exerience is the best teacher but if a guy can't survive, he gets no experience. Many newbies can't figure out the difference between sincere and the insincere RW and the insincere RW are getting the lion's share of correspondence and visits from men. Those men will come back home with their azz kicked.

Since Serephimangel has come to this forum, he's been in hot correspondence with a number of ladies only for it to fizzle out after a few days or weeks. He has been open with what is going on in his life but I suspect what is happening to him is happening to others. If he hopped on a plane as many suggested each time for each woman, he would have no money or vacation time left a this point for a sincere woman once he learns how a sincere woman talks and behaves. Most guys go to the FSU and hope to come back being in a commited relationship. If they don't know how to find a sincere woman, they better hope they get their azz kicked instead of forcing themselves to enter into a relationship with an insincere woman and bringing her home.

Serephimangel has been lucky that the RW he's communicated with wants to end it before he flys over there. Other men aren't so lucky and waste their money on a woman that cares nothing for them. I think he's still trying to salvage a friendship and relationship with those women and wasting his time. If that's true, he should no go to the FSU. If he spends his time wisely finding a sincere woman who's into him, then he will be wiser today than he was yesterday and when he eventually makes a trip, he will give himself the best possible chance of successfully getting into a good relationship with a RW.

Serephim can and has already has met RW in the States. If he goes to the FSU now, all he'll learn about buildings and what he has already learned here. I trust him when he says he can date American women fine but he has admitted that RW are not turned on by his personality mainly the goofy part in him. Once he figures it out and can date successfully here, then he can do it over there. Why not study up a few more weeks? What's the rush to get married to anybody on the street over there?

[seraphimangel]

Truth be told, I'm a little licked as it is.  This is a little humiliating to me actually.  So, I've already booked a two week trip to Costa Rica instead to help clear my head during the summer.  Plus, I've started talking to this lovely girl I met while waiting for a table at Gulfstream a couple weeks ago.

So, wish me luck with that, she's very cool and very pretty and very... normal... to date.  I seriously have no emotional stamina for these kinds of games.  It's enough to deal with normal emotional games, but games dealing with the whole genre of FSU dating is really quite an obstacle.  I salute you all, who have been able to navigate this world well and come out well for the effort. 

I just don't see myself being successful at it using the conventional method.  I think it would be more likely that I make some friends there, visit and see if I meet someone there.  In the meantime, it would be insincere of me keep trying while going out with Karen... so... I'll check here just for fun or more education, but I'm not trying to meet anyone to date anytime soon...

=)

[Daveman]

Truth be told, I'm a little licked as it is.  This is a little humiliating to me actually.  So, I've already booked a two week trip to Costa Rica instead to help clear my head during the summer.  Plus, I've started talking to this lovely girl I met while waiting for a table at Gulfstream a couple weeks ago.

So, wish me luck with that, she's very cool and very pretty and very... normal... to date.  I seriously have no emotional stamina for these kinds of games.  It's enough to deal with normal emotional games, but games dealing with the whole genre of FSU dating is really quite an obstacle.  I salute you all, who have been able to navigate this world well and come out well for the effort. 

I just don't see myself being successful at it using the conventional method.  I think it would be more likely that I make some friends there, visit and see if I meet someone there.  In the meantime, it would be insincere of me keep trying while going out with Karen... so... I'll check here just for fun or more education, but I'm not trying to meet anyone to date anytime soon...

=)

It's been said that this crazy pursuit isn't for everyone.  I've often wondered if it is really for me either.   
It takes so much time, effort, money, tenacity, etc to find, court, woo, date, grow the relationship, jump the hurdles of cultural and language barriers with the misunderstandings that come with them, feed the LD relationship and deal with the time apart... it really does take an inordinate amount of internal fortitude to even get to the point of marriage/immigration (and that's just the first phase).

Any fool can find a woman, at home or abroad, who is pretty and willing marry, but really coming out of this venture with a partner one could speak of as a soul mate is a daunting task unless one is blessed with a considerable amount of luck (and I'm not so sure that all who appear lucky truly are.. only time reveals that).  It is true that we create a large percentage of our own luck but I think in this venture there is also that element of sheer blind luck involved to a degree -- both of you being in the same place at the same time and actually crossing paths - whether on a website or on the street, and then recognizing that THIS one is her and not THAT one who may have a slightly more shapely (fill in the blank) tugging at another area of the brain...   

Some guys (and ladies) do get lucky early on but most do not. Some find their "one" on the first trip while others take years.  Of course, if one does not give up, it *is* likely that the sun will eventually shine on the dog's butt at some point. 

Seraphimangel, you can truly consider yourself lucky in that your online relationship panned out the way it did. You weren't even in the ball park yet to even step up to the plate.  Yeah, it cost you "thousands" (as you say) to chat with this lady, but it was only a dream.  When you start traveling over there, putting in the real face time, etc etc etc etc etc, and then it falls apart, THAT is a real drain on your soul.  Of course this affects you emotionally, and seems like a big kick in the stomach, but had you chased her around the FSU, it would have been a lot worse because you never had a chance with that lady from the beginning.  You really would have been physically chasing a dream.

Have fun on your trip. Clear your head. Take the lesson learned from this experience and allow it to help you rather than hurt you.

 

[groovlstk]

It's been said that this crazy pursuit isn't for everyone.  I've often wondered if it is really for me either.   
It takes so much time, effort, money, tenacity, etc to find, court, woo, date, grow the relationship, jump the hurdles of cultural and language barriers with the misunderstandings that come with them, feed the LD relationship and deal with the time apart... it really does take an inordinate amount of internal fortitude to even get to the point of marriage/immigration (and that's just the first phase).

Any fool can find a woman, at home or abroad, who is pretty and willing marry, but really coming out of this venture with a partner one could speak of as a soul mate is a daunting task unless one is blessed with a considerable amount of luck (and I'm not so sure that all who appear lucky truly are.. only time reveals that).  It is true that we create a large percentage of our own luck but I think in this venture there is also that element of sheer blind luck involved to a degree -- both of you being in the same place at the same time and actually crossing paths - whether on a website or on the street, and then recognizing that THIS one is her and not THAT one who may have a slightly more shapely (fill in the blank) tugging at another area of the brain...   

Some guys (and ladies) do get lucky early on but most do not. Some find their "one" on the first trip while others take years.  Of course, if one does not give up, it *is* likely that the sun will eventually shine on the dog's butt at some point. 

Seraphimangel, you can truly consider yourself lucky in that your online relationship panned out the way it did. You weren't even in the ball park yet to even step up to the plate.  Yeah, it cost you "thousands" (as you say) to chat with this lady, but it was only a dream.  When you start traveling over there, putting in the real face time, etc etc etc etc etc, and then it falls apart, THAT is a real drain on your soul.  Of course this affects you emotionally, and seems like a big kick in the stomach, but had you chased her around the FSU, it would have been a lot worse because you never had a chance with that lady from the beginning.  You really would have been physically chasing a dream.

Have fun on your trip. Clear your head. Take the lesson learned from this experience and allow it to help you rather than hurt you.

 

Fantastic post, Dave. I started reading it before IDing the poster and immediately tagged these wise words as yours.

Sometimes I think it may have been lucky that when I met my first RW and became hooked on the idea, I really had no clue of how long and harsh the road would be once beyond those emails and awkward first meetings. Had I the opportunity to share experiences with dozens, hundreds of others, I would've certainly given it a lot more thought before jumping in. It's easy to find a beautiful young woman who will agree to marriage, but it gets exponentially harder if the goal is finding someone who genuinely loves you, and vice versa.

[Gator]

So, wish me luck with that, she's very cool and very pretty...

Congratulations Seraph.

and very... normal...

That would be a deal killer for me.  "Normal" is boring; I can not tolerate boring. 

I realize that this is not what you meant by "normal," yet I think it is perhaps part of what drives you.

With some RW, one gets away from the ordinary.  Combine a spirited soul with the RW mentality, and one gets a heavy dose of colorful adventure, a complete mystery at times, and a profound connection at others, yet never boring.

RW listed with a marriage agency are not necessarily desperate or damaged.  Almost none of the agency women I eventually decided to meet were that way.  Instead, their reasons for joining an agency included a strong sense of adventure as well as better life opportunities.  Such a woman will not bore you.  May drive you crazy, yet you will not be bored.

Seraph, maybe that is not you; however, I sense some of it in you.    I hope you find what you want in AW.   

[Gator]

It's been said that this crazy pursuit isn't for everyone.  I've often wondered if it is really for me either. 

IMO it is for you.  Why?  Because you are different, at least I sense that in you.  You perhaps have always been different.

I have always been different and recognized that fact early in my life.  Aren't we all?  Someting must be different for a man to fly thousands of miles for a blind date.

It is true that we create a large percentage of our own luck but I think in this venture there is also that element of sheer blind luck involved to a degree -- both of you being in the same place at the same time and actually crossing paths - whether on a website or on the street, and then recognizing that THIS one is her and not THAT one who may have a slightly more shapely (fill in the blank) tugging at another area of the brain...   

I consider this a part of the journey.  Keep enjoying it, dependent upon goals such as "I want to have children," "I want to get married,"

 

When you start traveling over there, putting in the real face time, etc etc etc etc etc, and then it falls apart, THAT is a real drain on your soul.

That “drain on your soul” is nothing more than crushed hopes that she would be the one, when you should also celebrate the fact that you dodged what could have become a train wreck or a life of boredom.

You really would have been physically chasing a dream.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with chasing dreams. The key is to recognize dead ends and fantasies early and then have the intelligence to stop.  Not easily done.

[BC]

Truth be told, I'm a little licked as it is. 

It's a better Man that gracefully bows out of this RW 'thing' rather than plundering about for effect and disaster to entertain the audience..

I tip my hat!  You'll do just fine.

Gator, there is no 'ordinary' woman..  'Hey, you look like an interesting girl, have a passport?.. How about a weekend in Venice?' will work with many great looking AW and hardly get you slapped.  Cost and effect are about the same, the USD is up and chances of really hitting it off a lot better on an even playing field.

Best way to find a wife?? Don't look for one IMHO.

[SFandEE]

There seems to be a moral question here as well.  Is this a moral way for a woman in Ukraine to make money.  I think most agree "Fat Yuri"  (sp) is immoral, but what about a woman who takes a job entertaining men over the internet?

She seems to be communicating that it troubles her on some level once you became human to her and she saw that your sincerity was pursuing this relationship not for the immediate gratification of chat, but for companionship--either friends or as it develops possibly marriage.

I am glad to see some of the women in Ukraine do have a sense of the right and wrong of marriage agencies. As indicated by Wall St., BP, Toyota and some of the stories on this board, the morality of some is how much money they can get.  How they get it?  Does not matter.

[facetrock]

  Before I would put a halo over this girls head we have to remember she scammed Seraphimangel and many others out of thousands of dollars. She also received a alot of that money for herself. I doubt if it bothers her that much and bet she is still doing it.
I see no kindness her what so ever.

[Gator]

Gator, there is no 'ordinary' woman..

You are correct....if for just a weekend.      In my dictionary, normal is ordinary as having led a sheltered life, required less action, etc.   Not different, not unique.  Perhaps my brain lobes are calloused from an active life.  For sure I am restless, and I relish activity.

  'Hey, you look like an interesting girl, have a passport?.. How about a weekend in Venice?' will work with many great looking AW and hardly get you slapped. 

Been there, done that.  Yes, it works, except there is an interim step or two.     And the point...?

[BC]

  Before I would put a halo over this girls head we have to remember she scammed Seraphimangel and many others out of thousands of dollars. She also received a alot of that money for herself. I doubt if it bothers her that much and bet she is still doing it.
I see no kindness her what so ever.

The way he describes it doesn't sound like a scam to me..

[BC]

You are correct....if for just a weekend.      In my dictionary, normal is ordinary as having led a sheltered life, required less action, etc.   Not different, not unique.  Perhaps my brain lobes are calloused from an active life.  For sure I am restless, and I relish activity.

Sure you're not into the co-dependency scene? LOL  -That'll keep ya hoppin..

Been there, done that.  Yes, it works, except there is an interim step or two.     And the point...?

Well the point is that when one goes to FSU chasing skirt it's not that much different except that the travel bureaucracy can be more of a hassle and takes a few months to complete with destination Smallville or Podunk.  Moscow or Kiev is surely more exciting for the man.  In the end everything 'normalizes' anyway, bills to pay, lawn needs mowing and the car needs an oil change.

Women are everywhere, good one's too.  I just hate to see guys get the RW bug and forget about everything else around them.. - lot of good chances missed hanging around agency websites with dreams of instant satisfaction rather than risking a slap or thinking that women west of the atlantic don't get horny.