HRB/RLM Again

[ECOCKS]

 

[Sculpto]

Manny,
You have cleared it up and thank you.  

As you may have gathered I am still quite upset about this issue with HRB.  Just to clarify on my end.. I am not upset about the loss of the girl I was interested in.. I am upset about the string along job that I got from the admin of that site... Specifically Nadia and later Patrick.  

At this point I would like to know why they think it is required to maintain an archive of my private communications now nearly 4 years after the events took place.  

I would like to know why they have girls with profiles that have not been updated in 5 years or more.  I would like to know why 1st International was willing to remove some of those profiles when HRB was not?

I would especially like to know why they were unable to provide me with even one live male client who had been married and was willing to talk on the phone.

I would like to know why they continue to refuse to allow their paying customers to communicate with each other.

And a lot of other things.

As I said in the other thread.. Tom T rode me hard on antidate when all this was going on almost four years ago.  That thread is still there for anyone to read.  I was intoxicated and stubborn.. so.. I am very frankly shocked that so far what Tom has reported from Florida is as neutral as it has been.  Maybe he hasn't reached any conclusions.. or.. more likely, as I predicted when I first posted, things in Florida appear to be legit.

My question is.. is Florida really legit.. are they being boxed in by the affiliate agencies.. or.. are they complicit to the scams and the enabling factor to the scams?  

That question can not be answered from Florida.  It simply can not.  The ONLY way to know the truth is to get some of the girls to come clean or to infiltrate with spies.

The girls that provided me with honest information all quit the site and disappeared.  All of them were afraid to speak about their experiences in public.  I spoke to Nadia about that and she laughed it off.. yet.. when I told my friend that she could trust Florida.. her response was.. "Florida is the headquarters of the scam!"  That was the last time I talked with her... she wouldn't take another call from me.

[shakespear]

Of course there is plenty going on "behind the scenes." For example, you make the presumptive statement that HRB is expecting to benefit by offering an expenses paid trip for Tom to come review their operation. Did HRB actually state that? If so, what are those explicit expectations?  

I was responding to Fiction's implication that there was something going on behind the scenes at RUA in regards to some kind of working relationship with HRB.
  

[Sculpto]

Ed.. I will suggest this is a very serious thread and if you don't have anything useful to contribute to refrain from making any distracting comments.  

[ECOCKS]

Ed.. I will suggest this is a very serious thread and if you don't have anything useful to contribute to refrain from making any distracting comments.  

 

[Voyager36]

Tom T rode me hard on antidate when all this was going on almost four years ago.  That thread is still there for anyone to read.  I was intoxicated and stubborn.. so.. I am very frankly shocked that so far what Tom has reported from Florida is as neutral as it has been.  Maybe he hasn't reached any conclusions.. or.. more likely, as I predicted when I first posted, things in Florida appear to be legit.

My question is.. is Florida really legit.. are they being boxed in by the affiliate agencies.. or.. are they complicit to the scams and the enabling factor to the scams?  

That question can not be answered from Florida.  It simply can not.  The ONLY way to know the truth is to get some of the girls to come clean or to infiltrate with spies.

I swear to you right now I am going to get some girls to come forward if this deception by CEO and the cheerleading at RUA continues. 

It would be very interesting if you can find any of the RW who worked for HRB  Sculpto, I do hope that you can find some that would be willing to comment on the forums

[Sculpto]

I was responding to Fiction's implication that there was something going on behind the scenes at RUA in regards to some kind of working relationship with HRB.
  

I am still a bit puzzled Shakes.. all of a sudden the CEO shows up and everyone is rolling out the red carpet for the guy..

Regardless of how anyone feels about Jim.. the reports of funny business at HRB are persistent and consistent and can be found in a wide range of scam report sites.  Not only that but the level of anger that comes from these problems seems to be far greater than from other sources of scams and rotten business practices.

I do not see how Tom is going to resolve anything with a visit to Florida.  

At the minimum this whole thing is a highly cynical marketing ploy and if you and the other mods and admin of the second largest forum on the topic allow this "event" to whitewash the critical reports that have accumulated over the years the only beneficiary is in fact HRB.  

You and some others may not like my style of presentation.. obviously I don't believe in short posts.  But, I also don't like to leave a lot of room for interpretation and even with the level of detail I provide people still want to extrapolate, obfuscate, distort, or simply fail to comprehend.  If I was vague and with few details it would cause even greater confusion and mixed messages.

So, without sitting down and writing for hours with the benefit of repeated edits.. sorry if I come off long winded and somewhat disorganized.. but I am having a conversation.. not writing a novel.

[Sculpto]

It would be very interesting if you can find any of the RW who worked for HRB  Sculpto, I do hope that you can find some that would be willing to comment on the forums

I am going to say it AGAIN.. note.. I am repeating myself AGAIN because there is a failure of comprehension..

HRB does not employ the girls.. HRB is not a marriage agency per se..

HRB, like all of the major internet sites is nothing more than a clearing house or agregator for affiliate agencies in Ukraine or Russia.  HRB provides the technology for communications and billing.. the affiliates provide the girls and in country services.

That is exactly the line that needs to be clarified to determine if Florida is knowingly part of the scam, or, if they are being screwed by their affiliates.

I do not believe I will be able to get contact with any of the girls I was friends with 4 years ago when all this went down.  To my knowledge none of them are now listed on any sites.

[Manny]

At the minimum this whole thing is a highly cynical marketing ploy and if you and the other mods and admin of the second largest forum on the topic allow this "event" to whitewash the critical reports that have accumulated over the years the only beneficiary is in fact HRB.  

You will note that on the topic in question (which was originally split from another and re-named), I made a point of linking existing topics that we had about RLM/HRB in order that new readers seeking information were not whitewashed whatever the outcome may be. I made a point of linking the reader to existing topics we had at the very start.

This topic here at RWD may also benefit from some links to other topics from the archives here on the subject of this agency (and their full agency names). That way, readers of either/both sites will come out better informed.

In so doing, both forums will fulfil their primary objectives: As an unbiased information resource for those seeking information.

[kievstar]

What should have happend is HRB send $10,000 usd to Manny.  Manny selects two men secretly to use HRB services and after 4 months including trip to foreign country they report out what they find.  HRB does not know who or when this happens.  The $10,000 covers expenses and time.  Send one man in 2010 and one man in 2011.  Keep HRB on their toes.  

Sending someone down to investigate is not going to find anything they do not want him to find.  They know when he is coming and what he is doing.  They may let him find something minor.


My beef with Jim is really the fact he does no due diligence on the agencies.  Is really clueless.  I have yet to find someone who actually has met him face to face in Ukraine or Russia.  He did not have a good answer when the last time he was actually in an agency.  I won a legal battle with one of his gold star recommendations.  His correspondence from the agency to him which he sent to me helped me win.  Agency than let out some details and paid up in exchange for me not discussing publically in detail.  I will end it here but I would take advise from people who actually visit agencies in Ukraine or Russia.  Jim does not visit.  

[Sculpto]

You will note that on the topic in question (which was originally split from another and re-named), I made a point of linking existing topics that we had about RLM/HRB in order that new readers seeking information were not whitewashed whatever the outcome may be. I made a point of linking the reader to existing topics we had at the very start.

This topic here at RWD may also benefit from some links to other topics from the archives here on the subject of this agency (and their full agency names). That way, readers of either/both sites will come out better informed.

In so doing, both forums will fulfil their primary objectives: As an unbiased information resource for those seeking information.

I think my story is on here somewhere.. and then there was the Goth guy but he got chased off so fast for being Goth that no one knows how his story turned out.. and the thing is.. he was headed to Kherson too..

[Admin]

Ed.. I will suggest this is a very serious thread and if you don't have anything useful to contribute to refrain from making any distracting comments.  

2012,

Not everyone feels the same amount of passion you feel about the topic - and that is OK and even natural. Imagine the chaos if everyone were operating at the 2012 level of passion only with slight and even significant tangents to the direction of their passions.  :whirling:

- Dan

[Voyager36]

I am still a bit puzzled Shakes.. all of a sudden the CEO shows up and everyone is rolling out the red carpet for the guy..

At the minimum this whole thing is a highly cynical marketing ploy and if you and the other mods and admin of the second largest forum on the topic allow this "event" to whitewash the critical reports that have accumulated over the years the only beneficiary is in fact HRB.  

Sculpto, as far as "rolling out the red carpet" I believe that the agency owner is entitled to present their side of the story, and we encourage healthy (but polite) debate on the subject. However, they won't be avoid having members comment on their operation.

I agree with you, I suspect that HRB was hoping to have a nice glowing review of their Florida HQ, but it hasn't worked out that way, there has certainly been no shortage of critical posts about them so far.  
I can assure you that there will be no whitewash, and I appreciate the time you took to post your direct experience using that agency.

I am going to say it AGAIN.. note.. I am repeating myself AGAIN because there is a failure of comprehension..

HRB does not employ the girls.. HRB is not a marriage agency per se..

HRB, like all of the major internet sites is nothing more than a clearing house or agregator for affiliate agencies in Ukraine or Russia.

My apologies, I assumed that the interpreters worked for HRB (or their affiliate)
The comments of an interpreter into the business practices of the agency are perhaps even more insightful than the comments of one individual (client) lady.
I have seen some ladies that have worked as interpreters various forums, perhaps there is one that has worked in the HRB network.

[SANDRO43]

The owner of RHB is/was actually a registered member here under the nick of Patrick H. He made a short appearance in my DD thread back in 2006 (starting at http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1598.msg33554#msg33554 with a mention by Jack) objecting to my listing one DD as being on his site. Y'all can follow there the ensuing debate .

[Jooky]

What should have happend is HRB send $10,000 usd to Manny.  Manny selects two men secretly to use HRB services and after 4 months including trip to foreign country they report out what they find.  HRB does not know who or when this happens.  The $10,000 covers expenses and time.  Send one man in 2010 and one man in 2011.  Keep HRB on their toes.

 

Ha! I was thinking this exact same thing, but I'd put someone completely neutral with no business interests in the industry in charge of the cash.

[Jooky]

and then there was the Goth guy but he got chased off so fast for being Goth that no one knows how his story turned out..

From a brief blurb on he posted on MySpace, (HELP! Im stranded in the Ukraine!!!) I don't think it turned out too well.

[Daveman]

Manny,
You have cleared it up and thank you.  

As you may have gathered I am still quite upset about this issue with HRB.  Just to clarify on my end.. I am not upset about the loss of the girl I was interested in.. I am upset about the string along job that I got from the admin of that site... Specifically Nadia and later Patrick.  

At this point I would like to know why they think it is required to maintain an archive of my private communications now nearly 4 years after the events took place.  

I can certainly understand your feelings on this matter. I'd surely be furious as well.

I'm also very interested in reasoning behind that private archive and why they are revealing it to a third party.  And, I since we are revealing archives, I'd like to see the archive of their private interoffice, interstaff, interagency communications as well.  I bet if such were available, all questions could indeed be answered right there in Florida.  :evil:

I can't really take the move to "open the door" seriously because it is analogous to showing someone the beautiful showroom sales floor while the clothes are being made in the sweatshops then revealing the private customer credit reports and making that the issue at hand.  However, that assumption could very well be off the mark as I'll wait for Tom's comprehensive analysis before actually forming an opinion though that is my first impression from reading that other thread (welcome visiting Mods and Admin, BTW.. glad to have you here).

[Sculpto]

2012,

Not everyone feels the same amount of passion you feel about the topic - and that is OK and even natural. Imagine the chaos if everyone were operating at the 2012 level of passion only with slight and even significant tangents to the direction of their passions.  :whirling:

- Dan

Dan.. apparently you forget where I live.. might be shocking but in my world I tend to be the quiet shy guy...

nevertheless I understand your point. 

[Admin]

Dan.. apparently you forget where I live.. might be shocking but in my world I tend to be the quiet shy guy...

nevertheless I understand your point. 

Is EVERYONE on meth there - or only a select few?

j/k

- Dan

[Sculpto]

The owner of RHB is/was actually a registered member here under the nick of Patrick H. He made a short appearance in my DD thread back in 2006 (starting at http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1598.msg33554#msg33554 with a mention by Jack) objecting to my listing one DD as being on his site. Y'all can follow there the ensuing debate .

To my knowledge Patrick is the office/site manager and is not the owner nor CEO of the site.  That would be reserved for Gregory Pearson.

I pointed out in the thread on the other forum one girl who is/or at least was a known adult webcam performer and rock star in Odessa.. that has not been addressed.. nor has the fact that the profile has not been updated in at least five years.

[Sculpto]

From a brief blurb on he posted on MySpace, (HELP! Im stranded in the Ukraine!!!) I don't think it turned out too well.

I am sure it didn't.. he was using the same Kherson affiliate agency of HRB I used.  Its really a pity he was run off the way he was from the forum, I liked that guy. 

[Sculpto]

Is EVERYONE on meth there - or only a select few?

j/k

- Dan

LOL sorry Dan.. we prefer high grade cannabis around here.. meth is more common in places like Colorado and Idaho..

jk

[SANDRO43]

To my knowledge Patrick is the office/site manager and is not the owner nor CEO of the site. That would be reserved for Gregory Pearson.

OK,  I think his responses may be rather revealing of HRB's corporate attitude, anyway.

BTW, for any who read our exchanges, the legal actions intimated in 2006 never materialsed - the DD was allegedly the sister of an RW married to an Italian lawyer. Shortly afterwards, her profile disappeared from HRB .

[Sculpto]

Sandro.. this girl is a DD.. web cam porn.. I don't know if you can prove it.. but here is the profile if you are inclined to do the research.. 125407 Take a look at the ID#.. this is a very early member of HRB.. I am not going to state exactly how I know she is, or was, a web cam girl.. simply ask that you take my word for the fact the I have direct knowledge and lets leave it at that.  Additionally.. her photos and profile have not changed in at least 5 years.. she is 30 now.. and still a student and still looking like a rocker chick?  I do see that there are fewer pics than a couple of days ago..

This one, 165622,  I don't make any such accusation but I would like to get to the bottom of her story.. why?  She was my first interest on HRB.. until she started begging for flower delivery.. later the same profile messaged me on 1st International as if "it" had no idea who I am.. I played along a bit and then dropped the bomb.. 1st International at least did the research and concluded it was a fake profile and eliminated her.

I asked CEO the other day to comment or investigate.. so far silence.. also.. four years ago.. so in four years they couldn't determine if this chica is a fake?  It took 1st International all of a day to figure it out. 

I have a LOT more.. I was a member of that site for 18 months as I recall and spent a lot of time there.. lots of letters and chats.. probably some more DDs.. tons of soft scams.. and lots more girls who are least suspect of being paid for chat..

[Voyager36]

(welcome visiting Mods and Admin, BTW.. glad to have you here).

Thanks Dave.  

I'm also very interested in reasoning behind that private archive and why they are revealing it to a third party. 

I don't know if it's been made clear here, but Tom was viewing anonymous correspondence with the names redacted, ie "Mr X" from the US talking to "Miss L" from Ukraine, with no way of identifying the people involved.
I would assume that both parties assented to this when signing up, and I would suggest that anyone uncomfortable with this verify the privacy terms before signing up with ANY agency.

Although to be completely frank, I wouldn't recommend members spend thousands of $ (or even hundreds) at any agency for "pay to chat", the old advice of eliminate the agency as soon as possible is the best policy.
Instead of using HRB's video chat, find an agency (or free site) where you can get the contact details for a reasonable fee, and then use Skype to communicate with her. (or call on her cell phone with a discount plan)