A New Cold War?

[Sculpto]

bad news..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100629/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_doj_russia_arrests

[kievstar]

President of Russia visits USA and this comes up right after.  Strange timing. 

[Sculpto]

Thats exactly what I am thinking too Kiev. 

[Faux Pas]

If you think because the cold war came to an end that the espinoage came to a halt, you'd better think again. There is actually more active spying among allies than enemies. It won't cause an incident and barely will be a bleep on the news. A few years ago both the US and Israel we're caught spying on each other. I was surprised that actually leaked to the media.

[Blues Fairy]

Just shows how dumb Obama is to trust the Russians.

[kievstar]

The conservative radio here in Houston thinks Obama could learn from the Russians.  I tend to agree.  You never see the Russians talking about there military plans on CNN.  Catching 11 spies should not be public information. 

[Boethius]

Just shows how dumb Obama is to trust the Russians.

What makes you assume he trusts them?  From what I have observed, he is very pragmatic.  Emotions don't seem to enter into his ultimate decisions.

I have no doubt the US is spying on Russia, too, and the CIA, and Obama, have information we don't.

The US has been tracking this spy ring for years.  I suspect they were  uncovered as a reult of the discovery of a Russian undercover agent in Canada long ago, with a false Canadian passport, Canadian assumed identity, etc.  He was held and interrogated, and eventually, deported.

[Blues Fairy]

What makes you assume he trusts them?  From what I have observed, he is very pragmatic. 

How is it pragmatic to make so many concessions in the matter of the defense shield while obtaining absolutely no perks in return?  And how is it pragmatic to trust the Russians to uphold their side of the pressure on Iran?

Obama is lucky the CIA is still doing its job; his own policies have added nothing to the security of the country.

[Boethius]

I believe a base was opened in Poland last month.  However, Russia is not a military threat to the United States.  Pragmatism is knowing you can't control the policies of a foreign country.

Obama's policies in Pakistan go far beyond what the Bush administration did.

[Sculpto]

Blues.. its your right wing ubberdumbass leader that messed up the security of the world.  Maybe you ought to consider that before you continue your desperate "oh my god we are losing control" rants against the president.

That said.. your earlier post is correct.  Of course there are spies.. on every level.. what is interesting about this situation is the bust them now.. right after Medvedyev was here.. that does in fact mean something.. what it means is not clear...

[Sculpto]

Boethius if a base opened in Poland there is no link to it any place on google..

As far as Pakistan is concerned.. the Pakistani intelligence service is walking a fine line between applying pressure to Al Queda and the Taliban.  If you look back that same intelligence service was instrumental in getting the original Taliban established in Afganistan.

Pakistan is a nuclear power with an unstable government and a radical islamist movement.  Even if I am appalled by the build up in afganistan and think it is foolish strategy.. if anyone has a better idea...

[tim 360]

What makes you assume he trusts them?  From what I have observed, he is very pragmatic.  Emotions don't seem to enter into his ultimate decisions.

I have no doubt the US is spying on Russia, too, and the CIA, and Obama, have information we don't.

The US has been tracking this spy ring for years.  I suspect they were  uncovered as a reult of the discovery of a Russian undercover agent in Canada long ago, with a false Canadian passport, Canadian assumed identity, etc.  He was held and interrogated, and eventually, deported.

Spying never stopped.  Spying never stops or sleeps.  Trust?  There are only secrets.  We spy on our enemies, our friends and our very best friends and family.  The CIA admits to 20,000 employees and I am confident Russia is in the same ballpark.

[Shadow]

So they catch 10 people and charge 9 with money laundering.... not sure if the Moscow connection was actually government  :evil:

[tim 360]

So they catch 10 people and charge 9 with money laundering.... not sure if the Moscow connection was actually government  :evil:

This was a very puny catch that we are trumpeting.  I guess Homeland wanted to advertise what a great job they are doing.

[Sculpto]

Tim I don't think so.. I think the timing is funny and there is some other motive. 

[tim 360]

Which Agency do you think the KGB is using?  This is Anna Chapman, ex-of a Brit:

[Sculpto]

Oh excuse me please. The security of the world was messed up by GHB and GWB. Maybe you should have clarified that earlier. Reality has left you far in the dust Sculpt. You are so blinded by your own self-absorbed need to have a boogeyman and he be a right-winger, any reality eludes you. Good luck with that mentality. Maybe you should fire up some primo sativa for a more positive outlook?


More vast right-wing conspiracy?

The thing is.. Faux.. the reality has left the right side of the aisle.. that is clear from the tone and content of the rhetoric for quite some time now.  The sound of desperation is int he air and frankly almost everyone with even half a brain can see it.  So.. go ahead and marginalize yourselves even more.  The right has lost any credibility they might have had.. and I really can't wait for the Obama Palin debates.. that will be material for the comedians for a decade.  So, please.. please keep up the obstructions and obfuscations and denials.. you are just insuring four more years of the current president.

And no.. this incident has nothing to do with the right wing but may very well have something to do with posturing over energy policy in general and the use of political force to get the Russians to have a specific reaction relative to Iran and the ongoing problems in central asia.

[ECOCKS]

It's good to see that some things are consistent in life....

Boethius is correct regarding a new base opened in Poland, May 2010:

Poland welcomes U.S. missile battery as key to national security

"The United States opened a temporary military base near the northern Polish town of Morag, 80 km (50 miles) from the Russian border under the Supplemental Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) signed in February.

For two years, U.S. troops will be deployed at the base for about one month in three to train Polish forces, with the base to become permanent from 2012."

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100526/159170014.html

[Sculpto]

rhetoric elevates..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100629/ap_on_re_us/us_doj_russia_arrests

[Vaughn]

On a purely selfish note, my tourist visa application rests somewhere in the
Russian Consulate's D.C. complex - and I'm hoping a spiteful denial isn't my fate...

News this evening on Russian Channel One (9 PM Eastern) is gonna be most interesting...

[Seeker]

On a purely selfish note, my tourist visa application rests somewhere in the
Russian Consulate's D.C. complex - and I'm hoping a spiteful denial isn't my fate...

News this evening on Russian Channel One (9 PM Eastern) is gonna be most interesting...

Oh crap.  Mine too.  I hadn't even thought of that.

[Faux Pas]

The thing is.. Faux.. the reality has left the right side of the aisle.. that is clear from the tone and content of the rhetoric for quite some time now.  The sound of desperation is int he air and frankly almost everyone with even half a brain can see it.  So.. go ahead and marginalize yourselves even more.  The right has lost any credibility they might have had..

Oh wow! The thing is. Is that the "thing". You have no clue thing, Sculpt. I can only assume you know what you  speak of and you do in fact, possess  "half a brain". You continue to associate me with the right. I guess everyone who isn't on the lunatic fringe left with your rose colored glasses is on the Right?

and I really can't wait for the Obama Palin debates.. that will be material for the comedians for a decade.  So, please.. please keep up the obstructions and obfuscations and denials.. you are just insuring four more years of the current president.

Could you possibly build anymore of a strawman? I don't think so

And no.. this incident has nothing to do with the right wing but may very well have something to do with posturing over energy policy in general and the use of political force to get the Russians to have a specific reaction relative to Iran and the ongoing problems in central asia.

And you know this how exactly? Would this be the current Administrations posturing or the Right wingers posturing. Maybe the Russian posturing? Are you possibly having a problem with Iran now? Please do explain yourself.

[chivo]

Much ado about nothing. Tell me in 6 2 months if anybody cares. Business as usual.

[brad5959]

if these inept people were actually spies, than we have little to fear.  the real russian spies of ww2 were very instrumental in the defeat of nazi Germany.

[ECOCKS]

More of the picture gets filled in:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/kremlin_ring_MATedSSV1hGx1xr7UfvqpM