Cannabis.. yes or no

[Sculpto]

In response to the change of thought...

My last real live together, love completely, relationship ended in 2000.  From previous alcohol abuse.  And she still slipped up once in a while when we were together.

I knew our time was limited when I met her.  But I loved her so much it didn't matter.  Probably a bad example, but it is the one I have to give.

Well, thats why I am bringing it up Seeker.. its been an issue for me twice in the past.. once with alcohol and once with hard drugs.. the alcohol I knew about in advance and was an AW.. the other situation was more deceptive on her part.. I knew she liked to drink and sometimes too much... what I didn't know was she had another addiction..

it was well hidden.  I can spot that stuff.  So, if someone like me.. who has been exposed to everything.. can be fooled.. well.. someone with less experience is a sitting duck.

[brad5959]

Cannabis..yes or no

that is your title, and the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

now just accept it.  don't respond, argue or mock.

[Kuna]

Cannabis..yes or no

that is your title, and the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

now just accept it.  don't respond, argue or mock.

No one could have said it better...  of course it doesn't mean he'll listen.  Thanks for trying to get us back on-topic anyway!

[Kuna]

However, it is somewhat legitimate to consider the question of how a guy's drug habit may affect his relationship with an FSUW. This seems particularly relevant if he expects her participation and support of his preferences in a long-term relationship.

We know how heavy and long term drug use impairs a man's ability to create and maintain a relationship with an FSUW - in fact,  it seems ANY woman.

Scam after scam after scam...

Denial Denial Denial

Train wreck after train wreck...

Fantasy Fantasy

Humiliation after humilation...

Excuse Excuse

Surely any man in control of his life would not let this happen to himself. 

Drugs destroy lives... the only ones denying it are living questionable lives.

There's a vast difference between recreational use (i.e. joint at a party twice a year) and someone who advocates drug use as a lifestyle choice.

I check with my wife.  She only knows one person who openly smoked,  The husband of her friend/workmate.  I should say EX-HUSBAND because when she fell pregnant she demanded he stop smoking and he didn't,  so divorced him.

She only knows of one other person using drugs regularly,  a neighbour who sounds like she has serious life problems (we'd spoken of her before,  her abortions,  etc)

She says there ARE big drug problems all around Ukraine but the only people seeing drugs favourably are those with drug problems. 

[Rutherford]

I say   "Yes"  , legalize it .   My concern is the
 Mexican drug   cartels and the problems it's creating  in bordering states and Mexico .  At least decriminalize   the  hell out  of  it .
No more prison for  small amounts   , say , under 10 pounds  .

RR

[tfcrew]

 

The medical evidence is clear that pot is at least as impairing as alcohol and as damaging to your health as tobacco. I'd just as soon suck on a car exhaust and eat out of used ash trays as smoke it.

You would have to be really stoned to do that.

if you fully legalize pot, the drug cartels will come out with a version of pot laced with a more addictive drug.

Doubtful, as the only scientific ability these people seem to know is the physics of squeezing a trigger.



 

[ECOCKS]

   
You would have to be really stoned to do that.

My point exactly, ah the irony!

[BillyB]

Dave, 2012 also mentioned his RW has issues up the wazzoo from Ukrianian men. Just letting you know before you edit my comments. I previoiusly responded that was a red flag that's she's holding it against him for what others have done to her. I've been involved with women who dated all the wrong men and it's not good. My comment to 2012 was not to embarrass him but to help him firgure it out. He is bringing out more info about what's going on with his life. It seems does not want to hear anything about red flags and I suspect he will spend a year+ with a RW that's not into him. What's new?

[KenC]

Dave, he did talk about his gf behavior that she doesn't want to talk about anything serious with him for one year and willing to smoke dope and to sum it up, I said she's not into him. When I told him to get serious about life, he should not only think about the RW, but think about how to raise the RW daughter. Living life responsibly seems to hurt his feelings. I made some good points on why the RW is not into him and it hurt his feelings to the point he pleaded for a mod to remove my words. For a guy who gets his feelings hurt easily, he sure don't care about others. Nobody in this forum calls other people idiots, dorks and morons more than him. In the last few months I have not seen a mod edit his words. Just saying that I hope we don't get to the point of having different standards for people.

I agree with you Billy, but it is a matter of the squeaking wheel getting the grease.  No one cries to the MOD's more than 2012 even though he is the most guilty of provoking and name calling here.  But they do tend to coddle the bigest babies still.
KenC

[tfcrew]

 

 How many countless $billions$ have left this country for an imported weed?


 

[ECOCKS]

For the rational, a sobering picture of some lovely RW women.....

Recovering heroin users relax on a bed at Moscow's Narcological Hospital No. 17.

Estimates are 21% of world heroin consumption is in Russia.

[ECOCKS]

For those still living in the real world it is interesting that consumption in Canada and the US, where they are still fighting "the war on drugs", consumption is estimated at 6% of the world total.

No. 1 Region for consumption of heroin?

Europe, estimated at 26% and 88 Metric Tons annually. How are those liberal drug laws working out over there? Well, you be the judge.

This picture is from the primary heroin marketplace in Madrid, Las Baranquillas, where an estimated 5,000 or more addicts congregate at night to share sources and enjoy the healthy camaraderie of kindred spirits.

[tfcrew]

tfcrew, If I remember correctly, you are a retired judge. Do you have any experience making rulings pertaining to drug related crimes? If so, what is your opinion on what laws should remain intact and what laws should be removed?

Actually, I am a retired land surveyor /am rock guitar player/ex-hippie [I guess]/was a US Navy sailor.
tfcrew is just a posting handle..my name is Karl.
I attribute all my legal problems to alcoholism which I quit [along with cigarettes] years ago.  

This is some info worth a glance. Happened in Dallas the other day..

The son of Police Chief David Brown who fatally shot a Lancaster police officer and an innocent bystander in a Father's Day shootout had PCP and marijuana in his bloodstream, autopsy results released Wednesday show.

David Brown Jr., 27, also had been shot nine times and had suffered multiple superficial injuries that contained bullet fragments, the autopsy found.

The drug PCP can cause psychosis, irrational and unpredictable violent behavior. Street users frequently mix marijuana and PCP which is known as "wacky weed" or "wack."

 

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/06/the-son-of-police-chief.html

[tfcrew]

PCP unlike marijuana [which grows naturally] is made from poisonous chemicals that dissolve brain matter much like glue and crack.

[BC]

PCP unlike marijuana [which grows naturally] is made from poisonous chemicals that dissolve brain matter much like glue and crack.

Moderation is the key.

Everything is poisonous, even water can kill you.

[BC]

For the rational, a sobering picture of some lovely RW women.....

Recovering heroin users relax on a bed at Moscow's Narcological Hospital No. 17.

Estimates are 21% of world heroin consumption is in Russia.

At least it seems such is being viewed as a disease instead of plague.. better than jail anyway..

Is this the fate of FSUW that aren't pretty enough to sign up at an agency?

What's your point E?

[BC]

For those still living in the real world it is interesting that consumption in Canada and the US, where they are still fighting "the war on drugs", consumption is estimated at 6% of the world total.

No. 1 Region for consumption of heroin?

Europe, estimated at 26% and 88 Metric Tons annually. How are those liberal drug laws working out over there? Well, you be the judge.

This picture is from the primary heroin marketplace in Madrid, Las Baranquillas, where an estimated 5,000 or more addicts congregate at night to share sources and enjoy the healthy camaraderie of kindred spirits.

Yeah, and if it's anything like here getting a clean needle isn't a problem as they are available at any grocery store at a small price or even given away to help prevent communicable diseases from sharing needles.

Go to your local grocer and try to find a pack of 5 ml syringes.. try your local pharmacy.. try anywhere.. my bet is you won't be able to get even one.

Drugs.. impossible to stop it so better to learn to deal with it a bit more responsibly.

[BillyB]

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/06/the-son-of-police-chief.html

Chriss Simms, professional athelete recently got caught driving high on marijuana with his 8-months pregnant wife in the car. Fortunately nothing serious happened. The cops made his wife drive.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/chris_simms_arrested_on_driving_wWRUJkveAVjo84Cvb6q2kO

I have to consider his persistent posting on the topic of my FRIEND to be harassment.

Twobit talked about the ladies he dated and people commented on the ladies and his actions. You might want to go rescue him while you're at it. 2012, after all the years you've been here at the forum and talked about the varioius RW you've met, people have criticized the actions of you and your ladies for good reasons. They attempt to steer you in the right direction with some advice that you always ignore. Now you want to change the rules that nobody can comment on a lady, your lady, that give out red flags. If you don't want advice, don't speak about your lady ever again or just speak only of her good qualities. It's all up to you.

[ECOCKS]

At least it seems such is being viewed as a disease instead of plague.. better than jail anyway..

Is this the fate of FSUW that aren't pretty enough to sign up at an agency?

What's your point E?

My point?

Uh, being On Topic for a change concerning the OP's request to discuss how the use of drugs in the FSU affects the potential for having a relationship with an FSUW. Have you been paying any attention to the discussion?

In line with this conversation, the usage rates of drugs has been mentioned several times. It was just borught up that heroin is a serious problem in the FSU and this would lend some credence to that statement. This is a real life example of how the problem has impacted Russia, the US, Canada and Europe. If we had significant numbers of posters from India, Africa, Thailand, China and the like I would have brought those up too.

[Seeker]

Yeah, and if it's anything like here getting a clean needle isn't a problem as they are available at any grocery store at a small price or even given away to help prevent communicable diseases from sharing needles.

Go to your local grocer and try to find a pack of 5 ml syringes.. try your local pharmacy.. try anywhere.. my bet is you won't be able to get even one.

Drugs.. impossible to stop it so better to learn to deal with it a bit more responsibly.

Very well said.  If it can't be stopped (which it won't be by laws) lessen the damage.  "Educate and heal" is better than putting people in prison for a victimless crime.  And cheaper in the long run.

And before someone jumps on the word 'victimless' I mean there was no direct harm to anyone as opposed to a robbery or murder.  Of course family, friends, work, whatever might suffer.  That depends on the person and how they live up to their own responsibilities.  We can't micromanage everyone's life for them.  Lessening the damage is the best we can do.

[Boethius]

Ed, the "war on drugs" in Canada is very much based on education and rehabilitation rather than punishment.  It's working, as drug use has decreased over the past five years.  You can pretty much openly smoke pot anywhere in Canada without arrest, same with most other drugs.  Dealers, on the other hand, are dealt with more severely, and the penalties are going to be increased.

BC's economy stays afloat because of drugs.  It is probably bigger than forestry in the provincial economy, and accounts for the buoyant home prices.  

Coupled with drug use is crime, and if you use illegal drugs, you are just as responsible for the death and mayhem on the streets as the gangs offing each other for market share.

[BC]

My point?

Uh, being On Topic for a change concerning the OP's request to discuss how the use of drugs in the FSU affects the potential for having a relationship with an FSUW. Have you been paying any attention to the discussion?

Somewhat, yes.. but from joint to fix is a long stretch..

In line with this conversation, the usage rates of drugs has been mentioned several times. It was just borught up that heroin is a serious problem in the FSU and this would lend some credence to that statement. This is a real life example of how the problem has impacted Russia, the US, Canada and Europe. If we had significant numbers of posters from India, Africa, Thailand, China and the like I would have brought those up too.

Really E. does anyone here really care about some person male or female getting a fix in some dark corner of the subway in Moscow?

Obviously off topic.

On topic, I dropped my ex GF when she started growing hemp plants on the top of our house.  An occasional 'doobie' I can understand and even partake, but above that I'm not that tolerant.  My 'in moderation' vision might encompass a joint or two a week, not per day even though sex when high does tend to be quite enjoyable and 'loose'.

[ECOCKS]

Yeah, and if it's anything like here getting a clean needle isn't a problem as they are available at any grocery store at a small price or even given away to help prevent communicable diseases from sharing needles.

Go to your local grocer and try to find a pack of 5 ml syringes.. try your local pharmacy.. try anywhere.. my bet is you won't be able to get even one.

Drugs.. impossible to stop it so better to learn to deal with it a bit more responsibly.

How much money did you put on that bet?

Hope it wasn't much.

Both my Albertson's grocery store and Walgreen's pharmacy wanted to know how many and what size when I asked if I could purchase syringes less than 15 minutes ago.

[ECOCKS]

Somewhat, yes.. but from joint to fix is a long stretch..

Really E. does anyone here really care about some person male or female getting a fix in some dark corner of the subway in Moscow?

Obviously off topic.

On topic, I dropped my ex GF when she started growing hemp plants on the top of our house.  An occasional 'doobie' I can understand and even partake, but above that I'm not that tolerant.  My 'in moderation' vision might encompass a joint or two a week, not per day even though sex when high does tend to be quite enjoyable and 'loose'.

Obviously not paying attention to the OP's discussion efforts.

[ECOCKS]

Ed, the "war on drugs" in Canada is very much based on education and rehabilitation rather than punishment.  It's working, as drug use has decreased over the past five years.  You can pretty much openly smoke pot anywhere in Canada without arrest, same with most other drugs.  Dealers, on the other hand, are dealt with more severely, and the penalties are going to be increased.

BC's economy stays afloat because of drugs.  It is probably bigger than forestry in the provincial economy, and accounts for the buoyant home prices.  

Coupled with drug use is crime, and if you use illegal drugs, you are just as responsible for the death and mayhem on the streets as the gangs offing each other for market share.

Yes, it would seem that the "war on drugs" has at least been somewhat successful in holding down consumption whether it involves raising prices due to constraining supply or other choking of the supply lines.

To be clear, the US and Canada combined, account for 6% of the world's total consumption.

I was reading somewhere a week or so ago that Russia blames the war in Afghanistan for the reason that their supply has gone up. The theory is that we are allowing the government to slack off on pursuing poppy growers so as to keep their economy afloat.

The interesting part is that people are people, like we see with cigarettes, it takes incontrovertible evidence, presented clearly and repeatedly, to convince people that there is a health/safety hazard. After decades of increases cigarette smoking has finally begun to drop and I expect to see the same in the drug trade eventually.

Oh, thanks to whoever posted that "I was getting high" youtube vid, my wife and son loved it.