Diabetes

[Blues Fairy]

BF, as much as I like your posts ( usually), I cannot help mentioning that your inputs would "look" much more attractive and condusive for discussion if you abstained from picking on  people trying to deminish their dignity. Otherwise, you will end up with the reputation of THE ONLY educated one on this board.  

Ludmila,

I apologize if my post looked to you like an attack on your dignity.  It was merely an attempt to correct your implied generalization of people suffering from diabetes as the ones who fail to lead a healthy lifestyle.  That, coupled with your advice to the OP to look for an educated woman, was what ticked me off - understandably. 

[OlgaH]

I would also ask.. at what point is it ok to ask about STDs?

I think it would more proper to ask about it face to face, when you feel comfortable to discuss any privet issue. Anyway she should know that she will have to go through the medical exam.

[Ade]

I would think sooner rather than later. Be honest about your restrictions but don't be melodramatic about it. Let it come up naturally; that's not difficult if your first date is in a restaurant - if you've been talking on the net beforehand, mention it when talking about yourself.

I have 2 auto-immune disorders one of which has dietary restrictions and I always brought these up early on in conversations; with the normal dating scenarios a restaurant was always involved early on so it was easy and natural to mention it. When your first "date" is on the net, especially if the communication is prolonged before meeting it's not so easy to slot it into the conversation but I brought it up anyway. It has never be an issue with anyone but then I've only bothered dating those who seemed to have something between their ears; I'm sure there are some (see below) that have a weird view of the world that may have issues though.

Whitestar,

Don't worry , please. Everything will be fine. You simply have to find a smart and educated one.

In America it is very easy for people  to develop diabetes, if they don't take precautions and do not educate themselves and change their nutrition habits. So, I rather think it is better to "overdo" than "underdo" with precautions. For your lady not less than for you.

If you read the sites where Russian ladies share about their impressions about life in America,you will see that the majority is conscious about healthy/unhealthy eating habits.

My advice to you (and any other man for this matter) would be to warn the lady coming from FSU  that the lifestyle here is different, and if she doesn't respect the limitations this lifestyle imposes, she will end up with a number of unwanted pounds sooner than she will notice. So, better if she listens to you, because the limitations of a diabetic person are actually the ones for the people who want to stay in shape.

I have never been diabetic or shown any inclinations to this condition. But I have always kept "my ears and eyes on the alert" in this sense, because I have always wanted to stay in shape, which I am. For that end, you have to agree to certain limitations ( which, to a great extent, coincide with the diet of a diabetic person). When I came here ( almost 9 years ago), I gasped when I saw what my husband and his relatives chose for nutrition. My husband almost came close to developing diabetes, according to the data and bloodwork. I was very consistent and categorical in my effort he drastically change this nutrition. Which he did. As a result, his sugar is in norm , and  he doesn't have to take any pills. As a bonus, his blood pressure pill became unnecessary too. His doctor is still amazed.  5 years without the blood pressure pill. Excellent cholesterol level. He is an avid sportsman. Leads a very active life, and LOVES ME !!!!!!!!!!!

Ludmila, really, your ignorance and condescension know no bounds do they?   

[Shadow]

Ludmila is not completely besides the truth. There are many different causes for diabetes, and a combination of irregular lifestyle and bad nutrition often is a cause, as I know from my surroundings.
By a strict regime in the early stages it can be cured, but once insuline is no longer produced it is irreversible.

[Ade]

Ludmila is not completely besides the truth. There are many different causes for diabetes, and a combination of irregular lifestyle and bad nutrition often is a cause, as I know from my surroundings.
By a strict regime in the early stages it can be cured, but once insuline is no longer produced it is irreversible.

Uh huh. And, pray tell, how does that in any way excuse the tone and inferences in her incredibly condescending post?

[Shadow]

Uh huh. And, pray tell, how does that in any way excuse the tone and inferences in her incredibly condescending post?

I guess you see something there which I do not.
Her points:
- In America there are many bad nutrition habits that can help in developing diabetes
- FSU women are wary of this
- her husband got close to diabetes, but a better diet and excersize helped him.
Anything I missed ?

[Ade]

I guess you see something there which I do not.
Her points:
- In America there are many bad nutrition habits that can help in developing diabetes
- FSU women are wary of this
- her husband got close to diabetes, but a better diet and excersize helped him.
Anything I missed ?

Yes, the assumption that his diabetes was self inflicted with a bad diet and unhealthy lifestyle in addition to the inference that he's an idiot and doesn't know a thing about his own illness. I think her belittling of the dietary restrictions of a diabetic by comparing them to what a healthy RW chooses to eat was also fairly ridiculous. But what do I know.

[Shadow]

Yes, the assumption that his diabetes was self inflicted with a bad diet and unhealthy lifestyle in addition to the inference that he's an idiot and doesn't know a thing about his own illness. I think her belittling of the dietary restrictions of a diabetic by comparing them to what a healthy RW chooses to eat was also fairly ridiculous. But what do I know.

We do not know anything about how Whitestar75 got his condition, but diabetes *can* be self-inflicted by a bad diet and unhealthy lifestyle. I have a close friend who is the living example of it.
As for the level of heathy food, my personal experience is that my diet has changed for the better by having my wife decide what to cook. And that does not mean we are without any junk food, just in general a much better balance.
In many topic it is shown that RW are less used to microwave dinners, constant junk food and other fattening products and seen as virtue. Yet when this is compared to the dietary restrictions of a diabetec and seen as not far off it is belittling. Ok, if that suits you.

What we can conclude from this is that whitestar75 might not have a big problem in having an RW following his dietary habits, as her general habits could already be pretty close. This can be seen as positive rather than negative.

[GQBlues]

I guess you see something there which I do not.
Her points:
- In America there are many bad nutrition habits that can help in developing diabetes
- FSU women are wary of this
- her husband got close to diabetes, but a better diet and excersize helped him.
Anything I missed ?

Yeah. A very significant one at that... 

Hi, I am 35 and from the UK.

I have this idea of meeting a russian lady.  But before I get my fingers burnt I thought I should find out everything there is to know.....so I ended up here (through a round about way).

I prefer to arm myself with knowledge before jumping into something.

I think whitestar would first need to move to the US, then get his citizenship, prior to getting hitched with a RW and making that silly statement even remotely applicable.

[Misha]

Ludmila is not completely besides the truth. There are many different causes for diabetes, and a combination of irregular lifestyle and bad nutrition often is a cause, as I know from my surroundings.
By a strict regime in the early stages it can be cured, but once insuline is no longer produced it is irreversible.

This according to Health Canada: "There is no single cause of type 2 diabetes but some factors can put you at greater risk." Some of the risk factors:

    * being age 40 or over;
    * being overweight (especially with abdominal obesity);
    * having a family member who has diabetes;
    * having had gestational diabetes;
    * having given birth to a baby that weighed more than 4 kg (9 lb) at birth;
    * high blood pressure;
    * high cholesterol or other fats in the blood; or
    * member of a high-risk ethnic group.

None of these are causes as none of these risk factors will lead to the onset of type 2 diabetes in all (or even most) individuals.

Source: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/diseases-maladies/diabete-eng.php

[OlgaH]

"While not everyone with type 2 diabetes is overweight, obesity and lack of physical activity are two of the most common causes of this form of diabetes. It is also responsible for nearly 95% of diabetes cases in the United States, according to the CDC."
http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/diabetes-causes

[Sculpto]

hmm seems Ludmilla's assessment wasn't that far from the truth.

[Blues Fairy]

hmm seems Ludmilla's assessment wasn't that far from the truth.

What makes you think Whitestar has type 2 diabetes?  He's only 35 and obviously has had the condition for a while; besides, he has mentioned that he is fit and leads a healthy lifestyle.  Type 2 is more prevalent among older people, or overweight.  

[whitestar75]

Its funny...when I started this I thought I was only going to get a few replies...not a full blown debate 

Diabetes is in my family........grandmother had it......skipped a generation.....and now I have it.

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes just over a year ago.

[Boethius]

The difference is that in Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas never produces insulin.  In Type 2 diabetes, insulin is present.  Being overweight is a factor in developing Type 2 diabetes.  So are lack of physical activity and stress.  However, one can develop Type 2 diabetes in the absence of these factors.  It's just more likely, if one is insulin resistant, that Type 2 diabetes will develop due to poor lifestyle choices.

[ECOCKS]

Its funny...when I started this I thought I was only going to get a few replies...not a full blown debate 

Diabetes is in my family........grandmother had it......skipped a generation.....and now I have it.

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes just over a year ago.

Welcome to RWD....

[OlgaH]

My "diabetic" posts nothing have to do with the OP. It is just in general.

CDC National Diabetes Fact Sheet, 2007
General Information
Prevalence of diagnosed diabetes in people younger than 20 years of age, United States, 2007
• About 186,300 people younger than 20 years have diabetes (type 1 or type 2). This represents 0.2% of all people in this age group. Estimates of undiagnosed diabetes are unavailable for this age group.

Based on 2002–2003 data, 15,000 youth in the United States were newly diagnosed with type 1 diabetes annually, and about 3,700 youth were newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes annually.
•
The rate of new cases among youth was 19.0 per 100,000 each year for type 1 diabetes and
5.3 per 100,000 for type 2 diabetes

A child with diabetes type 1 being exposed to unhealthy diet and life style most likely will develop type 2 to his teen age.    

[Boethius]

No, Olga, if a child has type 1 diabetes, he/she will have it the rest of his or her life.

[Misha]

A child with diabetes type 1 being exposed to unhealthy diet and life style most likely will develop type 2 to his teen age.    

Well, no. There are some genetic factors at play. You make it sound as if every overweight child will develop type 2 diabetes by the age of 18  It is not so simple.

[Misha]

However, one can develop Type 2 diabetes in the absence of these factors.

One can also not develop type 2 diabetes even if you have all the risk factors.

[OlgaH]

No, Olga, if a child has type 1 diabetes, he/she will have it the rest of his or her life.

It was just my guess. (we have never had such problem in my family and among my friends, so I really did not pay so much attention to the different types till this time) I think more correct would be:

A child being exposed to unhealthy diet and life style most likely will develop type 2 to his teen age and even earlier, especially if he has a family history.

"CDC:
Type 2 diabetes in children and adolescents already appears to be a sizable and growing problem among U.S. children and adolescents. Better physician awareness and monitoring of the disease’s magnitude will be necessary."

[Sculpto]

maybe people should stop drinking carbonated soft drinks and eliminate foods with high fructose corn syrup from their diets.. I suspect with just those two minor modifications people's overal health will improve dramatically..

[Fashionista]

My question is would a russian lady be put off with someone with diabetes?

whitestar75

And the comprehensive answer is either yes or no, depending on a russian lady. As to the question weather you should mention it on first date, sure, mention it, if you will be discussing each others health on first date. If not, you can easily postpone sharing that bit of information till you do, if ever .

Let me let you in on a little secret: you don't have to match certain technical specifications to be liked or even loved. Good luck with you search

[OlgaH]

And the comprehensive answer is either yes or no, depending on a russian lady. As to the question weather you should mention it on first date, sure, mention it, if you will be discussing each others health on first date. If not, you can easily postpone sharing that bit of information till you do, if ever .

I would rather agree that he should share his health information when he feels comfortable, but he never should hide it or postpone till time when they will decide to go for a fiancee visa. It is also about the health of their future child if they will plan one. It should not be a surprise for her.

[Ludmila]

Whitestar,

Once again,just to reiterate my message to you.

 Seriously Jaded and some others wanted to read into my post something WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO with my point, which was : EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE. iF YOUR LADY JOINS YOU IN YOUR DIET SHE WIIL DO MORE GOOD FOR HERSELF. If she understands what healthy nutrition is she will only be glad to stay away from foods that are your limitations.

My post never meant that the only reason for diabetes are poor nutrition habits. An informed teenager would know that there are a number of reasons for this condition, hereditary being one of them. So, I am not even bothering to go into it.

Never , nowhere did I try to imply anything condescending or negative to you. Please note, it was only the fruit of perverted reading habits of SJ and his buddy.

Shadow is giving a pretty clear and accurate gist of my post.

Blues Fairy, now I know you didn't mean any hurt. Thank you, and we shall move on. I almost always agree with your posts, which I like and value. I would like to see more subjunctive forms in your posts though.  Subjunctives  make the utterance sound less rigid, categorical or forward, IMHO.

Back to the OP, Whitestar, you will be fine. Finally,  the answer to your original question : no, diabetes of my partner would never put me off .