Different countries, different tastes...

[Olga_Mouse]

There are other countries too - why assume everyone wants to go to America?
 

That's just a part of a_murrican upbringing I guess - they sincerely believe their country is the center of the universe! So when somebody doesn't share this particular point of view & is NOT wanting to go to the starred & striped land, a_murricans seem to be genuinely surprised (at best...   )

[Gator]

Olga and Bobcat,

I don't believe that posts such as FredC's reflect American arrogance, rather the fact that most men at RWD are Americans.

We use the term "Russian women" even though there are a large number of women (and RWD wives) from Ukraine and other FSU countries. 

We do not have the data, yet I feel that there are more men from Europe than the USA pursuing FSUW.  Maybe women listed with EM and Russian Euro could tally the numbers of men listings. 

I found it interesting that many FSUW limited their search in their profiles to European men.  Some listed only Finnish men.  What is the story with that?  Finland has a small population and surely there could never be enough men for all the single RW.  I thought Finnish men were better known for alcohol binges rather than lovemaking.     Evidently not.

[veritas]

That's just a part of a_murrican upbringing I guess - they sincerely believe their country is the center of the universe! So when somebody doesn't share this particular point of view & is NOT wanting to go to the starred & striped land, a_murricans seem to be genuinely surprised (at best...  )

I think that has a lot to do with feeling like our country is still "fresh" and "new", a (relatively) long-time beacon
of "freedom" and "democracy", and in a position of "leadership" and "prosperity" (since World War II, at least) ...
And that English has become the "lingua franca", especially in techology, for much of the rest of the world ...

Also, I suspect that Americans in general are rather proud of the way "we" conquered "from sea to shining sea"
(at the expense of Native Americans, England, Spain, France -- sort of -- Mexico, of course, and maybe others) ...

I was reading about Odessa, Ukraine, and Russia yesterday -- and I also realized that "our country", since 1783,
has no history of invasion, occupation, changing hands, etc. ... I guess we've had it pretty easy here, our "Civil
War" (WBTS) notwithstanding ... (I also read about the Cyrillic/Ukrainian alphabets/languages and predecessors) ...

Americans, though, would do well to study and appreciate the REST of the globe, because other people (and
other nations) have had many formative experiences and rich cultures (and languages) that we have NOT had ...

But REALLY. OlgaMouse -- "a_murricans"?   

Kevin

[Olga_Mouse]

But REALLY. OlgaMouse -- "a_murricans"?   

Oh yes, surely I shouldn't have used an indefinite article before the noun in plural  My bad!

See? That's all your fault, Kevin - you shouldn't have complimented my English! 

[veritas]

Done. The side-track is sidetracked. Carry on Lana 

Thanks, Faux Pas ... I never intended to hijack Lana's intro ... 

Please try to stay on topic 

Done!  I'll say no more about ugly "a_murricans" -- as long as OlgaMouse doesn't! 

Kevin

[Olga_Mouse]

I don't believe that posts such as FredC's reflect American arrogance, rather the fact that most men at RWD are Americans.

But why then FredC made an assumption that Lana would be interested in looking up some American dating sites? Has she openly stated her geographical preferences somewhere, and I just missed them?  ???

We use the term "Russian women" even though there are a large number of women (and RWD wives) from Ukraine and other FSU countries.

I thought the term used more often would be "FSU women"? (Inspite of somebody complaining about Florida State University...   )

I found it interesting that many FSUW limited their search in their profiles to European men. 

I personally don't find anything interesting in limiting my search in my own profiles by European men only; moreover, I explicitely write that I'm interested in Spanish, Italian and French men.

I've been to France 4 times, to Italy 5 times, to Spain 4 times. I know and I love these countries, their climate and landscapes, their history and cultures, their architecture and fashion, their cuisine and music. I speak French freely, and thanks to having learnt some Latin at the University I'm able to understand quite a bit of Italian and a bit of Spanish without learning, simply after staying 2-3 weeks in these countries. I know real property prices in these countries, and I have some friends \ acquaintances already living there. I have an idea about how Russian women are perceived there; what "cultural differences" to expect there, and how to handle these differences. I know the flight ticket prices to get to Moscow from these countries at different seasons and with different airlines, and the duration of these flights.

In other words, I had a test drive - and I'm ready to buy this car. So for me personally going to the destination known & loved is much more logical & promising than heading for the unknown.

[veritas]

I thought the term used more often would be "FSU women"? (Inspite of somebody complaining about Florida State University...   )

And after three (solid) days on here, my natural reflex is STILL to think of shapely co-eds in Tallahassee!   

OFF-TOPIC: This is my very first discussion board, and I'm finding that it can be a REAL "time-sucker" --
because I ALLOW it to be (I'm unemployed) -- but it's just SO hard to RESIST, with such interesting,
thoughtful, considerate (and FUNNY!) folks on here ...    Welcome again, Lana, and thanks to all!

Kevin

P.S.  I'm "straight up" about my unemployment in my EM profile and with Florida State University women ... 

[Olga_Mouse]

Olga... what about love?

What about love? You want to ask me something about love, or you want to tell me something about love?

What I hear in your post is love for a place, and absolutely nothing about finding a man that you love.

Because I was commenting the post which was about a place as well. As to men - each man is a product of the society he grew in. I would feel much more comfortable next to a man grown in Spanish, French and even Italian society than next to a murrican a transatlantic guy  

Why not do what Lily has done and simply immigrate?    I am just asking so don't get flipped..

Because Lily was interested in a country which has a skilled immigrants program. There is no such thing in Spain, unfortunately...

One of the Jooky's Moscow friends has actually moved to Canada, hoping to move to Spain once she'll get canadian residence - but for me that road looks way to curved, sorry!

For what I know, the legal ways of obtaining Spanish residence are:
- Having a work contract during 3 years. These are issued to hotel room cleaners, restaurant waitresses, agricultural workers... For this type of jobs I'm too clever, I hope
- Purchasing a business in Spain, which employs a certain number of local citizens. But to make that business profitable one needs certain type of knowledge and experience... so for this option I'm not clever enough
- Marriage  

What I personally find annoying is that purchasing real property is not giving residency rights - only the permission to spend in the country 180 days per year (90 days in each 6 months). Just thinking that a semi-detached house a few kilometes south of Alicante, 5 minutes drive from A-7, 2 floors and an attic, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, parking space, small garden, access to communal pool, 15 minutes walk to the gorgeous beach, 3 supermarkets and 4 restaurants at a walking distance - A PARADISE IN MY BOOKS! - costs the same as my tiny* apartment in not the best of all Moscow residential areas makes me grit my teeth!  

* By "tiny" I mean really tiny. What's your star-striped idea of tiny? Divide that into four, and you'll be close to my reality.

[BC]

That's just a part of a_murrican upbringing I guess - they sincerely believe their country is the center of the universe! So when somebody doesn't share this particular point of view & is NOT wanting to go to the starred & striped land, a_murricans seem to be genuinely surprised (at best...   )

Olga,

After pondering this attitude for a quarter century, I sum it up as a side-effect of geographic isolation.

It's tough enough to learn all the state capitols in school..

[possum]

It's tough enough to learn all the state capitols in school..

Good point! In Russia most regions are names after their respective capital cities. Besides, born Americans are free from the refugee mentality Russians(Soviets) grew up with for decades, so they're not subconsciously seeking a place to relocate outside of the US.

[Boethius]

Interesting observation, possum, though I'm not sure I'd agree.

I know a lot of Ukrainians who would never consider leaving the home of their ancestors.  Travel is fine, but settling somewhere else is unthinkable. 

I'm sure that's the case for Russians, too.

[possum]

Interesting observation, possum, though I'm not sure I'd agree.

I know a lot of Ukrainians who would never consider leaving the home of their ancestors.  Travel is fine, but settling somewhere else is unthinkable.  

I'm sure that's the case for Russians, too.

Americans like to travel, too, and they know there is US and then there's other countries.. but since they're only good to travel to- America is the best country on earth- why bother with specifics?.  

[FredC]

OK, I am sorry I misspoke. I should not have specified an American dating site . I should have said a Western Dating site.

[Daveman]

OK, I am sorry I misspoke. I should not have specified an American dating site . I should have said a Western Dating site.

 

Ya think?? I'm surprised at you Fred... that pretty lady on your arm in your avatar should have taught you (several times) by now that a spiral into the abyss in only a single word (or lack thereof) away!   

[Blues Fairy]

Americans, though, would do well to study and appreciate the REST of the globe, because other people (and other nations) have had many formative experiences and rich cultures (and languages) that we have NOT had ...

Study yes, but not necessarily appreciate.  Some countries/nations have very little to appreciate about the formative experiences they have had. 

[Gator]

Olga,  you are one frustrated mouse.  You have a dream.  Do your best to achieve it.

I wish you success in finding your dream, and I hope it is as perfect as you have envisioned it.

Trying to find a man from these countries to marry you and move you there is only one method.  There are other things you could do, and NOT on that list is hanging out in an English speaking forum predominated by Americans.

Do you like the men from these countries or just their country?  I enjoy America because we are so diverse that one can make if not find their ideal lifestyle here (climate, culture, fashion, education, entertainment, hobbies, interests, etc.).  If Joe Six Pack bothers you, ignore him and socialize with friends of your ilk. 

And if it is indeed the man, what is it exactly about the man that you like?  There are plenty of Hispanic men in America, although most are shorter than Spaniards.  For sure we have many Italians.  French are few here due to a secret government program that evicted most of them. 

In other words, I had a test drive - and I'm ready to buy this car. So for me personally going to the destination known & loved is much more logical & promising than heading for the unknown.

Olga, the unknown has always appealed to my sense of adventure. 

[XMan]

Olga,  you are one frustrated mouse.  You have a dream.  Do your best to achieve it.

I wish you success in finding your dream, and I hope it is as perfect as you have envisioned it.

Trying to find a man from these countries to marry you and move you there is only one method.  There are other things you could do, and NOT on that list is hanging out in an English speaking forum predominated by Americans.

Do you like the men from these countries or just their country?  I enjoy America because we are so diverse that one can make if not find their ideal lifestyle here (climate, culture, fashion, education, entertainment, hobbies, interests, etc.).  If Joe Six Pack bothers you, ignore him and socialize with friends of your ilk. 

And if it is indeed the man, what is it exactly about the man that you like?  There are plenty of Hispanic men in America, although most are shorter than Spaniards.  For sure we have many Italians.  French are few here due to a secret government program that evicted most of them. 

Olga, the unknown has always appealed to my sense of adventure. 

Gator, you are one sharp as well as funny hombre. 

Olga_Mouse, no offense intended at all.  But this does seem an odd place for you to hang out.  You seemingly don't like the USA or the AM's very much, you seemingly have little if any interest in marriage, and you are also apparently quite independent and intelligent, so you could easily be spending your time searching for the right path to reach your dream(s).  Of course, this may be entertainment, and it certainly has value as far as that goes.

I do have one question, though of course you are not required to answer it. 

I am very curious as to the mouse in the photo, and how you chose your name.
 

[wicheese]

For what I know, the legal ways of obtaining Spanish residence are:
- Having a work contract during 3 years. These are issued to hotel room cleaners, restaurant waitresses, agricultural workers... For this type of jobs I'm too clever, I hope
- Purchasing a business in Spain, which employs a certain number of local citizens. But to make that business profitable one needs certain type of knowledge and experience... so for this option I'm not clever enough
- Marriage  

You can eat my cheese, but far better to listen to my advice, don't do it.  Once upon a time I was married to a nice Spanish girl, [edit, removed info not needed to share].  Funny thing is, once she tasted America where I met her at University, she had no desire to leave.  So with your mouse luck, your Spanish man will move you to America where he'll grow an American sized belly while complaining about your cooking...

[Boethius]

Olga_Mouse, no offense intended at all.  But this does seem an odd place for you to hang out.  You seemingly don't like the USA or the AM's very much, you seemingly have little if any interest in marriage, and you are also apparently quite independent and intelligent, so you could easily be spending your time searching for the right path to reach your dream(s).  Of course, this may be entertainment, and it certainly has value as far as that goes.

There are Spaniards who read this forum, and one appears in chat from time to time.

[Jazzyclassy]

   I enjoy America because we are so diverse that one can make if not find their ideal lifestyle here (climate, culture, fashion, education, entertainment, hobbies, interests, etc.). 
             

I think it is a curse hidding here as well,each and everyone in America is trying to be so much different from the other, that they tend to go over the board with this, it is already not cool to be normal in America you have to suit this diversity as how you said,to My Mind this is not freedom but slavery - a race and competition to be so much different and unique from the other people(normal people living normal life is already boring for some), to prove how great and so much better you are than others, how privileged you are to have this variety of life styles, which vanish the boarders of sensibility sometimes.And this particular life style such as "do what you want and how you want spit on the rules of the society" makes people degrade.For them life loses its true aim.
So it is true that America is not for everyone and thank God for that!
Though again there are so many people who want to try this diversity and are willing to do that no matter what,well good luck to all of them!

[Jazzyclassy]

Sorry I just wanted to comment on that particular quote, maybe it is off topic here, so just bear with me:)

[Jazzyclassy]

Gator, you are one sharp as well as funny hombre. 

Olga_Mouse, no offense intended at all.  But this does seem an odd place for you to hang out.  You seemingly don't like the USA or the AM's very much, you seemingly have little if any interest in marriage, and you are also apparently quite independent and intelligent, so you could easily be spending your time searching for the right path to reach your dream(s).  Of course, this may be entertainment, and it certainly has value as far as that goes.

I do have one question, though of course you are not required to answer it. 

I am very curious as to the mouse in the photo, and how you chose your name.
 

Once again forgive me for being so nasty, but sorry do you have to be married to American person or love America with all your heart  that it aches to be on this forum?People are sharing their opinion on international relations and that is why everybody's welcome here I think:)

[bobcat]

That was my original point Jazzy.

I see on these sites time and time again when American's ONLY speak about American sites, lifestyle, etc etc like it's the be all and end all. Now, just to be diplomatic a little, I do enjoy getting to America, do so 2-3 times a year for business (ahh, to clarify, Europe is my main stomping ground, I'm Australian), and do enjoy my time there, love the cities I visit and the people I know. However, Olga is on the money---you guys (Americans) do think in an insular way.

Wrong or right??


And to the guy I quoted, good to see you've changed your ways 

[Jazzyclassy]

I think it will be lovely to visit America, they got amazing nature there, beautiful places and so on, though it is rather expensive to fly there as well. So yeah I have nothing against  it, just there are other countries in the world to be admired for sure.

[veritas]

However, Olga is on the money---you guys (Americans) do think in an insular way.

I think someone's point about "geographic isolation" here was well-taken ...

Except for Canada and Mexico -- but they're not important ... 

Kevin