Scam - or NOT a Scam ?

[Jumper]

Eric and Ed,
Let's talk about ethics?
A women signs up  with one of these agencies legitimately seeking a husband ,
she isn't paid to chat or write. (others may be..)

You are both quite experienced, but have either of you read what she ACTUALLY
agrees to when being listed? Have you read the mans agreement om signing up as well?

one of the key things she accepts when  signing up,  
is the agencies strict policy on not giving direct contact information,except through the agency.
 So everyone standing on the soap box of ethics,
is expecting her to break this agreement  with the agency,
to go around them and give out her direct contact information ,
to prove she is sincere /legit?

While i understand this,and the scenario that creates it ,
 in light of an ethics conversation , it is funny??

you both know if me ,or jooky,  or whomever outlined communication day by day ,you'd both think it was a positive when *she* gave her direct contact info openly ,
instead of stating we  should buy it from the agency as both members agreed when signing up?

nailing jello to the wall..

[veritas]

OK, I'm up to page 6 (of 7) now, and it's clear that some of y'all think that these 18-to-25-year-old SmokinHotKova's
may actually be writing their own letters -- i.e., the actual GIRL IN THE PHOTOS is doing the writing -- even though
she might be PAID for doing that and/or might be totally INSINCERE in doing that ... As you know by now, MY take
is that it's NOT the girls in the photos doing the writing, but is instead some (other?) PAID writer crankin' 'em out ...

First, does it matter which is the case in order for it to be considered a scam?

Second, how many of y'all have an opinion -- one way or the other -- on this?

I'm serious here ... Do y'all think the "pictured girls" are doing their own writing, and do y'all really think it matters?

(Please don't try to tell me that even ONE of these "instant love/lust/sex" letters is actually SINCERE -- paid or not) ...

Kevin

P.S.  And for THAT matter, I don't even believe that an "innocuous" letter from an 18-25 girl to a 46 guy is sincere ...

[Jumper]

BTW, the REST of that money -- including the extra $10/month to send 10 "free introductory letters" (somewhat
of a misnomer, because I used them all to RESPOND to letters "written" to me ... I never did write anyone FIRST) ...

Anyway, the REST of that money was used to have some "fun" with the multiple "sex-fantasy" letters I received ...
I devised my own PG-13 "sex-fantasy form letter", which I used to respond to those letters and SEE the reaction ...

Kevin

P.S.  Case in point: One girl wrote back "WOW, WOW, WOW ... I read your letter THREE times" -- and much more ...

and kevin,

many men  KNOW this,,and write for fun and games
(just like you just did,and the women know this quite well )
This likely represents  the majority of male members.
also remember  the site is international..  there are a lot of computers in other parts of the world too ,and men all around the globe who enjoy such interaction.. at a rate that to them is reasonable entertainment.

As far as the paranoia of women being the women writing you,*
I would say there the  percentage is high that she is the woman in the photograph.
on that d-m site you can easily verify by video, and/or by buying her direct contact info.
This doesn't mean sincerety , one way or the other,
but if you think that beautiful 19yo or 22yo doesn't exist , or isn't writing the messages or wanting you to chat, you'd be mistaken in most cases.
she is real, "why" she wants to talk,or even date  you,,is the unknown  

[Jumper]

Kevin,
i've been in Nikolaev, many of the  girls are real..
as said it snot hard to verify through chat.
you need to walk around downtown, go into  a few markets/shops there ..
 you'll likely recognize a few faces

Many would meet you..
ultimately it makes no difference?

[veritas]

and kevin,

many men  KNOW this,,and write for fun and games
(just like you just did,and the women know this quite well )
This likely represents  the majority of male members.
also remember  the site is international..  there are a lot of computers in other parts of the world too ,and men all around the globe who enjoy such interaction.. at a rate that to them is reasonable entertainment.

As far as the paranoia of women being the women writing you,*
I would say there the  percentage is high that she is the woman in the photograph.
on that d-m site you can easily verify by video, and/or by buying her direct contact info.
This doesn't mean sincerety , one way or the other,
but if you think that beautiful 19yo or 22yo doesn't exist , or isn't writing the messages or wanting you to chat, you'd be mistaken in most cases.
she is real, "why" she wants to talk,or even date  you,,is the unknown  

Just to be clear, AJ, I didn't write anyone for "fun and games" unless it was obvious that I was BEING "gamed" --
as with these "sex-fantasy" letters that I've gotten ... My other letters were quite sincere, few though they were,
and always in response to an unsolicited letter ...

Thanks for your observation on "the girls in the photos" and whether it even MATTERS ... Obviously, I didn't believe
that those beautiful girls didn't even EXIST -- I'm not THAT convinced of the power of computer image creation! --
but "why" they'd want to "talk, or even date" me goes beyond the mere "unknown" and into the realm of MYSTERY ...

Kevin

[Sculpto]

AJ..

excellent point and I am glad you brought it up.

It represents a difficult situation because the 10 commandments say get her away from the agency asap yet the agency is telling the girl that is dangerous.

Additionally, the girl did sign an agreement.

I have been trying to get my hands on a copy of the contracts girls sign when they join agencies for a long time.  One of the things that convinced me of the scam was the fact that I have been unable to get a copy of that document.  The generic excuse.. "Its written in Russian you won't understand it" and the fact that I can pay to have it translated is never relevant.  

During my tenure at HRB I never asked a lady to break the rules and to provide me with contact info outside the process established by that site.  Nevertheless some ladies did it on their own.  However.. there were more than a few who refused direct contact even within the rules of the site on the grounds that it was against their agency policy.  These are the ones that I believe are scammers.  And, in each of those situations it went back to the Orchid Agency of Odessa or their branches in Nikolaev and Kherson.  Every single time.

So, if this effort was really to be useful, my thinking states that we should be targeting some girls from that agency.  They are a feeder for all the big sites so the information isn't only about Aweb but all the others as well.  BTW.. This Orchid agency has a lot of branches and they go by different names.  But.. give me 1000 profiles from Odessa and Nikolaev and I will bet anyone here that I can identify 90% of the girls who are Orchid members by the style of the photography as well as the content of the profile.  

[veritas]

These are the ones that I believe are scammers.  And, in each of those situations it went back to the Orchid Agency of Odessa or their branches in Nikolaev and Kherson.  Every single time.

So, if this effort was really to be useful, my thinking states that we should be targeting some girls from that agency.  They are a feeder for all the big sites so the information isn't only about Aweb but all the others as well.  BTW.. This Orchid agency has a lot of branches and they go by different names.  But.. give me 1000 profiles from Odessa and Nikolaev and I will bet anyone here that I can identify 90% of the girls who are Orchid members by the style of the photography as well as the content of the profile.  

My D-M experience was that an UNCOMMON number of those hotties' profiles were "from" Odessa, Nikolaev, or Kherson ...

Kevin

[veritas]

Sculpto --

This is only one profile -- not 1000 -- but how about THIS chick?  Recognize anything about HER profile?

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Hot-Ukrainian-Girl-Daria-40704.html

Kevin

P.S.  If you're able to see them -- don'tcha just LOVE the (relatively new) "Member Comments" under the photos?  

P.P.S.  HA!!   I just noticed -- for the FIRST time -- that THIS Smokin'estHotKova's stated "age group" is 18-70!!

[Sculpto]

Kevin,
I actually don't see anything wrong with her profile.  Such a girl is a gold digger but that doesn't make her a scammer.  There are a lot of girls like her and any average guy with any sense will simply avoid them.

Additionally, I can not see her other photos or comments because I am not a member of that site and I have no intentions of joining.

You really should stop looking at that site Kevin. 

[veritas]

Kevin,
I actually don't see anything wrong with her profile.  Such a girl is a gold digger but that doesn't make her a scammer.  There are a lot of girls like her and any average guy with any sense will simply avoid them.

Additionally, I can not see her other photos or comments because I am not a member of that site and I have no intentions of joining.

You really should stop looking at that site Kevin. 

OK, so then you think that a girl who looks like THAT is actually writing 70-year-olds?  For ANY reason?

I know you can't see her other photos, but not the "Member Comments" below, either?

It's just cheap entertainment, Sculpto -- "soft porn and titillation" ...

Kevin

P.S.  But you're right, anyway -- I really SHOULD stop looking at that site, as you well know ...

[Daveman]

Well I prowled just a tad it seems, at least at first glance, that the user comments involve meetings or plans to meet in the near future rather than marriages. Perhaps the site moniker is not a misnomer.

[veritas]

I actually don't see anything wrong with her profile.  Such a girl is a gold digger but that doesn't make her a scammer. 

BTW, I wasn't suggesting that SHE was the scammer ... I don't necessarily believe that SHE knows anything ABOUT it ...

Well I prowled just a tad it seems, at least at first glance, that the user comments involve meetings or plans to meet in the near future rather than marriages. Perhaps the site moniker is not a misnomer.

Yep, that would explain it, all right ...

Kevin

[Jumper]

Kevin,
normal enough profile.. and normal enough photo shoot.
bikini shots are the norm ,, and FSU's more open to that.
 no 24 yo there is going to find anything odd with those photos ,
in fact they would find them cool and would like a photo shoot like that themselves!!!

if its free for signing up at this agency ,that would be incentive enough to do so.
get it?

and she's a translator.
likely works for one of many agencies in Nikolaev.

I am certai nshe is real, and that she knows about her profile ,
and about all the ins and outs of marriage agencies in the FSU
likely does not write 70's olds,,  but might..

no doubt in my mind  a man that was positioned  in life , was charming, and witty,
could catch her attention and she would meet them ,and consider them seriously as a possibilty in marriage.

in the meantime she may, or may not,  get paid to chat with the thousands of men that are not serious anyway ,or a few who are.. or send out some letters.. who knows?
(and the reason for the thread)

but she will marry someone kevin!
if you had all your ducks in  a row , and caught her fancy , it might be you.
that's the fantasy sold ,and the reason its so grey area?
because it can be the reality.
one man might write  her ,and find insincere ,
 others woulds find her genuine,amd even meet her.. maybe start a relationship..
and get married.
in any case- odds are  she is single and available to a man that interested HER.
just like any local florida girl of 24.  

It's why this *experiment* in my opinion is flawed.
why?
the business model is well known..
The agency being distanced from affiliates negates any proofs.

and each mans experience will vary greatly depending on his own ability to sort through the "noise"
 or by mere luck.

[veritas]

Very interesting, AJ, very interesting ...

Actually, she must be one of the FEW "smokin' hotties" on D-M who has NOT "written" me ...
(She was at the top of the screen, "LIVE!", or something like that ... No contact with her) ...

Here's another, quite different profile ... This is one of the "friendly faces" on D-M who's "written" me umpteen times:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Lovely-Ukrainian-Woman-Tatiana-802073.html

I responded ONCE, I believe, to ask her "The Question" about paid writers, models, and scams ... (She denied it all) ...

She says she has a son, and she's sent me pix of the two of them ... ("Do you think we are BOTH models?" ))))))

She just now wrote me again, sending a "vacation pic", in which she looks very sweet, but a bit, uh, DUMPY ...

Here's what she wrote -- and remember, I only replied ONCE, as I recall, and that was about my SKEPTICISM:
____________________________

hello hello my dear  Kevin

can you believe me how i miss you???)

of course you will tell me you know i am making this out:))) i know you thought that i forgot you already and of course you have a good rest from me and my letters:))))))

but i am back and missed you a  lot!!! travelings and vacation are good but home is better!!! home is the best and my home computer is the best one in the world:)))) lol only here i can write letters to you:)))))

my summer vacation is over ...i am in Sumy again and starting from Monday i am back on going to work:)))) and i don't want it terribly:)))) you feel the same when you come to work after holidays???

how you spend you last summer days??? have you got a tan?))))) at least a little???)))

i have a small surprise for you:))) i guess you have seen it before you read the letter:)))

yeah:))) i ma talking about the pic:))))) my summer vacation pic:)))))

how do i look in white?)))))
 
how is your family?? what's new?? i missed hearing from you and i hope you have not forgot me ... cute blonde from Sumy:))))) lol

when are you going to come to Sumy finally???)

wait for your answers dear:))) you have 15 minutes to write me an answer....so:))) hurry up:))))))

i ma waiting!!!

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Tanusha
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So -- scam or not?

Kevin

[veritas]

BTW, here was my (mostly) "stock" question to her about D-M ... I kept it in a file called "The Question":
_____________________________

Hi Tatiana!!

Yes, of COURSE I remember you!!  You're one of my
most faithful correspondents!!    And gosh, I certainly
would never try to get rid of YOU!!    Maybe you CAN
convince me that I need you in my life ...    And what
exactly is this "something special" that you have for me --
this "special time" of which you write??  Sounds exciting!! 

And having said all THAT, now *I* have a good question for YOU:

What is such a beautiful, sexy, hot young lady doing writing ME?

Why on earth would you be interested in ME?  I mean, I'm just
average-looking, and yet HUNDREDS of beautiful women -- altho
not nearly as beautiful as YOU -- write me here, and I don't know
WHY!  It really makes me doubt the validity of this site, when so
many gorgeous women write me -- what do *I* have to offer?

What is it about MY profile that draws messages from so many
stunning young ladies -- including yourself -- when I'm 46 years
old and nowhere NEAR as attractive as you?  I would really like to
know this -- can you tell me?  A lot of these ladies profess love
or extreme sexual desire for me in their very first letters to me!
Can you explain how this can possibly BE?

A friend told me I should Google "dream-marriage" and "scam"
to see whether this site and the women on it are legitimate ...
So I did, and there seems to be a lot of evidence out there
that girls are being PAID to write letters, and that they're NOT
the same girls that are pictured here, who are probably models ...
Do you know anything about this?

Love,
Kevin
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As for the "Love" sign-off?  Well, I write that way to EVERYONE I know -- I just think we could all use more of it ...

Kevin

[Gator]

The letter Tatiana sounds sincere.  I have received such letters from many RW with whom I was corresponding directly (no pay-by-letter, no filtering through an agency).  She even invites you to visit her (scams avoid meetings to keep the letter writing going).  So why would you think it a scam?

A few problems, however. 

She mentions nothing that would be unique for you.  She asks "how is your family?" when we know you probably did not talk about your family with her based on your situation.  Thus, the letter could have been sent to anyone (and probably was sent to several).   

Also, the letter is well written.  However, her profile says her English proficiency is "basic".  "Basic" means she can barely say "hello."  If indeed writing from home as she claims, she wrote it in Russian and forwarded it to the agency for translation.  Or her assigned ghost writer took care of everything. 

[veritas]

She mentions nothing that would be unique for you.  She asks "how is your family?" when we know you probably did not talk about your family with her based on your situation.  Thus, the letter could have been sent to anyone (and probably was sent to several).   

Well, THAT'S (one of the reasons) why I'd think this was a SCAM!!

This was no "first time" form letter -- she's written me 20-30 times before -- so WHY would she write one NOW??

What's all this stuff about "missing me" and "visiting Sumy" when we barely have any correspondence at ALL??
I haven't responded to her in over two MONTHS, and when I did, I was extremely skeptical (see my last post) ...

Sure, you said you've received such letters from many RW with whom you were corresponding directly, BUT:
(a) we were NOT corresponding directly (was pay-by-letter), and (b) we were hardly "corresponding" at ALL!!

So, what's "real" about this letter -- or her 20-30 OTHER ones??

Kevin

[Steamer]

So -- scam or not?

You'll have to communicate with her to find out. The trick is to keep your emotions under control. Don't let yourself fall in love with every nice photo and letter.

When I went over to Moscow the first time a friend gave me some priceless advise: Don't go over thinking that you are going to meet your future wife because that is just TOO much pressure on yourself. You'll get nervous and start to freak yourself out and it will show in your speech and actions and it will turn into a disaster. The proper attitude is: you're going on a fun vacation to an exotic place you've never been to before and when you get there you'll have a date. Now your mind will be in the right place.

The same goes for internet communication. If you fall in love too fast you're going to put a lot of emotional pressure on yourself and it will show. You have to communicate to sort these gals out. The good ones are there but they're hidden amongst the scammers and gold diggers. It's your job to find them.

[veritas]

You'll have to communicate with her to find out. The trick is to keep your emotions under control. Don't let yourself fall in love with every nice photo and letter.

When I went over to Moscow the first time a friend gave me some priceless advise: Don't go over thinking that you are going to meet your future wife because that is just TOO much pressure on yourself. You'll get nervous and start to freak yourself out and it will show in your speech and actions and it will turn into a disaster. The proper attitude is: you're going on a fun vacation to an exotic place you've never been to before and when you get there you'll have a date. Now your mind will be in the right place.

The same goes for internet communication. If you fall in love too fast you're going to put a lot of emotional pressure on yourself and it will show. You have to communicate to sort these gals out. The good ones are there but they're hidden amongst the scammers and gold diggers. It's your job to find them.

Thanks, Steamer, but most folks on here know by now that I'm no longer even IN this "game" at ALL, because
I have NO BUSINESS trying to find either a RW or an AW at this time ... But "GQBlues" said I should still put in
my "2 Kopeks' worth" over here, anyway ...

BTW, this was Tatiana's response to "The Question" -- which was MY extremely skeptical response to HER:
________________________

hello hello Kevin

hi hi lapochka)))) do you know anything in Russian?)) it is your first word you need to learn:) tell me if you don't find it into vocabulary and i will teach you:) hehe

I am starting this letter with apologies, because you had to wait for an answer… but I guess I am worth of waiting?
can you believe what happened to me????
i didn't crush my computer this time:))) but i spilled tea on it ) since that time it took me 2 days to dry and fix the key board, but fortunately i didn't have to buy me new one:))

You know I guess it is high time for me to tell you about myself. And I never thought it would be so hard:) No, do not think that I am that bad:) hehe I will try:) Maybe after reading this letter you would think of me like about strange lady because the letter is rather chaotic and simple… but I do want you to feel yourself free with me… Imagine we are sitting on the sofa and talking! ok?

My profile pretty much sums me up as a person and my values. I will not keep you long but to be honest I am looking for a husband to make me complete and someone I can devote my attention to and enjoy my life with. I am not interested in being added to a beautiful man's long list of correspondents, I believe I am worth more than that and I believe you are too. As far as my interest in you is concerned, if it was possible to convince you that I am the woman you have been looking for in one letter, it would make me very happy.

i don't know what other's ladies write you and why you seem to be very popular here..i heard many times about players on such site like this..from both sides...i am pretty long time in the search of my man and i have quitted several times and than smth brought me back...i decided to start from this year and if i will not make to find a man here in this year...than i will leave it forever. many men come here for fun only- to communicate with beautiful Russian ladies- it flatters them...but it is only game and for few like me who are serious here- it is painful...i am tired of games and want real, real man in my life- responsible and honest- who answer for his words and who is not afraid to act!!! maybe it is you?

what caught my attention on you?? first your sincere smile:))))

I feel that we could have something special and love each other if we tried. Otherwise, I would not even be writing you. :-)

can't wait to hear from you!!!

xxx
Tatiana

p.s. catch a pic of me and my son..you think we both are models?)) lol
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And notice that she mentions HER computer and HER keyboard, although her English is only "basic" ...

Kevin

P.S.  I guess it's more like 2 HUNDRED Kopeks by now, huh?

[Jumper]

Kevin -
a perfect example of what the thread is about.

hypothetically:
while she *may* be paid to write, (or letters she generates or required to generate)
 as a single mom ,approaching 30 ,of normal/average attractiveness ,she could certainly be interested in you? (yes her photos are photo shopped by the agency, so her real ones are normal and she SENT you those for a reason!! and jokingly asked for your impressions )  
You are decent looking guy,seem nice,intelligent, and a decent conversationalist , why WOULDN'T she be initially interested? and certainly interested to meet and possibly marry a foreign man.

plenty in her letter seems normal ,
but if you have 20 some letters i also suspect she's paid to write..
(and by the way gator, she wouldn't be sending it to the agency terps ,that is not how D M works,
she would be going to the local agency ,or  with her own  home computer she has software or translation software to use or provided)
odds are she isn't a vid chat girl.
Nothing in her letter or situation would make me think she wouldn't meet you and be seriously interested if you were to go there.
(if able to ,and had your ducks in a row)

so you have soft scam ,yet also have someone you could likely meet in person and develop a relationship.
(if she was a hot 19yo from odessa, i'd say  the meeting would end up being also scammish .
in this case that's also possible , but not likely off the little info provided.)

 It's why i told you in the other thread that me telling you that without doubt, some are real/sincere would do you more harm than good.

for the record .-
if you do think someone is possibly sincere ,no need to broach the scam subject early on ,(time always tells) and certainly no need to "wonder" why they are interested in you or mention the other correspondence you receive.
why?
1. they are well aware that plenty of women write you.
2. they are interested for whatever reason.. discussing such things is pointless in this context
3.you want to be  confident and deserving!!!  none of this shows any hint of that
4. absolutely nothing positve to be gained,,
if shes  a scam and not interested , ,she isnt going to tell you..
if she is sincere  she is either unaware ,and so just wouldnt kno wanything...
or is just working within the constraints of the system , and is nothing she is going to want to discuss.

If you come across  someone you wish to pursue to "see' if they are sincere or possibly  a good match remember that:
they expect you to be confident in yourself, that you are worthy of their interest.
they don't want a guy who worries about scam around every corner.
They want a guy that intends to travel to see them.
Insecurity will drive away any of the sincere women instantly,thus making it even more of a waste of time than in general.

[veritas]

Kevin -
a perfect example of what the thread is about.

Thanks, AJ ... Good to know I've done SOMETHING right here!

(if able to ,and had your ducks in a row)

That's twice now you've mentioned those "ducks in a row" here ... You know as well as I how "misaligned" mine are ...

for the record .-
if you do think someone is possibly sincere ,no need to broach the scam subject early on ,(time always tells) and certainly no need to "wonder" why they are interested in you or mention the other correspondence you receive.
why?
1. they are well aware that plenty of women write you.
2. they are interested for whatever reason.. discussing such things is pointless in this context
3.you want to be  confident and deserving!!!  none of this shows any hint of that
4. absolutely nothing positve to be gained,,
if shes  a scam and not interested , ,she isnt going to tell you..
if she is sincere  she is either unaware ,and so just wouldnt kno wanything...
or is just working within the constraints of the system , and is nothing she is going to want to discuss.

If I'd thought that ANY of them were actually sincere, I doubt that I would've ever even mentioned it ...
I was just REALLY CURIOUS about the kinds of "responses" and "excuses" that I'd get back from them --
and I actually DID get a few "good" ones ...

If you come across  someone you wish to pursue to "see' if they are sincere or possibly  a good match remember that:
they expect you to be confident in yourself, that you are worthy of their interest.
they don't want a guy who worries about scam around every corner.
They want a guy that intends to travel to see them.
Insecurity will drive away any of the sincere women instantly,thus making it even more of a waste of time than in general.

So true, AJ, so true ... And that's exactly why I'm no longer in this game -- RW or AW ...

Kevin

P.S.  BTW, amazingly, I actually DID drive away ONE "sincere" (??) YOUNG woman -- but not with insecurity ...
       THAT was done with an ill-advised (??) "sex-fantasy form letter" ... And what AMAZED me was that ANY
       of these "sincere" (??) women would actually PASS on the chance to further line their pockets -- or D-M's ..

[Steamer]

Thanks, Steamer, but most folks on here know by now that I'm no longer even IN this "game" at ALL, because
I have NO BUSINESS trying to find either a RW or an AW at this time ...

I don't know about that. You seem like a decent guy.

[veritas]

odds are she isn't a vid chat girl.

Oh, but she IS, man ... She invited me to "video chat" several times, all of which I ignored -- just like the REST of 'em ...

Kevin

[veritas]

BTW, I've been going through my latest D-M "letters" here ... What complete and utter TRIPE -- both "love" AND "sex" ...

Kevin

[veritas]

OMG, one of my 3 SmokinHotKova's -- from a D-M post of mine in ANOTHER thread -- allegedly "wrote" me, teddy and all:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Single-Ukrainian-Lady-Anastasia-948090.html

Hello Kevin

You seem to me very nice and strong-willed man. I would like to know more about you and with great pleasure I will tell you about my life and my personality. At least I hope that we will become friends. I hope that you are open and easy person ;-)) I want to dive in the whirlpool of love and affection with you, do you want to do the same?

I want to propose you my monologue and you will see my inner and world. Let’s talk about the beginning of people. Do you know the legend? I’ll tell it. Once roll creatures existed on the Earth, they had four hands, four legs and two faces. These unique creatures consisted from two lovely bodies and two hearts. Gods gave them all for ideal existence, but than creatures stopped to adore with Gods. Gods divided creatures on two halves and brought them all over the world. So people appeared and now they are looking for their own half. I hope to find my half. And you?
I think we have to try to communicate and may be you are my half.

Waiting for your answer,
Anastasia
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The "whirlpool of love and affection"??  From a smokin' hot 20-year-old in Kherson??  What TRIPE ...

Kevin

P.S.  I'll try to put a lid on my posting here -- for now, anyway ...

P.P.S.  HER PARTICULAR LOOKS are actually my "dream girl" sorta looks -- and 5' 10" to boot!    Hey, works for ME!