Why are y'all really looking for RW?

[Misha]

I don't disagree with this, but doesn't that bring us right back to the other old debate over 'the average guy' and once he removes his Russian Partner from her surroundings, she's likely to see the other options here and want to upgrade?  If a woman "settles" over there, it's unlikely she'll remain happy here.  I guess "love" plays a role of course, but even that goes back to a woman settling for a better situation or 'best available option' may not love her man because he's not really what she wanted in the fist place. 

If you have established a relationship and maintain that relationship, there is no reason for her to seek to trade up. Find a woman who understands that an Average Joe in the hand is worth two hot Joe's in the bush  :evil:

[ECOCKS]

Yes Dave, the thought of a blue-collar husband is anathema to many FSUW. Even if they're making six digits, have a summer cabin at the lake, a $25k runabout and a sedan to go with their pickup. They just cannot believe that anyone like that would be more financially secure than a loan officer at the bank or a lawyer.

Policemen (and women) making $65,000 a year legitimately? That's a hoot! A teacher who makes $45,000 for working 9 months and can teach summer school for another $4-6,000? Insane! Mechanics who work at the dealerships pulling in $60,000+? What a fantasy!

And then how can these be the only people who seem to get 6-8 weeks of vacation in our society? How screwed up America is, we should let Putin come show us how to ruin, er, run an economy!

[tim 360]

Interestingly, I wonder who they will settle for when the dream goes bust 

They get a slot as a "hostess" on the club scene and date Tiger or whoever.  Or they get realistic.

[OlgaH]

They just cannot believe that anyone like that would be more financially secure than a loan officer at the bank or a lawyer.

Regarding a lawyer... we just got some bad news that one lawyer we know has filed for bankruptcy and she is going to lose her house. Several other lawyers we know are also in not good financial situation.

[Jooky]

What *exactly* is a loser?

This.

[ECOCKS]

Regarding a lawyer... we just got a news that one lawyer we know has filed for bankruptcy and she also loses her house. Several other lawyers we know are also in not good financial situation.

Exactly my point. However they don't want to hear it.

[Jooky]

One day I was sitting in my favorite coffee house and the table close to me was occupied by 19-20 y.o. "hotties" who was enough loud that I became an unintentional witness of their conversation. They were talking about their lovers, how they juggled them, what presents and how much money they got from their "boy friends" and so on. 

That's not surprising. 19-20 year old hotties are going to have suitors anywhere, of course. The key is what you said:

Depends what hotties and choices you are talking about.

Here's an example from my experiences. Two summers ago I set up a weekend date with a 22 year old cutie in Tomsk to check out a small village festival.

She shows up for our 'date' with another dude. Then she calls another guy who picks us all up to drive us to the village so we wouldn't have to take a bus. The next day we're on a bike ride and she phones yet another dude to pick us up when she got tired of riding.

I felt like I was on an episode of Elimidate.

What what? What about the lack of choices I was talking about?

Well, you should have seen these dudes. The first guy looked like Shrek. The second dude was sporting a beer belly a mullet and sporty wife beater t-shirt. Straight out of Reno Nevada. Both of these guys were in their 30s. Dude number three was older than me, and married.

Seeing my competition only made me think, damn, I'm 17 years older than this girl, but I'm a great find. In the US I'd have to borrow some moves from GQ to get a girl like this. These other guys wouldn't stand a chance. In Russia they were contenders.

[OlgaH]

She shows up for our 'date' with another dude. Then she calls another guy who picks us all up to drive us to the village so we wouldn't have to take a bus. The next day we're on a bike ride and she phones yet another dude to pick us up when she got tired of riding.

Well, you should have seen these dudes. The first guy looked like Shrek. The second dude was sporting a beer belly a mullet and sporty wife beater t-shirt. Straight out of Reno Nevada. Both of these guys were in their 30s. Dude number three was older than me, and married.

A girl makes her own choice for what ever reason she has and she will be in the circle of such dudes as she chooses by her own parameters. To each his own. While one girl refuses to go with a "beer belly" the other girl will "sleep" with a "beer belly" for a "l'oreal lipstick".

In Russia they were contenders.

No, they are not, as a saying goes: every Ivashka has his own Mashka, or every Mashka has her own Ivashka  

[Eduard]

Jooky, I know exactly what you are talking about and agree with you a 100%. The way an average single man in his late 30s or early 40s is treated by women in the USA and Canada really takes tall on his self esteem and self confidence. When in Russia, Russian women usually can't believe that a guy like that hasn't been snatched up and married to an AW/CW. I attribute this difference in attitudes to supply and demand. In Russia/Ukraine there is definitely a demand for a decent, marriage minded, single man who doesn't abuse substances. In the US and Canada such demand is much lower which is conducive to women to become very picky and "playing the field" until late thirties when their biological clock starts calling... But even at 38 and 50lbs overweight they consider themselves a catch and are looking for a tall, dark and handsome AND rich man, AND their age parameters are 35 to 40!   
So, FSU here we come!

[OlgaH]

In Russia/Ukraine there is definitely a demand for a decent, marriage minded, single man who doesn't abuse substances.

Eduard, while you are talking about men abusing alcohol I think we also should not forget about women who also abuse alcohol, and it is not a rare picture to see the young women sitting in a company "beer bellies" and drinking not less amount of beer. Health department already has raised an alarm regarding women alcoholism in Russia, especially beer alcoholism among young population. The school "last bell" has informal name "Day of drunken puking white bows".

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And who knows, maybe they also have their profiles on the dating agencies' website  

[veritas]

Yeah, right...

And wtf is your active profile doing on Elena's models updated with pictures? And it says "My ideal relationship is one of love, respect, mutual support, fidelity, loyalty, honesty, kindness, compassion, communication, and physical/emotional intimacy"?

Can't help but play a little "keyboard Romeo" game, aren't we? My precious?  

My, my, I step away from the board for a few hours, and look who's back in foaming-at-the-mouth attack mode!  

So very nice to see you again, pitbull ... Perhaps you should know that my EM Gold membership just expired?
And that my profile hasn't been "updated" with anything since our last go-round in my intro thread?  And that
I neither read nor write messages on EM?  And that I neither send nor receive EOI's on EM?  And that I neither
initiate nor respond to any activity on EM, and that I haven't done so in weeks?

So yes, it's EXACTLY as I said -- "I'm not looking for RW (or AW)", and I haven't been since our last go-round ...

Now that THAT'S cleared up, would you like me to wipe the froth from your jaws by hiding my profile again?  
 
Kevin

 

[JohnDearGreen]

Ah, GQ, I wish health care was free ... I'm (long-term) unemployed, and I pay $750+/month for individual coverage ...
Kevin

NewKT:
Don't overlook government IT jobs.  You won't find them in the normal places like monster.com.   I've been in IT for over 30 years and laid-off/fired 6 times.  I worked on a contract at an Air Force base for a while.

[GQBlues]

Well, you should have seen these dudes. The first guy looked like Shrek. The second dude was sporting a beer belly a mullet and sporty wife beater t-shirt. Straight out of Reno Nevada. Both of these guys were in their 30s. Dude number three was older than me, and married.

Dunno Jooky...the first thing that came to mind is...

A Kali boy like you, with so much going for you..I hope you're not telling me this is the type of gals you're filling your social calendar with in Russia these days....tell me it ain't so, man! That's some serious white trash traction she's building up for herself there, dude! Even if you close a deal on this one, will it really ever be worth it?

:::However, I'm not surprised Eduard's in the background yelling Attaboy hip, hip Julius!. His clients sure have much to look forward to, eh?::::: 

[veritas]

NewKT:
Don't overlook government IT jobs.  You won't find them in the normal places like monster.com.   I've been in IT for over 30 years and laid-off/fired 6 times.  I worked on a contract at an Air Force base for a while.

Thanks, JDG ... I appreciate the info, AND the reminder to GQBlues that health care sure AIN'T free -- yet ...

Kevin

[veritas]

wtf? Seriously?

Yep, seriously ...

Damn dude, you really need to get out more.

Try telling that to pitbull -- AFTER you muzzle her ...

Kevin

[Jooky]

Even if you close a deal on this one, will it really ever be worth it?

Hey, why not?! Forget 'culture shock'. She'd feel right at home at the Carson City Super Walmart!

Really, she was pretty hot, but her chances with me ended the moment she appeared with Shrek by her side. So, no deals with her. Plenty of other choices.

However, I enjoyed the weekend checking out some real villages and she did turn out to be an interesting connection. Her younger sister spent the summer on the East Coast. She came out to visit me in SF, friend in tow ... and the friend was simply awesome. So, it's all part of a good adventure.

[veritas]

Kevin if you have no plans on going to the FSU you should really either get rid of your EM profile like you said you were going to do, or put in your profile you  have no intention of traveling in the forseeable future. Or get away from the keyboard and go get a passport and make some plans. Dont jerk these women around. There are enough keyboard romeos in the world. Be a man, be honest.

Well, as you can see from what I wrote earlier, facetrock, it makes not one whit of difference whether
I hide my EM profile (again) or not, since I'm in no way active on the site, nor have I been for weeks now ...
But if it makes you -- and that ravenous pitbull -- happy, I'll hide it (again) anyway ... Are we all happy now?  

Kevin

P.S.  I think of myself as a "person" -- not a "man" -- but I was always "honest", was never a "keyboard romeo",
       and the only "woman" that I've been "jerking around" is that ferocious "pitbull" ... And I know "she" loves it!  

P.P.S.  And BTW, pitbull, thanks again for that "Newhart" clip -- 'twas so very thoughtful of you, in retrospect ...
          (Never did get to hear it, though) ...

[khelkhov]

In the US and Canada such demand is much lower which is conducive to women to become very picky and "playing the field" until late thirties when their biological clock starts calling... But even at 38 and 50lbs overweight they consider themselves a catch and are looking for a tall, dark and handsome AND rich man, AND their age parameters are 35 to 40!

When I was in my early 20's, I already got hit by few AW in their late 30's to early 40's.  Man, It was so weird to see some older women wanting to date me...  It took me a while to figure out that I was dealing with those desperate old whores whose bodies are screamin' for babies.  In their own world, they were thinking that they were so hot and sexy lady and deserve they date young handsome men like myself so they can feel so young and attractive!  Oh jeez, NO thanks!  I am not interested in being a "boy toy"!!!    

[Boethius]

Seeing my competition only made me think, damn, I'm 17 years older than this girl, but I'm a great find. In the US I'd have to borrow some moves from GQ to get a girl like this. These other guys wouldn't stand a chance. In Russia they were contenders.

You are mistaken in assuming women look for the same things in men that men look for in women.  Olga made the same point, but in a gentler manner.

In the US and Canada such demand is much lower which is conducive to women to become very picky and "playing the field" until late thirties when their biological clock starts calling... But even at 38 and 50lbs overweight they consider themselves a catch and are looking for a tall, dark and handsome AND rich man, AND their age parameters are 35 to 40!   So, FSU here we come!

It's a nice fantasy to sell, which has little to do with reality.  

Most Canadian women that I know are married before their late thirties.  Most WW have their first child before age 35.   Women over 35 are realistic enough to know that men over 35 have baggage too.  From my observation, there are very few tall, dark, handsome and rich single men over 35.

When I was in my early 20's, I already got hit by few AW in their late 30's to early 40's.  Man, It was so weird to see some older women wanting to date me...  It took me a while to figure out that I was dealing with those desperate old whores whose bodies are screamin' for babies.  In their own world, they were thinking that they were so hot and sexy lady and deserve they date young handsome men like myself so they can feel so young and attractive!  Oh jeez, NO thanks!  I am not interested in being a "boy toy"!!!  

Poor naive child.  They were interested in your staying power, not in marriage or children.

[khelkhov]

Poor naive child.  They were interested in your staying power, not in marriage or children.

Yes, I was naive back in that time.  I had no idea about women in general.  I actually wasn't looking for marriage at all.  I was just a young guy getting some experiences in the real world.  I have gotten smarter over time of seeing more crazy women out there... 

[Jooky]

You are mistaken in assuming women look for the same things in men that men look for in women.

Enlighten me. I'm wrong in assuming that women care about a man's age, physical appearance, hygiene, personality and style?

[OlgaH]

Enlighten me. I'm wrong in assuming that women care about a man's age, physical appearance, hygiene, personality and style?

Some women do and some women don't. Some women will go with any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least. There is different kind of women in Russia as elsewhere 

[Jooky]

Some women do and some women don't. Some women will go with any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least

Of course. You can find anything anywhere, but we're talking in generalizations here.

Even so, you'll have a really hard time finding a California girl who'll go for 'any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least'. In Russia, maybe not so hard.

[Boethius]

Enlighten me. I'm wrong in assuming that women care about a man's age, physical appearance, hygiene, personality and style?

Again, Olga is correct.

If all women cared about a man's age, you wouldn't have had a date with the 22 year old hottie.

Some women care about physical appearance, some don't.  Some are more interested in personality, some in intellect, some in physiques.  But you are wrong in assuming that women are largely interested in the physical.  It is less important to the majority of women than it is to men.

[Jooky]

If all women cared about a man's age, you wouldn't have had a date with the 22 year old hottie

But you are wrong in assuming that women are largely interested in the physical.  It is less important to the majority of women than it is to men.

I've stated the same before (and women here told me I was wrong  ). This doesn't go against anything I posted here.

My assumption is that women, even more so than men, are attracted to and interested in many qualities, including age, physical appearance, hygiene, personality and style, and appearances do rank high on most young women's lists in the US.

If you think you can have it all, that's what you go for. If your choices appear more limited you go for the qualities that you can get. That's the dynamic I've observed and am illustrating here.