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Offline Jooky

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« on: January 23, 2006, 11:23:47 AM »
Why do men seek Russian women? When asked this question we hear many things: They are beautiful and feminine. They dress and act like women. They are traditional. They cook, clean, and prefer caring for a family and home over a career. They are family oriented, they come from close families and desire children. They are bright and educated.

This all sounds great to me! Sign me up!

Reality is often different.

Over the past five years there are nine Russian women who I first met online and later in person. I met these women through match.com, kiss.com, bride.ru, and freepersonals.ru. Before meeting them they all seemed to match this list of qualities quite well. Reality of course is something else.

In the end, let's see how these women stack up in relation to seven qualities we often seek: beautiful, feminine, good cook, tidy housewife, good family, desire for children, and educated.

Devushka #1: 26 years old. Single mother.

Goal: To find a man who will care for her and her child and make her happy.

[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Yes! [/*]
  • Feminine: Very. Spends too much time in the mirror. [/*]
  • Good cook: Decent cook, by necessity. Doesn't particularly enjoy cooking. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Takes good care of the home but wants both a family and career. Very active. Does not enjoy housework. [/*]
  • Good family: Single daughter of a single mother. Raised by grand parents. Poor relation to mother. No relation to father. Raising son on her own. [/*]
  • Desires children: Has one child and desires more. [/*]
  • Educated: Very bright and self educated.
Devushka #2: 29 years old. Single.

Goal: Lonely and looking for friends.
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Very cute. [/*]
  • Feminine: Not strikingly. [/*]
  • Good cook: Hates cooking. Never cooks. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Never. Hates housework. Focused on career. [/*]
  • Good family: Single child. Unhappy relationship with parents. [/*]
  • Desires children: Not in the near future. [/*]
  • Educated: College educated. Very intelligent. Admittedly thinks too much.
Devushka #3: 25 years old. Single.

Goal: To find a husband to take her to a land of greater opportunities. (Mission accomplished)
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Very cute. [/*]
  • Feminine: Follows fashion, but not particularly feminine. [/*]
  • Good cook: No. Can cook a bit, but does not enjoy it. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Meticulously organized but definite focused on career. [/*]
  • Good family: Divorced and remarried parents. Poor relationship with brothers and parents. [/*]
  • Desires children: Never. [/*]
  • Educated: Normal college education.
Devushka #4: 24 years old. Single.

Goal: Desires independence, own home, good career, higher education and maybe later a man and a family. Not very active in her search.
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Amazing. [/*]
  • Feminine: Very. [/*]
  • Good cook: Decent cook. Nothing against cooking. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Could be in the future, but currently hopes for career. [/*]
  • Good family: Broken home. Never met Papa. Hates step dad. Very unhappy at home. [/*]
  • Desires children: Maybe in the future. Not thinking about it right now. [/*]
  • Educated: Unfinished college. Hopes for more education but not very motivated.
Devushka #5: 25 years old. Single.

Goal: Looking for friends. Now thinking of settling down.
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Very cute. [/*]
  • Feminine: Somewhat of a tomboy. [/*]
  • Good cook: Never cooks. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Very much a career woman but could trade it all in to stay at home, though she has no idea about raising children or taking care of a home. [/*]
  • Good family: Single child. Very close to parents who are very busy and highly educated, just like her. [/*]
  • Desires children: Yes. [/*]
  • Educated: Extremely educated.
Devushka #6: 34 years old. Divorced.

Goal: Looking for a wealthy husband to spoil her and father her children. Now!
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Stunning. [/*]
  • Feminine: Extremely. [/*]
  • Good cook: Excellent cook and enjoy it. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Yes, enjoys caring for home but also wants a career. [/*]
  • Good family: Strange family, but she is very close to and has much love and respect for them. [/*]
  • Desires children. Yes, very much so. [/*]
  • Educated: Yes, Masters degree level.
Devushka #7: 26 years old. Single.

Goal: Thinks Russian men are beneath her. No time for real dating. Not very active in her search.
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Very cute. [/*]
  • Feminine: Somewhat. [/*]
  • Good cook: Knows the basic. Not a fan of cooking. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Definitely a career first woman, but very organized at home. [/*]
  • Good family: Single child. Good relation with mother, bad with father. [/*]
  • Desires children: Maybe. [/*]
  • Educated: Normal college but very smart and motivated.
Devushka #8: 29 years old. Single.

Goal: Looking for friends.
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Cute. [/*]
  • Feminine: Somewhat. [/*]
  • Good cook: Not a cook at all. [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Would like to sit at home reading books while the maid cleans house. [/*]
  • Good family: No. Depressing family situation. [/*]
  • Desires children: No. [/*]
  • Educated: College educated. Follows many intellectual pursuits.
Devushka #9: 22 years old. Single.

Goal: On the net by complete whim. Not looking for anything!
[/*]
[list=1]
  • Beautiful: Knocks my socks off. [/*]
  • Feminine: Very [/*]
  • Good cook: The best. That's her trade! [/*]
  • Tidy housewife: Not very tidy. Young and undecided about the future. [/*]
  • Good family: Sad family situation. Very close to mother. [/*]
  • Desires children: In time, yes. [/*]
  • Educated: Trade school education.
[/*]
Of course I have also met many Russians without the aid of the internet.

Many of the women I've met over the net shared one common quality: they were looking overseas not to find a man who would take care of them, but because of the opportunites that would be open to them in another land. Of course, they were all genuine and hoped to meet a prince they would fall in love with, but they were also hoping to turn away not from the men back home, but from their situation: a situation with little hope for the future, little hope for a promising career.

So while the women I have met were beautiful and educated I have found that often the women we meet online are self reliant, independent, career driven women - the very women many of us are trying to avoid!

Many men come here chastising American women. These girls want to be American women!

That's my war story. I hope someone finds some benefit from my experience.

 

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 12:29:05 PM »
I have had first dates with over 155 FSU women.  And I would agree with your postings about the 9 women.  FSU women are like women the world over.  They come in all different forms and formulations.   In my experience, there are only two differences between women in FSU and here in USA.

First, they are more slender (on average) than USA women.
Second, you can trade up a few notches when you date FSU women compared to USA women.

The main reason that men can trade up with FSU women is due to economics.  When the economic reason disappears, the trading up will come to a halt.

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 12:43:11 PM »
Quote from: Jooky
These girls want to be American women!


I agree..I  want to be an AW in that sense :D

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 12:55:34 PM »
Jooky, could you give us some particulars on yourself?  Did you meet all of the 9 women on WOVO trips or were some met on the same trip?  Did you meet any of the nine on subsequent trips?  How fast until you knew they were not right for you?  Did you make the decision or did they?  Were all your trips to Russia?  If so, what part?  Any trips to Ukraine?  I am not interested in trip reports, just the abreviated version (I have heard that you wrote "great" trip reports but have never read one).  Did you ever find the right girl and are you married today to a FSU woman?    


"In the end, let's see how these women stack up in relation to seven qualities we often seek: beautiful, feminine, good cook, tidy housewife, good family, desire for children, and educated."

I zero in to the "good family" on your seven qualities you seek.  How can you expect none (perhaps the one with the hard working family is "good") of the nine to come from a "good family" and be able to make a "good family" with you?

"Educated" for any American / European seeking I see as a very realistic possibility.

"Desire for children" I see as very realistic for Western men providing the woman has none of her own already and is not too old.  

"Tidy housewife" you will find in many FSU women, especially before guests arrive!

"Good cook" I see as realistic with most FSU women provided they like to cook and are willing to practice here in the USA or WE. 

"Beautiful" - should be easy for a Westerner to find a girl from the FSU who is beautiful in his eyes, definitely more beautiful than the woman the guy could attract back home.

"Feminine" is a slam dunk.  Any Westerner should have no problem finding a more feminine woman than those back home - but take heed that the FSU woman femininity carries a back-bone with it. 

Jooky - I strongly believe you should focus on character traits.  Start with honesty.  That is my single most important trait and move on from there. 

« Last Edit: January 23, 2006, 01:02:00 PM by Bruce »
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 03:40:30 PM »
Hi Albert....

Your comment is true but not just from a direct standpoint but also indirect...:

The main reason that men can trade up with FSU women is due to economics.  When the economic reason disappears, the trading up will come to a halt.

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The economics are forcing "good, well educated" men to look for opportunities overseas.  In Belarus, I know that many of the well educated, technically inclined men now have good paying jobs in Germany.  Generally, what is left is relatively slim pickings.  On the other hand, women tend to study less immediately marketable careers and, thus, haven't left their countries in as large numbers leading to an imbalance of well-educated women to men, which it sounds like Jooky is targetting.


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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 03:49:28 PM »
[size="4"][color="blue"]Todd,

 While you are for the most part right about the
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There is also a cultural element, as long a western men and American men in particular are seen as better husbands and fathers ladies from the FSU will seek them out. At-any-rate any changes will not happen for may years to come so it is a mute point, there will still be vast numbers of ladies from the FSU wanting to find an American husband.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 05:50:56 PM »
Did you meet all of the 9 women on WOVO trips or were some met on the same trip?

Two WOVO trips. Met one on a business trip, but close enough to WOVO. Met three on a whirlwind tour of Russia. Met two while I was already out here. One arrived to me in California.

Did you meet any of the nine on subsequent trips? 

Yes, all but three. Two subsequent trips to one. Two subsequent trips to another. One made two trips to see me. Two I met again by chance on a trip not planned specifically to meet them. One is a good friend who I've met up with in various spots around the world.

How fast until you knew they were not right for you? 

Fastest: one minute. Slowest: Three visits over six months.

Did you make the decision or did they?

Two, they, but with time one completely changed her mind. One, her, but the feeling was absolutely mutual. Five, me. One was right for me. I am not yet married.

Were all your trips to Russia?

I met one girl in Sweden and one in California. The rest I met in Russia: Moscow, Sochi, Siberia, and Khabarovsk. No trips to Ukraine.

That's a brief summary. You could have read my 100 page report instead!

From their profile and initial correspondence all of these women fit the ideals so many men search for. Time revealed otherwise. There is often much that you won't see until you actually visit a woman in her home town.

How can you expect none of the nine to come from a "good family" and be able to make a "good family" with you?

I don't, though I've seen stranger things. I get your point though, and agree. I'd say three of the women I met have good relations with their family and these are the three I imagine will raise a good family in the future.

I've been surprised at the number of women I've met here that have little to no desire for children. Considering the decreasing birth rate in Russia maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

I strongly believe you should focus on character traits

I agree. I did.

I'm just listing the traits I so often hear that lure men to this crazy endeavor. ;)

Honesty is a hard trait to start with! It can take a long time to discover.

western men and American men in particular are seen as better husbands and fathers ladies from the FSU will seek them out.

I have met very few women here that truly think that so called Western men make better husbands and fathers than Russian men. The women that I have met that did believe this had never met a foreigner. There is hype on both sides of the pond.

 

 

 
« Last Edit: January 23, 2006, 05:55:00 PM by Jooky »

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2006, 07:54:40 AM »
 

"One was right for me. I am not yet married."

So exactly where along the process are you now?  You've most probably become an expert at understanding exactly what you want and hopefully are equally adept at quickly recognizing what you are looking for at this time in your life. 

Where is your girlfriend / fiance from?   How soon until we will be reading about your next adventure?   
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2006, 09:49:24 AM »
So exactly where along the process are you now?

I don't want to ruin my story for those who had been following it. (It's not currently available but I'll bring it back before long) so I won't say much.

But I will say this:

There is something that I noticed that comes with dating a much younger woman. I make the decisions and I take the responsibility. I have decided to do not simply what's good for me, but what's right for her. It's not about what I am looking for in my life, but what is good for her life as well.

 

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2006, 11:12:36 AM »
OK, will wait for the next chapter.  :)
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2006, 04:13:38 PM »
TigerPaws...

Your comment...
There is also a cultural element, as long a western men and American men in particular are seen as better husbands and fathers ladies from the FSU will seek them out. At-any-rate any changes will not happen for may years to come so it is a mute point, there will still be vast numbers of ladies from the FSU wanting to find an American husband.


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My argument is that the economics is at the very least somewhat responsible for the cultural element.  i.e. due to the imabalance of men to women, men feel that they can "get away" with more.

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2006, 01:14:53 AM »
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I have decided to do not simply what's good for me, but what's right for her. It's not about what I am looking for in my life, but what is good for her life as well.


 That's why he is sill not marriied

Sorry , couldn't help myself :D
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2006, 10:06:08 AM »
Todd,
 
 There is little question that economics has a lot to do with a ladies desire to find a man from the west, that coupled with cultural issues a shortage of men either real or preceived makes for good hunting grounds for American and other western men.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2006, 01:23:17 PM »
As an aside, because of my past experience, I make the girls relationship with her parents a very important factor of whether or not I pursue her. The lady I am involved with now lives with her parents and still has a very close and warm relationship with them both. She even braggs about them a little.:D

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2006, 08:59:52 PM »
Hello Jooky

from Golden25

i will apply the qualities of my soon to be ex russian wife Elena to your 7 questions

Elena: 42 years old.  mother of 14 year old girl.

Goal: To find a man who will pay for everything why she does exercizes, yoga, fung shway, shopping, going out to eat and getting her hair done. and to make me drive all over the midwest to modeling agencies and have 1000's of photos taken of her daughter. and i almost forgot TO WATCH DVD'S OF THE PROGRAM - SEX IN THE CITY -OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


Beautiful: average - i was was not looking for a beauty queen just a good wife!

Feminine: yes she was very feminine and charming.  

Good cook: Decent cook,but prefered not to, so she made her daughter do most of it.

Tidy housewife: Not really, she wanted a maid.  I was more simple for me to wash the dishes after i worked 10 hours rather than to listen to her complain about.

Good family: Father died some years back - poor relationship with her mother, now i can see why

Desires children: Has one daughter and hates my 2 children.

Educated: Yes, but to lazy to do anything with it.

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Tooky I am going to add to your list

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Religion: I was told orthodox, even went to church with her in Moscow, her true religion was a cross between black magic & orthodox, very suspersticious

Work Ethic: Lazy

Driving abiltiy: poor, shes going to kill someone,  i dare not take the insurance off the car she is driving.

Tooky I seen some of the reply's to your posting about why american men seek russian ladies, and i am sure there are many reasons, i guess i have not really seen any that matched my reasons for seeking a russian wife.

1st - My first wife [ american] was abusive.  I figured a Russian wife would never dare to hit, kick, choke or threaten me with a knife,  I was Wrong.

2nd - The inlaws from my first marrage got on my nerves, I figured with a russian wife i would not have any of the issues that come with inlaws. This proved to be true.

3rd - With a russian wife there would be no issues that come from having to deal with my wifes ex husband, This also proved to be true.

4th- I was hoping for a wife around 40 with only 1 child over the age of 10. it seems most american single ladies this age tend to have more children than 1 but not always, anyway Elena had 1 daughter 14 years old, however Sasha had enough attitude equal to dealing with 4 kids, i have a 17 year old daughter myself and believe me 13 to 15 is not an easy age for girls.

Das va don ya -  golden25

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2006, 11:54:42 AM »
[user=769]golden25[/user] wrote:
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Hello Jooky

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i will apply the qualities of my soon to be ex russian wife Elena to your 7 questions

Elena: 42 years old.  mother of 14 year old girl.

Goal: To find a man who will pay for everything why she does exercizes, yoga, fung shway, shopping, going out to eat and getting her hair done. and to make me drive all over the midwest to modeling agencies and have 1000's of photos taken of her daughter. and i almost forgot TO WATCH DVD'S OF THE PROGRAM - SEX IN THE CITY -OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


Beautiful: average - i was was not looking for a beauty queen just a good wife!

Feminine: yes she was very feminine and charming.  

Good cook: Decent cook,but prefered not to, so she made her daughter do most of it.

Tidy housewife: Not really, she wanted a maid.  I was more simple for me to wash the dishes after i worked 10 hours rather than to listen to her complain about.

Good family: Father died some years back - poor relationship with her mother, now i can see why

Desires children: Has one daughter and hates my 2 children.

Educated: Yes, but to lazy to do anything with it.

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Tooky I am going to add to your list

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Religion: I was told orthodox, even went to church with her in Moscow, her true religion was a cross between black magic & orthodox, very suspersticious

Work Ethic: Lazy

Driving abiltiy: poor, shes going to kill someone,  i dare not take the insurance off the car she is driving.

Tooky I seen some of the reply's to your posting about why american men seek russian ladies, and i am sure there are many reasons, i guess i have not really seen any that matched my reasons for seeking a russian wife.

1st - My first wife [ american] was abusive.  I figured a Russian wife would never dare to hit, kick, choke or threaten me with a knife,  I was Wrong.

2nd - The inlaws from my first marrage got on my nerves, I figured with a russian wife i would not have any of the issues that come with inlaws. This proved to be true.

3rd - With a russian wife there would be no issues that come from having to deal with my wifes ex husband, This also proved to be true.

4th- I was hoping for a wife around 40 with only 1 child over the age of 10. it seems most american single ladies this age tend to have more children than 1 but not always, anyway Elena had 1 daughter 14 years old, however Sasha had enough attitude equal to dealing with 4 kids, i have a 17 year old daughter myself and believe me 13 to 15 is not an easy age for girls.

Das va don ya -  golden25
Golden-very interesting. Let me ask u,have u had any discussion with ur future russian wife about the family relationships? How she saw it? Also,did she change after coming to usa and didnt u see before what a person she is? Just curious.

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2006, 11:10:54 PM »
Hello - A Fiancee

If you read the posting i left on the following web page on RWD -[address shown at the bottom]it will explain the whole situation. You see Elena used me, so now i don't think amount of talking preparing or discussing about family and relationships would have made any difference on how our marriage turned out. and i didn't have anyway of seeing this before. Elenawas like a Saint until she arrived here. we corresponded via e-mail from 2002 to 2004 - 2 to 3 letters a day, Many phone calls to eachother, I spent a week with her in Moscow i spent a week with her in Spain, I guess the best way to get to know someone is time, dating side by side for 2 years rather than writing letters for 2 yearsand only spending 2 weeks together. I knew her mostly by what she led me to believe in her written words, but when she got here her actions were not the same, I guess the old saying is still very true ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

Basically Elena is what you all refer to here as a GREENCARD GIRL.

The diary Elena forgot to take with her when she left explains she used meto get her greencard, since she got tired of waiting she choose claiming domestic violence which will get her a greencardalso if her claim is true. [that is how its is supposed to work] here are some actual quotes from her diary in bold text below. The judge and jury at the up coming courtdomestic violencecase are going to find this diary i had translated very very interesting and its going to blow her abuse claim all the way back to Yaraoslavl.

diary - I MUST BE CRUEL BUT CHARMING, BE CUNNING BUT DELICATE, PATIENT BUT ACTIVE, SOFT BUT DEADLY DANGEROUS, I MUST HAVE TOTAL INDEPENDENCE FROM ANYONE ELSE AND MANY MONEY MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS SO WE CAN GO AND LEAVE ME WITH SASHA AND LIVE IN A GOOD STATE NEAR THE OCEAN AND LIVE THERE WITH TOTAL COMFORT WITH MY OWN BIG BEAUTIFUL HOUSE WITH A VIEW OF THE OCEAN AND MOUNTAINS. A VERY GOOD CAR AND SASHA WILL BE GOING TO A VERY GOOD SCHOOL AND WE CAN GO TOTHE EXPENSIVE GYM. I WILLBE MAKING MONEY VERY EASILYMAKING MORE THAN$100,000.00 PER MONTH - ANYWAY I CAN - MONEY LOVES ME AND WILL RUN ON MY ACCOUNT LIKE A GOLDEN RIVER. MY LIFE MY MONEY MY IDEAS TOTALLY APART FROM GARY. I TOTALLY FORGET OUR LIFE HERE TOGETHER WHEN MY AND SASHA STATUS IN THIS COUNTRY IS STABLE AND DONE IN AMERICA.

I WILL HAVE MY FRIEND MY LOVER, HE IS VERY RESPECTABLE AND RICH AND HE HELPS ME AND MY DAUGHTER. I HAVE MY OWN MONEY IF I WANT I CAN BE WITHOUT HIM. I AM OBSOLETELY PERFECT IN MY ACTIONS, I ADORE MY DAUGHTER AND HELP HER IN EVERYTHING. I WANT TO DO THIS AND EVERY DAY I AM CLIMBING THE NEXT STEP. HIGHER POWERS PROTECT ME, HIGHER POWERS LOVE ME AND GUIDE ME. THIS IS MY SCENARIO AND EVERYONE PLAYS THE PART AND ROLE I GAVE THEM TO PLAY, I AM COMPLETELY PERFECT, I AM NOT JUDGEABLE,-- SCENARIO , ACTING PEOPLE 1ST ACT 1 TO 3 MONTHS SVETAPLAYS THE ROLE I GAVE HER TO PLAY. DAY BY DAY MY INFLUENCE ON GARY GROWING AND GROWING, ME MYSELF EVERYDAY I BECOME MORE FREE FROM HIM. HE WILL PAY ME WITH PLEASURE AND JOY OR HE WILL BE IN FEAR HORROR AND PAIN. HE MUST PLAY HIS ROLE AND THAT IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE MONEY COMFORT AND CALM. ACT 2 - 3 TO 6 MONTHS SASHA MAKE BIG MONEY MODELING AND BIG MONEY FROM SVETA. WE BECOMING INDEPENDENT AND READY TO LEAVE GARY - ME SASHA AND CAT, SUCCESS WE ARENEVER WRONG. GARY STANDING ASIDE FROM OUR PLANS AND TOTALLY CALM AND LET US LEAVE BUT NOT BEFORE RECEIVING OUR DOCUMENTS ON THE GREENCARD.

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2006, 12:08:39 AM »
Your crazy wife wrote her diary in English?

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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2006, 12:34:53 AM »
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...this diary i had translated ...

 

 

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2006, 06:48:49 AM »
Golden,

A bit off topic but I really think you should post as little as possible about your situation until you get the 'all clear' from your legal advisor to do so..  In fact I would let him know what you already did post to get his reaction.

You may feel anonymous here but anything you write can easily make it's way back to your opponent and possibly be used against you later.  For example the diary you mentioned could present an element of 'surprise' in court if she thinks it is just 'lost' and hasn't mentioned it's existence to her advisor.  Even if they know you have it they do not know exactly what was written.  You now may run the risk they will be well prepared to respond with some 'reasonable' explainations and/or even try to force you to give it back.

Within minutes using google and your posts I found your home address, telephone number, business location, know the business you are in etc etc..

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2006, 08:32:02 AM »
i had it translated twice

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2006, 08:34:45 AM »
JookY - we had depositions the other day and my Lawyer opened his breif cade and the diary was sitting on top in plain veiw for Elena to see,  she knows we have it.

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2006, 10:21:22 AM »
MANY MONEY, OBSOLETELY, WE BECOMING, GARY STANDING...

You need a much better translator. What you posted is riddled with mistakes and it reads as if written in English by someone unproficient in the English language.

If I was on your jury I would question the validity and integrity of a translation such as that. If I was judge I would order a proper translation or throw out this evidence.

 

 

 

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2006, 11:12:38 AM »
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If I was on your jury I would question the validity and integrity of a translation such as that. If I was judge I would order a proper translation or throw out this evidence.


The 'evidence' won't be admissable without the translator's personal testimony. In that testimony, his/her credibility and proficiency will be challenged mercilessly by opposing counsel - particularly as it is so (apparently) damning.

Unless the translator is highly-certified and has testified in court previously (preferably on MANY occasions), there is a very good chance that this will be nullified.

Best bet may be for the AM to have his attorney question each of those points in deposition - WITH a qualified expert translator present and party to the depositions. Yes, it is expensive - massively so. But in this way, the answers taken during deposition may be probed more fully for their consistency (or lack of) with the diaries - and later, the deposition is a VERY good tool for use in court - when the deponent is on the stand offering testimony.

Please note, I am NOT an attorney. I am only a simple person having VASTLY more experience with the US legal system than any 10 people ought to. Take my comments FWIW

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2006, 11:12:45 AM »
Tooky Your right this translation is the first one i had done by russian speaking person verbally and i wrote it down.  it was also translated professionally and my lawyer has that copy.   The Jury will be from this part of the state and will be very regligious and  the diary goes on futher to explain her blackmagic and what she will do to me if i stand in her way.  The jury here will not like this crap about black magic and casting of spells and they will fry her!!! 

How could a jury disput this, we have the diary we have her finger prints on it, we have it professionally translated.  sure she can lie and say its not hers, but then who wrote it? i sure can write russian. my kids can't either.

 

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