manny's thread

[BC]

In the 9 years I've been following these boards it's a constant cycle..

On board 1 agency A fights agency B
then when that calms
board 1 fights board 2
then when that calms
agency B fights agency C
and on and on
definitely ad nauseam..

I do rejoice though.. it seems board 1 and 2 have amicably called it quits.. but it's not all rosy yet since this now leaves a lot of room for agency J and E to raise their volume without distraction.

The bottom line for me is:

Look at the last hundred posts from Jack and Eduard.. see anything at all that is helpful to a newcomer or adds value to the board?

Jack's posts:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts

Eduard's posts:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6309;sa=showPosts

decide for yourself.

My opin FWIW is that the 'contributions' per se of these two commercial entities is of no value whatsoever (zero, nada, zilch) to the members of this board and therefore should be summarily dismissed to seek other venues to peddle their warez.  Yes, banned or burned at the stake.

Take the time to review their 'contributions' and let me know if I'm wrong.




 

[Eduard]

last night jack started again, I promptly put him on ignore, problem solved. Not much more to discuss here. I should have put him on ignore from the time I came onto the forum. But since he was banned from RUA a while back I forgot how he gets. Now he can make a fool out of himself without any help from me. Manny, I suggest you do the same.

[Rubicon]

     If I or anyone else was considering using the services of these three, I think I have lost my motivation for doing so.  Eduard seems to be the most professional of the three, but his fees are much to high in my opinion.  Jack has decent fees but I do not like a guy who attacks his competitors.  Stuart is pushing his book and the services of his wifes agency, and I have not seen her website so I have no opinion on that other than the only agency I would probably do business with is EM based on extensive reading here.  the old saying is true, don't say anything if you cannot say something nice.  and the way I see it, Jack owes Stuart $50,000.00 since the photo of his girlfriend was not in the aforementioned book.  good luck on collecting that.

[Jack]

Thank goodness you don't run this board BC. But then if you did, their would be no one here . 

BC I do not rely on this or any other discussion board for my clients.  With that being the case I have never been afraid to call a spade a spade and I know some potential clients do not care for this type attitude.  Of the now over 2600 clients who I have helped, clients who have met me over the last 14 years, I am VERY proud to say that over 96% of those clients were happy with my results, consider me a friend and most important, recommend me to their friends. The one greatest source of my clients today are the word of mouth recommendations from previous clients. One could not find a greater source for their clients.

Now with regards to eduard, I will ALWAYS point out things that he, or anyone else post's, that I think will be detrimental to men in the pursuit for a Russian bride.

Last night was a good example. 

HRB is an aggregator providing video chat and other technologies to hundreds of small local agencies in Ukraine to connect them with WM.

All the bad stuff is happening on Ukrainian soil.

For any of the newby's reading this they might think that ALL the scamming being done by Hot Russian Brides is happening in Ukraine. I KNOW this is not the case. I know young girls are also scamming from the Saratov affiliate. I expect young girls are also scamming from the other Russian HRB offices. 

If an individual, especially a new person, was to look at eduards statement, ....

HRB is an aggregator providing video chat and other technologies to hundreds of small local agencies in Ukraine to connect them with WM. From what I've heard, these local agencies are the ones who are running scam for the most part, so since HRB only provides the technology and doesn't initiate the actual scamming you can't really touch them. All the bad stuff is happening on Ukrainian soil.

.... one could very easily think that ALL the HRB scamming is happening in Ukraine.  This is NOT a true statement. And of course when I asked eduard about this, well... all could see his reply for themselves.  By eduards own words, he has terrible success in Ukraine, maybe he is wanting to manufacture excuses for his Ukraine failures and my thinking is if you can't be successful in Ukraine, you have a problem.

 
If you BC, or anyone else, is turned off by my comments the solution is real easy.  Do as eduard has done, just put me on your ignore list. It works really well.

[Eduard]

Eduard seems to be the most professional of the three, but his fees are much to high in my opinion.... ...the only agency I would probably do business with is EM based on extensive reading here. 

Rubicon, I'm just curious why do you think that my services are too expensive while at the same time saying that you would use EM? Do you realise that EM offers a service similar to mine with the downpayment of $10,000 upfront? And by the way, as far as I heard they don't even accept private clients for that service until spring time. To be fair, you have to compare apples with apples and when you compare my service with similar service by EM my services are significantly less expensive. And my track record speaks for itself.

[GoodOlBoy]

If you BC, or anyone else, is turned off by my comments the solution is real easy.  Do as eduard has done, just put me on your ignore list. It works really well.

Actually, IMHO, what would work "really well" (for me) would be for you to be registered as a regular member like the rest of us and not be allowed to discuss/argue about ANY of your (or the other commercial members) business affairs on this forum.

GOB

[Jack]

GOB that would be fine, I can easily not discuss my business affairs, however I mentioned above, if I ever saw anything anyone wrote, from a regular member or commercial member, that I thought would hurt someone involved with the pursuit for a Russian bride, I'm going to say something. 

[GoodOlBoy]

GOB that would be fine, I can easily not discuss my business affairs,.....

Although I doubt your sincerity, this would be a good start.

GOB

[Jack]

Although I doubt your sincerity, this would be a good start.

GOB

GOB, I wouldn't have a problem with this but I think it should be reciprocal, don't you?

Why don't we do this.  eduard does not read my messages so you, or Dan, someone of character, try to get eduard to do the same. I think I can quite easily post, write, comment, without bringing my business interest into play.  The commercial members have a place where they are allowed to advertise I think once a month. This should be observed, ONCE A MONTH, and commercial members should not be advertising everyday in every thread of every post's they make.  To me, it will be a piece of cake to observe.  I think the real issue will be getting eduard to agree.

[JohnDearGreen]

He owes me $50K (and, seemingly, this *is* true.. the photo wasn't "in the book")

Actually most gambling is illegal in Texas.  A few exceptions are horse racing and
private social gambling.  That bet was on a public board, so not a legal bet.  There
is a $500 max fine.

[GQBlues]

Fortunately   

Actually most gambling is illegal in Texas. 

That's because of 2 reasons I presume (?)...

1. Texans shot up all the Indians (Hah-ha!)
2. They get enough revenue suing one another for everything under the hot Texan sun....

[BC]

Thank goodness you don't run this board BC. But then if you did, their would be no one here . 

BC I do not rely on this or any other discussion board for my clients.  With that being the case I have never been afraid to call a spade a spade and I know some potential clients do not care for this type attitude.  Of the now over 2600 clients who I have helped, clients who have met me over the last 14 years, I am VERY proud to say that over 96% of those clients were happy with my results, consider me a friend and most important, recommend me to their friends. The one greatest source of my clients today are the word of mouth recommendations from previous clients. One could not find a greater source for their clients.

.......
 
If you BC, or anyone else, is turned off by my comments the solution is real easy.  Do as eduard has done, just put me on your ignore list. It works really well.

Jack,

As a member I do in effect 'run' a board, or at the very least contribute to it without interests other than occasional personal satisfaction that maybe, just maybe, my posts may reach a few members that can profit from them.  Many other members join me in 'running' this board.  I have share my experiences and learn from the experiences of others - in the end, that's what it's all about here.  

You seem to miss the point of RWD entirely and have shared little or nothing.  You come and go, noticeably before upcoming tours.  We can expect you to visit around the same times every year like clockwork.  Review your own posts using the link I provided.  If you feel you truly contribute, show us the substance instead of fluff 'n boast.  Fact is you don't need to show anything, just let others do the same and draw their own opinions.

It is quite sad to see someone who obviously has a great deal of experience in FSU but instead of sharing embroils himself into the endless, dark pit of commercial 'activity'.

I really don't care about your clients or whether they are happy or not, I was not one of them nor will ever be. My days of silly party games and high school dances with sweaty palms are long past. 2600 clients and only one TG that shares his experience on this and other boards is mighty slim evidence of 'success'.. -and guess what.. he wasn't even that interested on his last 'tour'.  Call it what you will, I call it a load of crappola.

As to ignoring, I have never put you on ignore, but highly doubt you have done the same.  In any case it does not matter one bit whether you have me on ignore or not.  In topics such as these you'd obviously peek anyway.

I'll close now with one simple question:

Why are you here Jack??

[Vinnvinny]

I really don't care about your clients or whether they are happy or not, I was not one of them nor will ever be. My days of silly party games and high school dances with sweaty palms are long past.

Well I guess if you're geriatric and looking for a granny then Jack's tours wouldnt be a good place to start. Mind you, I never got to see any party games or high school dances, they must have done that the morning I had a sleep in.

2600 clients and only one TG that shares his experience on this and other boards is mighty slim evidence of 'success'..

I've shared my experience here and on other boards so that's double the number you quoted. Let's not let facts get in the way of a good bit of banter, nobody else does so no harm there. 

[Vaughn]

GOB, I wouldn't have a problem with this but I think it should be reciprocal, don't you?

Jack, what I think should be reciprocal is the Ignore function.

[shakespear]

Actually most gambling is illegal in Texas.  A few exceptions are horse racing and private social gambling.  That bet was on a public board, so not a legal bet.  There is a $500 max fine.

Why would Texas laws apply?  Jack was in Ukraine when he made the bet.  Manny was in Great Britian.  I don't believe the site is hosted in Texas.  One of those three places would have "jurisdictional standing"; Texas law would be irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm not so sure the law in any jurisdiction prohibits juvenile "put-your-money-where-your-mouth is" bets at stake levels neither party had any intention of paying if they lost. 

[JohnDearGreen]

Why would Texas laws apply?  Jack was in Ukraine when he made the bet.  Manny was in Great Britian.  I don't believe the site is hosted in Texas.  One of those three places would have "jurisdictional standing"; Texas law would be irrelevant.

Both the initial making of the bet and the act of settling the bet would be illegal in Texas if not done privately.

[JohnDearGreen]

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=1578.0
8 trips over 7 years totalling about 10 months in 3 FSU countries. Go on take a peek I even have photos of hot girls that I know!

Better cover up the evidence sometime before your wife learns English and Google searching.

[Rubicon]

Rubicon, I'm just curious why do you think that my services are too expensive while at the same time saying that you would use EM? Do you realise that EM offers a service similar to mine with the downpayment of $10,000 upfront? And by the way, as far as I heard they don't even accept private clients for that service until spring time. To be fair, you have to compare apples with apples and when you compare my service with similar service by EM my services are significantly less expensive. And my track record speaks for itself.

Eduard, you missunderstood.  I was not comparing your services to EM.  if you carefully read what I wrote, you would see that I was comparing the marriage agency of Manny's/Stuart's wife to that of EM.

I only made a general statement that I feel your fees are way too high.  for example I believe you want $200 or $250 to help translate and place a profile on a russian website, but you want a $1000.00 registration fee on top of it.  that is an outrageous price in my opinion.  I believe I can hire a russian translator for about $100.00 to help me translate my profile.  why would I pay you $1250.00??  I also think you fees to acompany somebody are high.  if you were based in Russia it would be better.  but you are not, so I would have to pay your airfare, hotel and food, in addition to $250 per day!!  I can hire a translator in Russia or Ukraine for about $15 an hour or less.  I can book my own airfare, and find the best apartment or hotel rates myself.  I do not need your help.  if you were based in Russia and charging $100 per day I would consider it for one or two days, maybe three, to help me know the real intentions of the lady.  overall I think I am a pretty good judge of character and can learn things myself the hard way.

[Eduard]

Rubicon, you are comparing apples and oranges when comparing my services and FEES to any MOB agency, whether it's Manny's wife's or jack's tour business, local translators, etc. I tried to point out to you that you should be comparing apples with apples, hence the reason I brought up EM's special VIP service that they offer which is similar to what I do. But apparently you didn't understand me. Although I personally don't get your decision to "do it the hard way" I can respect it. It's a free country after all, and you are free to choose whichever venue you feel most comfortable with. Men who used my services know that there are many benefits of having me work for them in order to accomplish the goal of finding a suitable FSU soulmate. If money is your main concern, then I'd like to point out to you that saving money happens to be one of those benefits. If you ask most WM on this forum (who didn't use me) how much did they spend looking and in some cases finding their FSU wife you will find out that most spent $25K to $50K on average (I am assuming this might be correct since there was a poll on RUA about how much men who did marry an FSU woman spent). Compare that to $12K to $20K that my former clients spent on average.
Add on top of that, the fact that my clients didn't have to deal with guess work, never had to worry about scam, prodaters, dishonest MOB agencies, women with an agenda, insincere women etc., got to know their future wife very well, with no language barrier (so unlike many who go into this venture they actually had a very good idea of who they married BEFORE they married them), didn't have to deal with any logistics and could strictly focus on their women during the trip, had me at their disposal 24/7 when travelling to the FSU and having their fiancee in a matter of 4 to 5 months (compared to 2 to 5 years that many men spend to find an FSU wife (if they ever do that is), and you might find that using my services is well worth the money for some WM and can actually save a WM a bundle. And don't forget - time is money. So even if you personally don't mind investing 3 or 4 years of your time in "learning the ropes" others might value a service like mine. You really don't have a full understanding of what all is involved in what I do and are too quick to make negative comments IMO.
I find it ironic that people who actually worked with me have nothing but positive to say about using my services and all of them found what they were looking for relatively quick and inexpensively. Yet people who have never worked with me, never talked to me or met me are saying all the negative stuff.

[Vinnvinny]

Rubicon: It may be worth bringing to your attention at this juncture that Ed's kids need feeding everyday. Please bear that in mind when expressing your opinion.

[Rubicon]

Eduard, once again I was not comparing your fees to a MOB agency. It was your decision to do that.  I was making a general statement that I feel your fees are to high for what you do.  if I want a wingman in Ukraine I could hire Ace or others; and I do not need to pay for their airfare because they are already there.  if I was travelling to Russia and wanted an interpreter/wingperson, I would do the same thing.  I would hire them over there.  for the most part I do not personally feel the need for a wingman, but if I did I would save large amounts of money by hiring them in country.  so you are probably very good at what you do (that's a positive compliment), however your fees are too high for my taste (I guess that's a negative).  I would rather spend the money on the lady or ladies I was visiting than on you.

on another note I went to your website and looked it over.  you did not answer my question as to why you charge a $1000.00 registration fee, on top of $250 to help translate a profile into Russian.  to me that is like a car dealer that tries to charge a $500 dealer markup on top of the sticker price.  that is a turnoff and I just take my business elsewhere.

I also think you should reconsider the link to the website of Winston Wu.  that guy is kind of a creep and your association with him is going to hurt your credibility.  you should also reconsider the photos of the American men.  you have a photo of a short pudgy balding guy in shorts and flip flops.  not very professional.  why not hire a model or get a friend to where a suit and tie and take photos of them??

I think it was Kuna above who offered you ways to grow your business.  you should consider his ideas.

[tim 360]

Rubicon, you are comparing apples and oranges when comparing my services and FEES to any MOB agency, whether it's Manny's wife's or jack's tour business, local translators, etc. I tried to point out to you that you should be comparing apples with apples, hence the reason I brought up EM's special VIP service that they offer which is similar to what I do. But apparently you didn't understand me. Although I personally don't get your decision to "do it the hard way" I can respect it. It's a free country after all, and you are free to choose whichever venue you feel most comfortable with. Men who used my services know that there are many benefits of having me work for them in order to accomplish the goal of finding a suitable FSU soulmate. If money is your main concern, then I'd like to point out to you that saving money happens to be one of those benefits. If you ask most WM on this forum (who didn't use me) how much did they spend looking and in some cases finding their FSU wife you will find out that most spent $25K to $50K on average (I am assuming this might be correct since there was a poll on RUA about how much men who did marry an FSU woman spent). Compare that to $12K to $20K that my former clients spent on average.
Add on top of that, the fact that my clients didn't have to deal with guess work, never had to worry about scam, prodaters, dishonest MOB agencies, women with an agenda, insincere women etc., got to know their future wife very well, with no language barrier (so unlike many who go into this venture they actually had a very good idea of who they married BEFORE they married them), didn't have to deal with any logistics and could strictly focus on their women during the trip, had me at their disposal 24/7 when travelling to the FSU and having their fiancee in a matter of 4 to 5 months (compared to 2 to 5 years that many men spend to find an FSU wife (if they ever do that is), and you might find that using my services is well worth the money for some WM and can actually save a WM a bundle. And don't forget - time is money. So even if you personally don't mind investing 3 or 4 years of your time in "learning the ropes" others might value a service like mine. You really don't have a full understanding of what all is involved in what I do and are too quick to make negative comments IMO.
I find it ironic that people who actually worked with me have nothing but positive to say about using my services and all of them found what they were looking for relatively quick and inexpensively. Yet people who have never worked with me, never talked to me or met me are saying all the negative stuff.

Just way too much advertising yourself Ed