Do not fall in love with beautiful pictures

[norskjon]

Hi guys, I'm new.

I have been hitting the contact sites lately (freepersonals.ru, russianeuro, ukrainedate, elenasmodels, luckylovers) and I've met a lot of scammers. The topic in this thread is a really complicated one: How to spot a scammer from a profile. It is really hard. The idea that women who look like sluts are scammers, is wrong. They are most likely just honest, stupid sluts. Any profile can be a scammer. The scammers even use pictures of girls that are not so pretty, and demanding both in age and education. In some cases they even have real women writing the mail. I have experienced getting their phone numbers too. If they answer the phone they ask you to call later. I have never been asked for money by scammers. The strategy is probably to never ask, but just wait for the man to take some initiative. In most cases you can see it in the way they write. They tend to not read your mails well, they write things that can be copy pasted, they may be overly enthusiastic about you. They write during daytime. But in the bad cases it can be really hard to spot. I've never had a long good phone conversation with a scammer though.

Cultural differences: I was in Egypt this year and I noticed a striking difference between the russian girls and girls from western countries. Every single good looking russian girl posed for bikini shots on the beach. They stood in different sensual positions and it was just as if they were making a swimsuit edition. Mostly it was their boyfriends who took the pictures. But sometimes other girls. So there is a cultural difference, as none of the western girls did this.

There is a trend change these days too. Women show more attractive pictures of themselves on the net. More skin, nicer clothing. I see this trend in Norway too (my home country). It is just natural. Why should women make themselves pretty when they go out, but not on the net? The net is safer than the town, the media scare frenzy is dying down a bit. The net is not just a place for freaks anymore, it is becoming a legitimate dating area for everyone. In the future most people may meet their partners on the net. We are pioneers guys ;-).

[Eduard]

ello Jon and welcome to the forum! I've met a few women from Norway and they were stunningly beautiful and seemed nice. What's the situation is like there? Why are you looking for a RW instead of for a local woman?

[norskjon]

I am not sure what the situation is "out on the town", as I am never there. But when it comes to the net it is really bad. At least if you are 37, like me, and about average in career and income. I would like to have a woman who is around 30 or less, smart, nice, somewhat attractive. The age is because I would like to at least have the option to have 3 kids. I get the feeling that eastern european women can accept an age difference of at least 10 years. Norwegian women want less than 10 years. And the good looking ones just have enough options to not consider me. I simply don't get any interests or visitors on my norwegian profiles.

So far the search in eastern Europe has been up and down. Today it is really down. I had contact with this gorgeous 31 year old from elenas models. She really seemed to like me after the first mail. And then, no answer after I spent 2 hours writing the best mail I could to her. It is about the 5th time it happens in a week. Sigh, 1 or 2 messages, and then silence. I guess my pictures are good, but the messages disappoint them. I don't know. Really disappointing when you put a lot of effort into writing to them. I have also had contact with a few nice and sharp personalities that I really liked. Unfortunately, when they showed me better pictures of themselves I wasn't attracted enough. Really sad, but even if personality and chemistry is the most important thing there has to be some attraction too.

[Chicagoguy]

norskjon - this is a marathon, not a sprint.

[Eduard]

I had contact with this gorgeous 31 year old from elenas models. She really seemed to like me after the first mail. And then, no answer after I spent 2 hours writing the best mail I could to her. It is about the 5th time it happens in a week. Sigh, 1 or 2 messages, and then silence.

Seems like EM is the most recommended site on this forum, so they must be doing something right, I guess. I think the reason this is happening to you is because you and many other WM contact the same, beautiful women listed there. At any giving time there is probably several thousand WM seeking beautiful RW (only a few seek average looking RW) so the competition must be pretty fierce! The girl you were writing to, might be getting 50 letters a day from WM, so all it would take for her to forget you is to get letters from just one or two guys who happen to appeal to her more than you do. The bottom line is that if a girl is beautiful, not a scammer and listed on a MOB site you face a lot of competition from other WM.
Just my opinion
Eduard

[JR]

Apply your personal standards to yourself and not those of another culture. Don't make judgements about others cultural standards until you understand them and then only in the context that it's not "your" cup of tea.

[Tag-n-bag]

When I was in Odessa a few weeks ago, I dated a woman for about a week that I had corresponded with for about 4 months on a site very similar to Anastasia.

The thing that amazed me about her was that she had 2 very distinct looks. When I say distinct, I mean that when she was dressed casually with her hair up she was still very attractive, but not amazingly so. The transformation occurred when her hair came down. It was really remarkable! When her hair came tumbling down, she would undergo a physical transformation to the extent that you would not recognize her had you not been there to witness it.  She was every bit as gorgeous as her photographs, if not more so in the flesh. I remember the first time it happened, I turned around and thought, what happened to the woman I was with...no matter, I like this one better!

I've never witnessed anything quite like it before.

[erudite]

You might consider the pros and cons of pictures you study when you see these pictures I attach to this post:

[Eduard]

do you honestly attribute the transformation on the very last photo to Photoshop?

[SFandEE]

I agree "do not fall in love with beautiful pictures"

Good thread for discussion.

I will add that in my travels and experiences in meeting women by photo then in person that there are many women that are every bit as beautiful in person as their photo.  The challenge is their sincerity and ability to pursue a relationship with a WM.

The business side of this business is the driving force.  The relationship part is a lot of effort with a huge downside, but from a few examples I have seen also a very huge upside.

Proceed with caution and if you find someone special who treats you well then also proceed with passion.

[SFandEE]

There are 3 photos of the same girl on a local dating site in Russia. There is no way a MOB agency would allow her photo number 3 on their site, yet it demonstrates a whole other side of her personality that you prolly wouldn't even guess from the first 2 photos. Reading her profile (actually written by her and not a MOB agency translator) is also pretty telling...

If I saw a photo like number 3 I would run far away, very far away.  I can find that kind of woman anywhere.

[Walerian]

I´m curious,

I´ve only checked out Elena´s models (EM) so far but it is crazy that pretty much 100% of the photos have such high quality. I believe I found only 1 girl, out of maybe 60 that was overweight (and was honest about it anyway). So many of them are professionally taken too.

Why is this? If they are not all scammers, what motivates a near 100% of members to be so ambitious?

I´ve been a member of some swedish online dating sites and the photos there...they are like webcam pics compared to these.
They put hardly no effort into posting good pictures IME.

[Vinnvinny]

I´m curious,

I´ve only checked out Elena´s models (EM) so far but it is crazy that pretty much 100% of the photos have such high quality. I believe I found only 1 girl, out of maybe 60 that was overweight (and was honest about it anyway). So many of them are professionally taken too.

Why is this? If they are not all scammers, what motivates a near 100% of members to be so ambitious?

I´ve been a member of some swedish online dating sites and the photos there...they are like webcam pics compared to these.
They put hardly no effort into posting good pictures IME.

The answer is simple. Good photos 'sell' and girls know that.

[Lily]

I´m curious,

I´ve only checked out Elena´s models (EM) so far but it is crazy that pretty much 100% of the photos have such high quality. I believe I found only 1 girl, out of maybe 60 that was overweight (and was honest about it anyway). So many of them are professionally taken too.

Why is this? If they are not all scammers, what motivates a near 100% of members to be so ambitious?

I´ve been a member of some swedish online dating sites and the photos there...they are like webcam pics compared to these.
They put hardly no effort into posting good pictures IME.

A number of women who go the online dating way make a visit to stylist and professional photographer in order to make a portfolio for their online profile. Sometimes, agencies provide this, but many non-agency women are willing to undertake this kind of expenses in order to maximize their chances. EM also urges its female clients to get professional photos.

Unfortunately, a number of professionally taken photos include photoshopping.

IMHO, you correctly notice the difference in the efforts the Western and Russian women put into it.

[Vinnvinny]

Unfortunately, a number of professionally taken photos include photoshopping.

In my experience that number amounts to around 99.99% as nearly every professional photo I have seen has some photoshopping done to it.

[JR]

That's a pretty unsubstantiated statement. Got any proof?

[neo]

I work in a professional design capacity, and in the dim and distance past was a graphic designer at a leading international fashion magazine. Photoshopping images is par for the course. There is however a very good reason for it, unlike in person where you have a moving 3D image of a person and your ability to rate their attractiveness is based on their mannerisms, smile and other interactions a photo is a very flat form of observation that is very unflattering to imperfections. think about it logically, you don't sit staring at a person for 20 minutes non stop while they aren't moving yet you can do that with a photo, therefore photos come under much more scrutinity than either video or personal interactions.

Being married for 5 years to a fashion model i have seen some incredible photos of my wife, and also i see her with her hair up in my pyjamas first thing in the morning? is she still the same beautiful "supermodel" type? of course - she still possesses the same bone structure and so on its just no so apparant when she is not under the critical glare of studio lights/camera lenses. what makes her attractive is small things like her wrinkling her nose or a cheeky, as posted earlier she can look completely different depending on her mood.

VIdeo is actually a much better judge, since you see a person animated (and its also much more technically challenging to "photoshop" video images without some high end kit you will get a much better impression of what a person really looks like. since a camera lense can make a person look completely different from downright awful (28mm wide angle crapola digital lens) to CIndy Crawford (85mm-105mm Mamiya RZ portrait prime lens) a video actually gives more of a sense of a person as we see them in reality (in 3D) rather than a "flat" image.

I don't blame girls for taking huge efforts over their photos and using subtle photoshopping to get the best of of them, a lot of people just arent naturally photogenic but look simply stunning in person, on the other end of the scale supermodels such as kate moss photograph very well but look gaunt and lifeless in person.

WRT original question, generally i think scammers probably got more sophisticated, using and obviously photoshopped picture or provocative bikini shot is more likely to put peoples radar up on full, a clever scammer (as i have noticed) will use a very unassuming identity as they are more likely to come across as genuine. As to whether people feel they have been duped when they meet a girl with photoshopped/pro stylist pics who turns out to be much plainer in reality - you need to learn not to be so shallow and one dimensional or you are in for a lifetime of dissapointment, my wife works professionally to look good and mostly when she is at home looks quite plain and probably makes less of an effort to dress up than most girls since she does it all day for her work - the reality of living with a model is not the fantasy people would imagine.

[Eduard]

The answer is simple. Good photos 'sell' and girls know that.

actually, I think that having their photos done professionally is mostly a mailorder bride industry thing. Most women who put up personal ads on local Russian dating sites have simple snapshots on their profile. Only a small percentage have professional photos done.

[Eduard]

this is a good demo of a girl's studio glamour photos versus normal, every day snap shot look. Big difference! Personally I'd like to see what a girl actually looks like normally, before I'd wanna book a flight...

[Muzh]

Hi guys, I'm new.

I have been hitting the contact sites lately (freepersonals.ru, russianeuro, ukrainedate, elenasmodels, luckylovers) and I've met a lot of scammers.

Out of curiosity, how do you know?

The topic in this thread is a really complicated one: How to spot a scammer from a profile. It is really hard. The idea that women who look like sluts are scammers, is wrong. They are most likely just honest, stupid sluts.

What's your definition of a slut based on a picture? And how do you know they are stupid sluts?

Any profile can be a scammer. The scammers even use pictures of girls that are not so pretty, and demanding both in age and education. In some cases they even have real women writing the mail. I have experienced getting their phone numbers too. If they answer the phone they ask you to call later.

bla, bla, bla


We are pioneers guys ;-).

I tend to disagree you are one. More of a guy in search of scammers which has been done many, many times.

Good luck, you are going to need it.

[JR]

Out of curiosity, how do you know?

He sent them money))))

[Lidia51]

I see that last post was long time ago, but wanted to say something about photos. I sent good photos of myself to agency (EM), professional enough, with make-up and nice light. No photoshop! But when I saw photos accepted my daughter and I noticed that they blurred all my wrinkles!? I am not a 20 years old and I wanted wrinkles to be seen. But it wasn't depending on me.

[Eduard]

I see that last post was long time ago, but wanted to say something about photos. I sent good photos of myself to agency (EM), professional enough, with make-up and nice light. No photoshop! But when I saw photos accepted my daughter and I noticed that they blurred all my wrinkles!? I am not a 20 years old and I wanted wrinkles to be seen. But it wasn't depending on me.

did you contact EM about that, and what was their response?

[JR]

Why not?
 
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[ECOCKS]

Why not?
 
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