Riff Raff & the RW

[Rvrwind]

Okay Guys. Now that it has been shown on telivision here I feel that I can relate this story to you all. I have known about it for several months but was asked not to relate it at the time due to confidentiality reasons. As it has now hit the airwaves here, I know longer believe that issue can stop me from posting this any longer.

I was involved in this at an early stage by request of the main person involved. Being a member of the same message board I am & knowing I live here & have some connections he felt I could help him out. I will say right up front that untill I heard what his crime was I was quite willing to do what I could, but after talking to him, the police & the agrieved parties it is my humble opinion that a few years in a Russian prison will teach him a lesson he so much deserves & hopefully others will not be stupid or ignorant enough to try the same thing.

This also illistrates a point I was trying to make in another thread. That you all should not think that everybody on these boards is lily white & has nothing but the best intentions.

Anyway to the story. I'm not going to relate all the details just allude to what this slimeball did & that should give you an idea why many women are jaded & many women don't want you to have their personal info (that you feel you are entitled to) so readily.

This guy (whose name I'll not mention because I know some of you know him) would contact ladies in Russia, write to them & get their pesonal contact info. He would write in generalities & to many. He then would hop on aplane & come to Moscow & show up on their doorstep, one at a time mind you, all the while visiting an internet cafe to keep the others on hold. He would tell the woman he just had to  come, he couldn't go another day without her, blah, blah, blah.

The womm being totally flattered fell for it virtually every time & invited him into her home. I should also mention that he took great care to make sure the lady had her own apartment & was working & lived alone or with one child that was either in school all day or away with babushka or whatever, but was not underfoot to hinder his plans. You must realize by now that this is a planned & premeditated event.

He would flatter her & suggest they live together to get to know each other & if things worked out they could get married & he would bring her to the US. Forgot to mention he is an American. The ladies invariably fell for his rhetoric & actually made it easy for him, to their dismay.

Anyway while she was at work all day & the kid if there was one was gone he would start making arrangements with the locals to sell everything or at least whatever he could out of her apartment. He would explain to them that he & her were broke up, she had moved out & he wanted no memories of here left in his apartment. He would set a date for them to view the 'merchandise' & another date for them to come get it which would be a day or two before he was to move to a new flat.

With everything in motion he waited for the appointed date & after she left for work people would start showing up to pick up the 'merchandize'. He would sell everything, from furniture to clothing, jewelry & toiletries. She would come home & her apartment would be cleaned out & he would be gone. Actually he went only as far as his next mark & her apartment. He managed to live in Russia for months on this scheme & as best as the authorities can figure he has ripped off around 7-11 women in this mannner.

He of course is not admitting to any more than nessessary. Now he will be doing time in a Russian prison & as soon as he is released he will be deported to the US.

I relate this story only to show you that just because a guy is on a message board, he is still anonymous & you have no idea who you are really dealing with. It also should illistrate why a woman should never give her personal contact info. I can understand an email address, that still gives them some security, but to give out address & telephone # is in my opinion a very foolish move, especially after I go through something like this.

I met a couple of the ladies that he ripped off. Their attitude towards foriegners, especially Americans has really been damaged & you can bet they will never trust another AM again & therin lies the result of the damage that just one jerk can do.

So before you get pissed about not getting a ladies phone # & address, maybe think about the conciquences of your request. Sure maybe you are one of the good guys, but then they thought he was too. In fact, so did I, until I met him, face to face.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[TigerPaws]

Rvrwind,
 
 Interesting story and while I believe you I find it difficult to understand how someone could make any real money off such a scam? I mean he could not be getting all that much from the contents of the apartment?

[Rvrwind]

Tiger, these were not the average RW he was conning, they owned their own apartments, a couple had cars & a lot of expensive jewelry. All of them had good jobs making better than average coin. They had to, they lived in Moscow. I don't believe he got extremely rich at it, but he did allude to the fact that he made a decent living out of it & had he not been trapped by the sister of one of the ladies he burned, I am pretty confident he would have continued. The cops figure he made a dang good livin' out of it, better than he would have workin' here for a livin'. Not to mention living off them for free while he implemented his scam.

My personal opinion is it was just his way of paying for his trips to Russia without having to dig into his own pocket. He virtually lived here for free for months on end & got all the fringe benifits as well. To him it was probably worth it, but you'd have to ask him that it a few years once he is no longer a guest of the state, if he lives that long.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[TigerPaws]

Thank you for the reply, I still do not see how it could have ben worth it, but what the Hell he got what was coming to him, hopefully he will think while he rots away.

[Oosik]

Is there a news article that you could link to?

[Rvrwind]

Is there a news article that you could link to?

Not to my knowledge.

So far it has only been shown on Television on a news type show similar to 20/20 back home. His name was changed & his identity kept hidden. Should any of that be released I will make it public but so far I am told I cannot & better not release his identity to anyone.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[jb]

Richard,

That may be the most incredible story I've ever read.

Is there a possibility I might know who this miscreant is?  This is the only board I read these days and I was severed from the RWG about a year ago.

But still,,, it sure makes me curious.

[Bruce]

Wow - I could not imagine that kind of garbage going on by an American, but live and learn.  Darn, its going to take alot of good deeds by guys from the USA to make up for that guys stupidity.  Thanks for the information and keep up the good work .

[Rvrwind]

The thing that most guys are not realizing here is that it is not just the women he screwed over that are affected by this. Now that the story has aired on television it will literally affect millions. This show is very well regarded here & very popular.

Every woman who watched it, from this point on is going to be very wary when dealing with foreign men, especially those who want addresses & phone numbers. If you thought getting that info before was tough, well I'm here to tell you it is about to get a whole lot tougher.

I know the impact this show has on the people here & I have a good idea of how many people men & women watch it. My wife & I were interviewed for this show over a year ago, the show was actually aired twice. I still to this day have people walk up to me on the street or talk to me on the bus & in stores. "Your the Canadzki Cowboy, I see you TV, Da!!!" I am pretty well known around these parts due to that show. Many people recognize me immediatly & the show hasn't aired in 6 months.

All I'm saying is look at the big picture because the way things were is about to change & unfortunately not for the better. Its a damn shame what one ignorant fool can do to screw up everything for everybody else.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[philb]

I am aware of another guy who had a similar modus operandi.  He used to post on the St. John's list a while back.  He was an older American guy (more than 60).  While he didn't sell their belongings he would live with them for a while and basically freeload his way around Ukraine.  He had some sort of "disability" and thus had some minimal income.

The reason I am aware of him is that I met one of his victims in passing a while back in Eastern Ukraine.  He was a real slime ball,

[START2]

I don't quite understand why the hush hush on this guys name. What's the reason of keeping it so private. His name and character should rightfully be destroyed.

[philb]

Richard and I are probably talking about completely different people.  For my part all I need to say is "Ed".  That would be more than enough to search the archives and find out what you needed to know.

[ronin308]

start2 one evil doesn't beget another.  Based on Rvr's original post he was taken into confidence by this person and to violate that wouldn't really be that ethical.

Besides the purpose of the post isn't to reveal this person to everyone as much as show how one man's actions can spoil it for the rest of us.

 

[Albert]

Most incredible part was that he could sell items to locals and that no such locals would ever tell the woman about the sales.  They knew about this apparently days in advance of the actual movement of mechandise, yet no one told her??????

[Elen]

If you are about yesterday show at NTV then the producer of that show met with antidate girls ( funny guy BTW )and is going to stay in contact for to have a sourse of information for future shows

PS I am about guy whose name is Robert(?) Andersen - (not sure though about right spelling) - or at least one of his names because he had no documets with him and refused for long time to say even what country he was from)
 http://www.kp.ru/daily/23587.3/44738/

And who are you about?
Just curious

[Elen]

Most incredible part was that he could sell items to locals and that no such locals would ever tell the woman about the sales.  They knew about this apparently days in advance of the actual movement of mechandise, yet no one told her??????

Most incredible part is most probably just an "emotinal addition" of "jurnalists" to real story

[Rvrwind]

Good link Elen. I read that & am totally amazed at what seems to be a number of guys with not so good intentions, very disapointing to say the least.

I didn't actually see the show last evening, it was related to me by a friend as the wife & I were out at the time it aired. I wrongly assumed it was the fellow I knew about, mostly because I find it hard to believe that more than one guy was pulling this crap on innocent women.

Phil also mentions one in his post, this is scary stuff.

To me this is just incredible to learn that these lying jerks are doing this stuff & for the most part getting away with it. Such behavoir is sickening & makes me want to puke to put it bluntly. Elen... I now understand the need for your anti date forum & have much more respect for what you are trying to accomplish. I hope it has a profound effect on the yahoos that are nothing more than lowlifes in my opinion. I only ask that you & the ladies do not lump us all in the same basket as we are not all bad but obviously there are many who are, & for that I am sorry.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[START2]

[user=307]ronin308[/user] wrote:

start2 one evil doesn't beget another.  Based on Rvr's original post he was taken into confidence by this person and to violate that wouldn't really be that ethical.

Besides the purpose of the post isn't to reveal this person to everyone as much as show how one man's actions can spoil it for the rest of us.

 

Ron,

I guess you're right. It's better to protect his identity so as no to hurt his self esteem. I aplogize for such an insensitive comment. I actually did understand Richard.

[TigerPaws]

Elen,

 Could you please provide a link to your anti date forum, I believe it would be interesting to real through.

[Elen]

http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?act=idx - main page
http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showforum=53 - English language section
http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showtopic=2155&hl= - that topic about that guy Girls wrote about him at antidate before he was arrested

Ps there is no my personal merit in antidate existance absolutely  I'm only "a reader" - just russian woman who to her luck stumbled at such useful board
All thanks to Kvina, Pallete, Lelechka and others girls

[wxman]

There will truly be no justice for these women who lost everything. Sure this scum will serve some prison time, head back to America, and continue to live his life, while these women will have to work for many years to regain what they lost, if that is possible. At least he will face some prison justice, and will become an American boy toy for a few years.

[Bruno]

At least he will face some prison justice, and will become an American boy toy for a few years.

Don't worry, prison in Russia are not like in America.... in Russia, they have real prison and not these holiday camp with all the luxe needed...

He go never forget Russian jail... and not sure that he will go out alive :cool:

 

[andrewfi]

Wow, away for a few days and a story like this...

Bad apples in every barrel, but I surely hope that I offered him no help!

[wxman]

At least he will face some prison justice, and will become an American boy toy for a few years.

Don't worry, prison in Russia are not like in America.... in Russia, they have real prison and not these holiday camp with all the luxe needed...

He go never forget Russian jail... and not sure that he will go out alive :cool:

 
[/quote]What I meant as being an "American boy toy" is that he will be bending over and picking up the soap. In other words, prison rape will happen quite often to him as he will become a toy for the russian inmates.