Its mostly about finding a wealthy westerner, isn't it? :)

[Andreas]

I'm one of those guys who spend most of my time in the office and the rest of the day in the gym lifting weights. This means that spending my weekends getting drunk and chasing after retarded chubby teens in a night club is out of the question. So how does a young guy meet girls, then?

Well, I started looking around on the internet and found all sorts of good things being written about Russiand and Ukranian girls. Family oriented, slim etc.
So I thought I would find a Russian dating site (singles.ru) and write Russian girls living in my own country (students, au pairs etc.).

I told that I was in my late 20s, that I wanted to meet the right girl and get married soon, and that I wanted to have children.
I told them that I don't drink alcohol, that I'm family oriented and conservative and so on.
All of these things happen to be true, but out of the 50 or so girls I contacted the results were abysmal.
Write the same thing to Russian girls who are still in Russia and the personal messages keep flooding in.

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

I also remember watching a British documentary about one of these marriage agencies where the reporter asked the woman running the firm if the economy of Russia and Ukraine was a major reason for the girls to search for a western man.
She replied that it wasn't, and that the economy in countries such as Latvia and Estonia had actually become so good that they didn't even have any offices there anymore. Then she bit her tongue as she realized what she had just admitted.

[Jooky]

The problem is...

Russian women in your own country are on a Russian dating site because they want to meet other Russians, not locals like you.

Russian women in Russia on singles.ru are also looking to meet other Russians, but when a foreigner contacts them it's unusual and interesting, so they are more likely to respond.

But yeah, a lot of women that are looking specifically to meet foreigners primarily want to get the hell out of Russia. Some will do so at any cost. Most want to get the hell out of Russia and find the man of dreams.

[Lily]

The problem is...

Russian women in your own country are on a Russian dating site because they want to meet other Russians, not locals like you.

Russian women in Russia on singles.ru are also looking to meet other Russians, but when a foreigner contacts them it's unusual and interesting, so they are more likely to respond.

But yeah, a lot of women that are looking specifically to meet foreigners primarily want to get the hell out of Russia. Some will do so at any cost. Most want to get the hell out of Russia and find the man of dreams.

Russian women in the West would be IMHO on the normal western dating sites like match, plentyoffish, lavalife. Why looking for a Russian guy when they can find a number of good Western guys here?

I'm one of those guys who spend most of my time in the office and the rest of the day in the gym lifting weights. This means that spending my weekends getting drunk and chasing after retarded chubby teens in a night club is out of the question. So how does a young guy meet girls, then?

Well, I started looking around on the internet and found all sorts of good things being written about Russiand and Ukranian girls. Family oriented, slim etc.
So I thought I would find a Russian dating site (singles.ru) and write Russian girls living in my own country (students, au pairs etc.).

I told that I was in my late 20s, that I wanted to meet the right girl and get married soon, and that I wanted to have children.
I told them that I don't drink alcohol, that I'm family oriented and conservative and so on.
All of these things happen to be true, but out of the 50 or so girls I contacted the results were abysmal.
Write the same thing to Russian girls who are still in Russia and the personal messages keep flooding in.

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

I also remember watching a British documentary about one of these marriage agencies where the reporter asked the woman running the firm if the economy of Russia and Ukraine was a major reason for the girls to search for a western man.
She replied that it wasn't, and that the economy in countries such as Latvia and Estonia had actually become so good that they didn't even have any offices there anymore. Then she bit her tongue as she realized what she had just admitted.

Andreas, it looks like you had bad luck with those local Russian girls. In case you want a Russian girl here, you may, however, try to register in Personals section of a local Russian community site, depending on where you live. Many Russian communities abroad have their websites, where also a Personals section should be available.

Well, some girls may indeed want just to get out of the FSU countries, cannot deny this. If you deal with those who are already here and have a status, you probably eliminate green card girls.

Also, flood of messages from Russia may also be sent not just by girls, don't forget this.

[Chicagoguy]

I am older so naturally I dated older women. And almost all those I was with were happy with Russia. What they didn't like was the Russian man. That, plus the demographics are not favorable.

And now I have a younger daughter in law in Moscow and I find out she is not so happy with the Russian men. And no, she does not want to come to America.

Maybe address this to the Russian women here.

[Boethius]

It is addressed to RW, hence, why the question appear in the "Questions to Russian Ladies" subforum.

[ECOCKS]

Sorry, I also didn't notice it was in the RW questions section.

Anyway, get your game on if you want to play in this league. Unlike dating AW, the prize here is significantly more challenging to obtain.

You can find good women if you look right and if you are truly serious.

Best of luck.

[Chicagoguy]

Sorry also.

[Gator]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

This is not the same as the title of your thread:  Its mostly about finding a wealthy westerner, isn't it?

Yes, some RW in Russia wish to leave Russia for the West.  Why?  Reasons I heard in no particular order were:  economic opportunity, unhappy with RM,  culture more supportive of family (laws, mentality of men), friendlier people, warmer climate, sense of adventure, etc.

A wealthy man above all else?  Some RW seek this, but most men would not want one of these golddiggers, spoiled and discarded by wealthy RM before you.  Most RW simply want stability, especially to feel confident that you will take care of them while they adjust to a strange land.  To meet this minimum criterion, they do not need to see your balance sheet.    No, RW just need to know that 1) you have a stable job and 2) you are not a "greedy" man  (important and misunderstood concept).

Above all else you will find that young RW in Russia are the same as the young native women in your country - they want to love and to be loved. However, I sense is that many RW will settle for less with the hope that love somehow blossoms.   This possibly opens a large can of worms because I have the impression that not a small number of the RW looking to the West have some psychological issues.  That's all I will say about this touchy issue.  Maybe now some RW will jump in and abuse me.

So if you are sincere about marriage, contact the RW in Russia, the UW in Ukraine etc.  I believe you will find what you want.  Know your woman.

[GQBlues]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

To some degree it is....however, you can also add the fact the dating rules will change a lot once she gets to the other side.  She'll learn the proper meaning to the term suitable men.

[Nat]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

No, they place their profiles on international dating sites because they want to invite you to live in Ukraine or Russia and expect you to do that  

Seriously speaking, there can be another explanation of what you've experienced with "local Russians"/"Russian Russians".
Local Russians, who are interested in Norwegian men, have a LOT of men like you around. So they screen them very carefully and write only to those ones, who has interested them a lot from the very beginning.
Russian Russians, who are not in Norway yet, have no Norwegian guys around them, so they don't have much choice. That's why they are not so picky at first and are ready to respond to anybody decent. Then they'll see if they like you or not, if you have something to catch their interest or not If yes, you'll continue your communication, and if not, they'll stop communicating later.

[BC]

Considering that money troubles is one of the primary marital killers, avoiding it altogether by seeking someone with plenty of it might not be such a bad deal after all.

OTOH a well-off western man might just be a scrooge in disguise.. after all he probably didn't acquire wealth by throwing out of his car windows.

[Ade]

No, they place their profiles on international dating sites because they want to invite you to live in Ukraine or Russia and expect you to do that  

Seriously speaking, there can be another explanation of what you've experienced with "local Russians"/"Russian Russians".
Local Russians, who are interested in Norwegian men, have a LOT of men like you around. So they screen them very carefully and write only to those ones, who has interested them a lot from the very beginning.
Russian Russians, who are not in Norway yet, have no Norwegian guys around them, so they don't have much choice. That's why they are not so picky at first and are ready to respond to anybody decent. Then they'll see if they like you or not, if you have something to catch their interest or not If yes, you'll continue your communication, and if not, they'll stop communicating later.

Exactly. And, to be frank, knowing a little about Andreas, I can say that IMO he's no catch and there are far better options available to women already here.

[Gator]

Exactly. And, to be frank, knowing a little about Andreas, I can say that IMO he's no catch and there are far better options available to women already here.

Ouch!

Yet I had already picked up the clue in his comment about "retarded chubby teens."

What is so special about the locally available RW?  Many are not prizes.  When I divorced my Moscow woman, a couple of divorced RW (30s and 40s) in the local social circle called me and chatted.  They had men friends, yet nothing solid.   There is a reason that they are divorced.   Maybe the younger local RW are different, especially those who came over on student visas.  I am impressed by the latter based on the few I met with their American husbands. 

Should Andreas give Russian Russians a try?  Is there no hope?  He is young and some men take a long time to mature.

[Ade]

Ouch!

Yet I had already picked up the clue in his comment about "retarded chubby teens."

What is so special about the locally available RW?  Many are not prizes.  When I divorced my Moscow woman, a couple of divorced RW (30s and 40s) in the local social circle called me and chatted.  They had men friends, yet nothing solid.   There is a reason that they are divorced.   Maybe the younger local RW are different, especially those who came over on student visas.  I am impressed by the latter based on the few I met with their American husbands.  

Should Andreas give Russian Russians a try?  Is there no hope?  He is young and some men take a long time to mature.

There are a lot of RW in Norway that came here as skilled workers, many more than those that came to marry Norwegians.

Andreas' "retarded chubby teens" do exist but there are vastly more tall athletic blonds here. Unfortunately for Andreas, his type is not that attractive to the average attractive and emancipated Norwegian woman; he's is an egotist that wants a BillyB type "traditional" relationship, he'd also be considered a right wing racist here, and has the look of a 130Kg (the last I read) power lifter (yeah, you know, squat, square, and lots of muscle but still looks way overweight). He rationalises his failure to find a woman by any means he can, that is to say he insults, denigrates and basically makes things up rather than looking to himself and seeing what the real reasons are. Go figure.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that he's also a hypocrite; in spite of his racist stance and derogatory rhetoric, he was bonking a Filipino (as far as I remember) that he was using for sex but had no intention of forming any sort of relationship with while looking for someone a little more white and "traditional".

[Lily]

Seriously Jaded,

Your last message leaves me with less than good feeling.
 :rulez:
Could I ask you to show more kindness to Andreas please? Thank you.

[Ade]

Seriously Jaded,

Your last message leaves me with less than good feeling.
 :rulez:
Could I ask you to show more kindness to Andreas please? Thank you.

Kindness? Seriously Lily, my opinions are based entirely on posts made by Andreas himself, here and over on RUA.

If Andreas wants to bemoan the lack of suitable women here in Norway, that's his right, but I'm just pointing out that there are very good reasons why Norwegian women just aren't interested in him and those reasons are probably very much the same for the RW here. I for one don't think men like him deserve any softening of the truth.

[Gator]

SJ,

Personally, I wouldn't piss off a 130kg weightlifter.   

Do you have a peep hole on your front door?

The part that more RW came to Norway to work rather than marry is interesting.

[ECOCKS]

SJ,

Personally, I wouldn't piss off a 130kg weightlifter.   

Do you have a peep hole on your front door?

The part that more RW came to Norway to work rather than marry is interesting.

My sense is that this is also true in Greece and Italy as well.

[Lily]

I don't have any immigration statistics for Europe, but this is also interesting if this is true.

Norway and Sweden are geographically close to Russia. Therefore, if they have a good immigration laws, these countries may indeed attract some Russian women who may come there for work or studies. Somehow a number of ladies tend to believe that the closer the foreign country is to Russia, the less they are afraid to immigrate

At the same time, I agree that in case a WM looks for a Russian woman in his own place, he most likely will not be able to upgrade in terms of quality of woman, and will have to compete for her with the local guys.

The better advice here would be, improve yourself, be the most attractive and interesting prospect as you can be.

[Gylden]

There are a lot of RW in Norway that came here as skilled workers, many more than those that came to marry Norwegians.

This is an interesting comment and I suppose it is based on supposition and not facts. If you have any statistics to back this up, could you post a link to them?

Just to add another perspective from Norway.

Of the Russian women whom I know of here in Norway only one of them came here as a professional and she was married before she came. The other RW whom I know of here, which are single (after divorcing their Norwegian husbands and after three to four years) IMO are "high risk" candidates for a serious relationship.

[Ade]

This is an interesting comment and I suppose it is based on supposition and not facts. If you have any statistics to back this up, could you post a link to them?

Just to add another perspective from Norway.

Of the Russian women whom I know of here in Norway only one of them came here as a professional and she was married before she came. The other RW whom I know of here, which are single (after divorcing their Norwegian husbands and after three to four years) IMO are "high risk" candidates for a serious relationship.

No official statistics but I wouldn't be surprised if something is published at SSB somewhere; http://www.ssb.no/en/

In our experience, and this is from friends of my wife and the Russian Norwegian forum she reads, most are here through work and study. Of her recent friends and acquaintances, only one is here (or will be here again soon on a fiancée visa) through a relationship to a local, the others are all here to do with work including a Russian couple, and a RW and Spanish husband. Maybe my town is a little different than the average though as we have many Russians due to local industry and their links with Russia.

My wife tried to find a poll on her Russian Norwegian forum that she saw that asked why people came to Norway but it's a very active site with over 35,000 users (dom.no) so it's not so easy to find anything there. At best she thinks it's a 50/50 split between RW marrying in to Norway and coming for other reasons.


Edit I was mistaken, there's also a new acquaintance that's married to a Norwegian. I guess all told it's a 50/50 split from the people we know.

[Ade]

SJ,

Personally, I wouldn't piss off a 130kg weightlifter.   

Do you have a peep hole on your front door?

Size has never intimidated me. I regularly got into scuffles as a teenager with guys literally twice my size and several years my senior and it's the reason my nose is the shape it is.

[Vinnvinny]

SJ,

Personally, I wouldn't piss off a 130kg weightlifter.   

Do you have a peep hole on your front door?

The part that more RW came to Norway to work rather than marry is interesting.

SJ is quite safe I believe. Andreas doesnt have the time what with the office and gym and all that.

[Shadow]

If I understand SJ right, his advice for Andreas is lose the weights, lose weight, spend less time in the office and more enjoying life.

[Andreas]

Exactly. And, to be frank, knowing a little about Andreas, I can say that IMO he's no catch and there are far better options available to women already here.

Oh, really *snip*tard?
I'd say I have some good selling points:

1) At 28 years old I'm already a licensed lawyer and out of the 30 or so lawyers in our firm, I'm currently the firms second highest earner.  My boss have told me he expects to make me a partner in our law firm next year. My salary reflects this. I'd say this makes me rather successful, which is something women generally look for in a man.

2) I work out six days a week, and since the last time we spoke I've gone from powerlifting to strongman and currently have wash board abs. This means that getting laid is not a problem; finding a woman that's worth keeping for a long term deal is.

3) I'm serious about settling down with only one woman and start a family.

That fact that you're an intolerant bastard who have zero respect for anyone with any other political views than yourself (which seems to be your main problem with me) just shows that YOU are a horrible catch!