Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[Gator]

 Same CEO spouting the SOS.  

We have beaten this horse for 12 pages now.      Yet, I am still learning.

There are so many areas where HRB can be improved.   This is not rocket science.  So why hasn't CEO made these improvements in the past 4 years?

Shadow indicated that HRB's male clients are mostly "trash."  Evidently so, and trash love the soft porn, the titillating greeters, the scantily clad girl "live" on a webcam, and the fantasy that a young sweetie would marry him and be his cook, maid and sex slave.  To rid the site of such would drive away his typical client.

I still don't know why CEO came here thinking he could make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  And why did people like me give him the benefit of the doubt?  I have seen enough.  Bye.

Jooky, please don't let up.  However, I have a feeling that all the supporters and devil's advocates will disappear or try to divert the discussion.

[tim 360]

You just gotta laugh at the whole thing:


http://www.russianwomenforums.com/messages.cfm?threadid=BD6B6049-F207-AE0E-0CEFBA15B3DDF40F

http://www.russianwomenforums.com/messages.cfm?threadid=BD6BD48F-F207-AE0E-01DFA859A00FA950   

http://www.russianwomenforums.com/messages.cfm?threadid=BD92CFFD-F207-AE0E-064AC243DA1A197C


HRB's been dirty for years
                       it appears. :evil:

[facetrock]

Gator. I remember HRB from years ago. In my opinion the only thing they've done in the last five years is make it easier to spend money faster on their site.

 I got booted off the site. They never did explain exactly why. Whats funny is the two sex talking gals Ladypassion and Sweetsecret are still there. But I'm sure they make the site a lot more money than I would ever spend there.

[Faux Pas]

There are so many areas where HRB can be improved.   This is not rocket science.  So why hasn't CEO made these improvements in the past 4 years?

I would expect there is a higher profit margin with sex chat girls than with the side business of matchmaking. My contention is, why not keep it separate at least from the user end?

I still don't know why CEO came here thinking he could make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  And why did people like me give him the benefit of the doubt?  I have seen enough.  Bye.

The timing of it all I find very suspicious but, CEO did make a case. Not a very sincere one when look at the history but a case none the less

Jooky, please don't let up.  However, I have a feeling that all the supporters and devil's advocates will disappear or try to divert the discussion.

I agree. Excellent job on Jooky's part. The attempted diversion is already well documented

[TomT]

One thing that would be helpful.  Can TomT post his audit plan and audit procedures he performed.  He does not need to post his findings.  Just what he did. 

I believe that your questions have already been covered in my thread about our Florida trip on the other forum. I used the word "audit" twice in said thread. In one case, it was enclosed in single quotation marks to denote apologetic usage. In the second case, it was used to refer to a financial audit, not anything in which I was involved. At no point did I ever present myself as a qualified auditor and an argument built on some other presumption will be quite fallacious, indeed.




 

[Manny]

Not to worry, in the absence of hard evidence, one can simply speculate, project and lie.

I am seeing a lot of this on this topic here. It seems the perpetrators mostly go unchallenged by the membership.

It pains me to drag it up, but Jooky has a history of this behaviour. He and his sidekicks departure from RUA a couple of years ago was under a similar cloud of speculation and lies. Its all still there if you search "Cisco" in topic subject. Jooky is on his soapbox. Whilst he does make some points worthy of good discussion, he has now gotten so excited that he is quoting himself, making some stuff up to fill in the gaps, and simply ignoring the inconvenient stuff that doesn't support his theories. His position can be simplified as this: "HRB are breaking no laws, I don't like them, I think women can be met cheaper elsewhere." The rest is fluff, propaganda and and gap filling that one would expect to see in an anti-capitalist student union rally circa 1986.

Gator and BC have mostly talked sense; although Gator became easily led and fell of the wagon of reason and logic the last few posts.

Tim has accused me of "recommending" this site, yet when challenged, he quotes some random text that was anything but, and refused to apologise. He then accused CEO of "trolling for investors at RUA" and I am aware of no such event ever happening. More made up stuff. No links, no quotes, no validation.

Various people have accused Tom of various things; mostly complete fabrication by those who have not actually took the trouble to read. Tom chooses his words carefully. Why put yours in his mouth? Go read his findings at RUA and CEO's comments about that trip -- its all there. Why speculate when its in black and white?

Faux Pas started off twisting some words, playing one-upmanship and "I must have the last word" as usual, then went off on a rant about whores and then just started trolling; he just basically showed himself up in rather an embarrassing fashion. He has had the good sense to keep hush the last couple of pages. Lets hope that continues. [Edit -- it seems not hehe]

Very few people are actually reading what is written. Many are seizing on the fabrications of others and presenting that information, second hand, as facts. Because somebody wrote it, doesn't means its true. I would suggest to those debating here to re-read the topic, noting what has actually been said by various parties. Look at the actual words posted and not your (or someone else's) interpretation of them.

Through all the mudslinging, several facts remain:

• HRB have verified marriages. Many of them.
• HRB validate that the featured women exist.
• The video feature allows you to validate the women actually exist.
• No agency can guarantee the motivation of their members. That's your job.
• The CEO is not shy of forum participation (can you say the same of Aweb and others?)
• The CEO has admitted the business model is not perfect, and has plans to improve it.
• It is not possible to have a "perfect" business model, when that model involves a country so corrupt and poor as Ukraine. "Not bad" is the best you are ever likely to see.
• The video feature, whilst not state of the art now, was cutting edge six or seven years ago when first introduced.

Its easy for a bunch of blokes to make some fake accounts and harp about a handful of women (from double digit thousands) homing in on them. Anyone can do that. That smacks of tabloid sensationalism. The real facts might be ascertained by putting up a proper profile, spending a little bit of cash, contacting some age appropriate women who seem genuine, and seeing how that goes. In the event of a genuine problem, call their office in Florida, complain, and see how that complaint is handled. Report back on the customer service. Report back on how the staff were with you on the phone. Don't they have "hostesses" there? Aren't they kinda like forum moderators? You can report iffy stuff to them live? Did anyone who made a fake profile bother to do that? How did that work out? Or was it too easy to rush back here with a screenshot or two and start babbling about "Hottie26" where Jooky couldn't quite make out a nipple?

Really, are we thirteen years old? Or are we adults who understand the society we delve in for women?

[GQBlues]

TomT-

FWIW, I'm not interested as to whether or not there's women with jiggling breasts on HRB...but rather something with a little more substance, no pun intended.

If the exercises professed here was true, folks signing up for membership then being bombarded/spammed by invitations to chat, communicate, etc....how do all of these fall into compliance with IMBRA? From an outsider's POV, it almost seem as though a man signs in, then he gets crammed with invitations to chat, communicate, etc...seemingly as though IMBRA's protocol is altogether shunned. If this is true, then is HRB responsible for non-compliance?

Mind expanding on this if you know...

[Jooky]

handful of women (from double digit thousands) homing in on them

450 women contacting a single man over the course of 3 days is not 'a handful'.

Not sure why you bring up the Cisco situation. That can be summed up as follows:

Don created the Cisco account. You had control of it when we handed over the board.

The Cisco account posted several times on RUA, in support of one of your ideas, a review in support of your book and then in an argument discussing Russian personal sites that I was part of.

I checked the IPs used to post with the Cisco account. These were Don's, an AOL IP from England (which I can only assume was you) and and another IP in the States.

I suspected you were posting as Cisco and I posted my suspicions. You denied it.

On the phone you demanded I post an apology and first told me that the Cisco account was being used by some random guy who for some reason was unable to create a proper account of his own. Because he could not make an account you gave him the Cisco login.

However, as you grew upset with me on the phone you slipped up.

You admitted that Cisco was not some random guy, but your book editor.

I told you I would not apologize as I see your 'book editor' as an agent representing you. I posted that accepted that Cisco was not you and I posted regarding our conversation. I was later informed that my final words on this subject were removed. Nice cover up.

To conclude:

1) You were caught in a blatant lie. From that point on I don't trust a single word you say.

2) Whether the poster behind Cisco was you or your book editor, the use of this account to post in your favor was disingenuous.

3) The book editor posting a positive review of your book, pretending to be unconnected to the product is an insult to your posters.

At that point I quit posting on the RUA. Not sure why you wanted to dredge that up now. It doesn't help your credibility. You can't have Brass censor me here.

You're right I left under a cloud of speculation and lies.

The speculation came from me.

The lies came from you.

PS: Does anyone here have a copy of Manny's book. It'd be interesting to know who this mysterious editor is.

[tim 360]

Tim has accused me of "recommending" this site, yet when challenged, he quotes some (#1) random text that was anything but, and refused to apologise. He then (2) accused CEO  of "trolling for investors at RUA" and I am aware of no such event ever happening. More made up (#3) stuff No links, no quotes, no validation.

 

Have a little cheese with your whine Manny.  

1.  Your words page one.  Highlighted in bold.  You've been whitewashing HRB all along.  Anyone who can read can see you are HRB's cheerleader.  Your tacit defacto recommendation for HRB is scattered all over this thread.  Boringly so.  Again any reader can read and draw their own conclusions about HRB and you.

2.  Not me.  Maybe you are all heated up and confused?  Calm down.  Don't need your apology. Kumbuya.

3.  Made up stuff?  I don't have the imagination to make all that HRB schlit up.  Back in 2006-07 same old problems, just read the RWG links.

Would a sane man use HRB to look for a bride...of course not.  You are a good HRB cheerleader though,  keep up the good work. Rah! Rah! Rah!


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[TomT]

TomT-

FWIW, I'm not interested as to whether or not there's women with jiggling breasts on HRB...but rather something with a little more substance, no pun intended.

If the exercises professed here was true, folks signing up for membership then being bombarded/spammed by invitations to chat, communicate, etc....how do all of these fall into compliance with IMBRA? From an outsider's POV, it almost seem as though a man signs in, then he gets crammed with invitations to chat, communicate, etc...seemingly as though IMBRA's protocol is altogether shunned. If this is true, then is HRB responsible for non-compliance?

Mind expanding on this if you know...

As long as contact information is not exchanged, there are no IMBRA issues. Clients can chat with as many spammers as their stupidity and their pocketbook will allow. Safeguards are in place to prevent the exchange of said information and, if clients use extraordinary means to circumvent them, it's not the IMB's liability.

[GQBlues]

OK..thx TomT.

[Faux Pas]

Wow Manny you said a lot and put everyone in their place didn't you?  Your whining, ad hominem attacks and continued shilling is getting rather tiring and now your credibility appears in the deficit from an accounting standpoint.

Manny you should just stop and go away. It would appear to me you have been effectively dismissed

[Admin]

Hey guys,

The cross-board stuff proves nothing. The only relevance in any of the cross-board materials was simply to show a pattern - NOT to dredge up ancient history and all the ill will that went along with that.

Candidly, I see a LOT of guys just 'talking past each other' in this topic. To a large extent, it is related to the fact that we see what it is we WANT to see.

In the not-so-distant past there were guys who wanted to see my actions here at RWD in a particular 'light' and so they placed all my actions into that context - in the process, drawing quite a number of fallacious conclusions. Some of those are known to a great many of you - and some of those may be found at the old RWG forum linked upthread.

The point being - it is a natural human condition to evaluate a situation in the context of those things that YOU individually have declared as important to you, and then find the elements of that situation to support your beliefs.

It is rare, indeed, to find someone with a truly open mind on most any topic.

So a couple of things:

* Please leave the old 'issues' from RWG and or RUA and or anywhere else out of THIS topic. If there is relevant material posted elsewhere (as in - directly relevant to THIS topic at RWD and directly supportive in some way), that is OK - but the other stuff just fosters a huge amount of ill will unnecessarily.

* I would like it if everyone would stop the personalizing and focus on the FACTS.

All for now.

- Dan

[tim 360]

It pains me to drag it up, but Jooky has a history of this behaviour. He and his sidekicks departure from RUA a couple of years ago was under a similar cloud of speculation and lies. Its all still there if you search "Cisco" in topic subject. Jooky is on his soapbox. Whilst he does make some points worthy of good discussion, he has now gotten so excited that he is quoting himself, making some stuff up to fill in the gaps, and simply ignoring the inconvenient stuff that doesn't support his theories. His position can be simplified as this: "HRB are breaking no laws, I don't like them, I think women can be met cheaper elsewhere." The rest is fluff, propaganda and and gap filling that one would expect to see in an anti-capitalist student union rally circa 1986.


Faux Pas started off twisting some words, playing one-upmanship and "I must have the last word" as usual, then went off on a rant about whores and then just started trolling; he just basically showed himself up in rather an embarrassing fashion. He has had the good sense to keep hush the last couple of pages. Lets hope that continues. [Edit -- it seems not hehe]

...and Manny it is really bad form for you to personally denigerate Jooky or Faux Pas just because they may not agree with your exalted opinion.  They can have their opinions too.  This is not Manny's little board and you don't run the show here.  Your personal insults to members here should not be tolerated.  Don't care if you don't like Jooky--don't bring that crap here.  I must say you do present a poor public image for your commercial businesses.  You come off as one rude dude.  One would expect better from a commercial member--but maybe not in this business.

I don't know Stu, but maybe you should take a little vacation from the internet and calm down a tad.  Kumbuya.

[Admin]

And just to lighten the mood a tad, I shamelessly stole this post from one of the guys over at PL. It is completely and totally 

Enjoy:

Subject: SPEEDING IN OREGON

GOOD     
 
A Bend, Oregon policeman had a perfect spot to watch for speeders, but wasn't getting many. Then he discovered the problem -- a 12-year-old boy was standing up the road with a hand painted sign, which read 'RADAR TRAP AHEAD.' The officer also found the boy had an accomplice who was down the road with a sign reading 'TIPS' and a bucket full of money. (And we used to just sell lemonade!)
 
 
BETTER   
 
A motorist was mailed a picture of his car speeding through an automated radar post in Pendleton, Oregon . A $40 speeding ticket was included. Being cute, he sent the police department a picture of $40. The police responded with another mailed photo of handcuffs.
 
 
BEST   
 
A young woman was pulled over for speeding. An Oregon State Trooper walked to her car window, flipping open his ticket book. She said, "I bet you are going to sell me a ticket to the State Trooper's Ball." He replied, "Oregon State Troopers don't have balls." There was a moment of silence.  He then closed his book, tipped his hat, got back in his patrol car and left.


PS: Gator - while admittedly a diversion, it should serve principally to get people to crack a smile before reverting back to their flamethrowers.

[GQBlues]

Yeah, damned speedtraps...

http://www.speedtrap.org/

But I don't know Dan, I thought my post #202 was pretty funny.

[TomT]

Wow, Manny! You said a lot and put everyone in their place, didn't you?  Your whining, ad hominem attacks and continued shilling are getting rather tiring and, now, your credibility appears in the debit column, from an accounting standpoint.

Manny, you should just stop and go away. It would appear to me you have been effectively dismissed

Count your blessings. Someone with less patience would have simply ignored you instead of writing a comprehensive answer.

[Rubicon]

I'd like to dredge up something Dan wrote on (what is now) another topic.

He is bang on the money there. Time and time again I see people agonizing over spending a few dollars. Guys used to book my wife for a 30 minute three-way-translated-call and try and take 40 minutes.  Many of the guys who arrive on forums soon become obsessed with free sites. The thought of spending a few bob pains them. A guy told me a while ago that our book was too expensive at $29. Ye gods, $9 of that is postage!    My wife laughed her head off when I told her and said "Another greedy-free one? I won't work for him"

Believe it or not, women are not obsessed with free sites. Most sites are free for women. Most women are concerned with keeping the whack jobs at arms length. That is best done using an agency of some kind. Whack jobs abound in this industry. That isn't a secret to the women y'know. They know that! Women don't want greedy (read cheap-assed) men.

Now look at the HRB model as it is discussed here. We know already that only about 5% of men ever get on a plane. That leaves 95% as wannabes and Keyboard Romeos. These women discussed above vacuum up the 95% and syphon off those who have money to burn to discuss licking chocolate off their popka. Why not? Go on any free site and the professional women are there too. Are those men who enjoy that happy with what they get?

That says HRB are giving most paying clients what they want. That isn't just a theory; correlate it with the low charge-backs they get. Numbers don't lie.

Sensible men can see past all that stuff and go and find the marriage minded women there. Again, the numbers tell us there must be some because many people seem to be married. TomT saw the scrap book he described to be "like a telephone directory".

5% of serious men will do their homework and understand how this stuff works. Many of those will end up married.

Many men will agonize over spending a few dollars. I would be surprised if HRB even wanted those guys as clients. No business wants screamers who cry "scam" after spending $50. Those guys should stay on the free sites dreaming and/or spouting their stuff here. Its cheaper than actually getting on a plane eh guys?

Another group who have actually been on the plane, yet remain perpetually single, will lecture us all about how it "should be done". It didn't work out too well for some of them, but here they are with a four figure post count pecking at their keyboards slamming people who own these sites. Can they do better? Can they develop a better platform? Can they design a scam-free system where every knuckle shuffler hiding in Momma's basement gets himself a size zero supermodel wife? Of course not; or they would. Its easier to try to peck holes in others' business models from behind a keyboard isn't it?

People who run these sites are not running Sunday Schools. They need to pay the hosting bills, the translators, the staff in two (or more) countries, property costs, fund their systems and future development, pay taxes, card processing fees, every level of bureaucracy that is fired at businesses, and then seek a profit on top of that. Anyone who doesn't run a business really doesn't know the half of it.

As I said up thread, if you don't like the business model, use another service provider. There are several models to choose from. Simply because you don't like the business model doesn't make a site a "scam" site. It simply makes it not a site for you.

Manny--
$9.00 for postage??  where are you shipping your book from, Estonia??  I think you might sell more copies of your book if you made it available as an instant internet electronic download.  you could probably sell it for $19.95, $14.95 or even $9.95; sell more copies than you are by shipping it, and make a higher profit for yourself.  a win win situation for those who want to purchase it.

As for me I will wait until it reaches a 99 cent store--you can call me greedy, cheap or whatever, that is just all that I think it is worth since it is more or less a compilation of quotes from your website over at RUA.  in the meantime I can read these forums at any time I wish to and obtain as much information as I want to for free.

guys, let's face the simple facts.  when you go to Elena's Models--or even Mamba, you see realistic age gaps that the women are willing to accept.  for example, a 20 year old girl will usually have an age gap of 5 years.  a 25 year old young woman will have an age gap up to 7 years.  a 30 year old woman might have an age gap up to 10 years.  and a 40 year older or older woman will probably list an acceptable age gap of 15-20 years.  

if you go to a website such as HRB, Anastasia Web or Army of Brides and you see a 20 year old hottie who states she will marry a man up to 50 years of age (and more!!) run don't walk.
don't bother wasting your time, energy or money on these fraudulent sites.  remember the old saying:  time is money!!  the time you waste in your life on frivolous pursuits is priceless--you will never get it back.  this is not cheap, it is simply logical and intelligent.

The American Heritage dictionary, 2nd College edition:

"greedy" 1.  excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing something, especially in quantity.
(agency girls who will take you on never ending expensive shopping sprees, in order to maintain a "relationship")

2.  wanting to eat or drink more than one can reasonably consume; gluttonous.
(agency girls who will take you to the most expensive restaurant in town, and eat and drink like there is no tomorrow, in order to get a kick-back for their agency and themselves)

Manny, is that what your wife is referring to when she calls potential clients "greedy"??

IMO you show your true character and motivations by insulting potential clients.  it must be especially good for business to do it on a national forum!!

[Rubicon]

in this post I am not going to argue with certain people here about the possibility that you might maybe on a cold day in hell be able to marry a woman from HRB, I am going to post two alternatives:

1.  EM, which many men here heartily recommend.

2.  A Mordinson Introduction---  www.mordinson.com/

(make sure you put in the / , otherwise you will be sent to Aweb, those sneaky sob's!!

Mordinson--

flat rate agency--

$2250.00-- meet unlimited women, 7 days in luxury apartment, all interpretation by Michael Mordinson, who obtained english cert. from Cambridge.  transfer to and from airport.  help with grocery shopping, etc.  one month of free letter writing back and forth to unlimited women.

$2500.00--ten days as above.

[TomT]

guys, let's face the simple facts.  when you go to Elena's Models--or even Mamba, you see realistic age gaps that the women are willing to accept.  for example, a 20 year old girl will usually have an age gap of 5 years.  a 25 year old young woman will have an age gap up to 7 years.  a 30 year old woman might have an age gap up to 10 years.  and a 40 year older or older woman will probably list an acceptable age gap of 15-20 years.  

The facts aren't as simple as you present them.

One case in point would be an FSU woman of 45 (for example). She bloody well wouldn't want to marry a 65-year-old because she considers him to be already dead. Nevermind that the male lifespan is twenty years longer in the West; that isn't part of her belief system.

Another example would be a twenty-year-old FSU girl. It may be true that most prefer guys approximately their age, but girls that age are likely to do any damn, crazy thing... even go after someone my age.

When one saws a few legs off the chair, it gets rather tippy.

[Jooky]

As recommended, I had a chat with HRB's customer service regarding my apprehension at all the too young, scantily clad girls contacting me in the middle of the night in Russia.

As expected I received very slow canned responses, assuring me that everything was on the up and up and avoiding my direct questions.

At least the HRB defenders here admit these intros are just spam. HRB assured me that they were not.

The ladies are looking for serious relationships for marriage, before joining the site the ladies come in for a lengthy interview at the local agency, and the ladies must prove their identity and that they have sincere motivation to find love abroad

[Faux Pas]

Count your blessings. Someone with less patience would have simply ignored you instead of writing a comprehensive answer.

There's nothing about Manny's rant I would consider a blessing. Just more of the same tripe I've come to expect from him. If this is the knowledge he brags about possessing, I'm not impressed. His credibility is forever in my mind attached to HRB. He is more than welcome to ignore me. Now that I would consider a blessing.

[BillyB]

I'm sure CEO gained a few customers coming here. I've noticed over the years it always happens when he shows up. If 2 customers sign up spending a couple thousand a piece, it's worth a few minutes of his time here. I remember a poster writing a thread months later after CEO showed up some years ago regretting doing business with the company. He admitted CEO convinced him to try out his company. Year after year there have been lots of customers with regret.

Forget about the morally bankrupt men who are using HRB/RLM. Those men aren't supposed to be their targeted customer base. There are decent guys that signed up there and they did not intentionally pay for an illusion. If HRB/RLM is selling a fantasy as porn sites are, then whatever is happening there now is not an issue but they are advertising match making services, not a fantasy.

The saddest part of all this is not the money men lose but the lost opportunities between sincere men and women. Sincere people that want to find someone special in their life and waste their time at HRB/RLM. While the agency's video chat girls aggressively pursue all the attention, the girls who can't be on video chat 8 hours a day since she has to make a living and feed her family is left with few or none of the men writing them. The sincere men who get jaded by the bombardment of chat invites from good time girls quit and move onto something more realistic. HRB/RLM hampers the odds of success not only for men, but the sincere women there. It's not a level playing field for decent people to find decent people.

While HRB/RLM has a search engine to find women based on if they are or not wearing lingere, many of the FSU women don't know they are signing up for HRB/RLM and can't see the layout of the site since it's intentionally blocked in the FSU if I remember correctly. If sincere women could see HRB/RLM's pages, they may be turned off. I haven't signed up for Zolushka as a woman but I wonder if the ladies can see us men in underwear too? Link below.

http://zolushka.net/

While many men at HRB/RLM are searching for bikini babes or ones wearing lingere, here is what FSU women are told the men there are looking for.

Single men WAITING FOR YOU!
Passion, desire, romance,LOVE! This is something we all passionately want but can not always be achieved. Our program Zolushka.net- a unique tool for providing traditional services in the field of marriage business, where serious relationship ceases to be illusory pipe dream. Lonely American men want to meet you. We'll help you find them!

Find svoego partner with the following innovative services:

•E-mail correspondence - Zolushka.net - this is your immediate connection with worthy bachelors across America. With our highly efficient email service Search for your ideal pair would be just a matter of time!
•Conversation online - a quick phone call - the fastest way to connect with interesting American men.


LONELY AMERICAN MEN ARE WAITING TO MEET WITH YOU!
Look for a lover and can not find? Welcome to our site Zolushka.net, in a pleasant and safe atmosphere dating online, where the lonely American men are waiting to meet you!

American men: intelligent, attractive, have been successful - may be enough? Program Zolushka.net devoted to creating long term relationships between Russian women and American men. With ever-increasing database of Western men meet your chosen one for you is only a matter of time.

Our database consists of single men who live throughout the United States who are looking for true love. With the help of innovative services such as chat and video streaming, search for a man of your dreams becomes a lot easier than you might imagine! They wait - you do not have to wait. Start your search today and get ready for an appointment with your chosen one!

Some here have said many men who are losers are using HRB/RLM and deserve what's coming to them. HRB/RLM/CEO says the men at his site are worthy bachelors.  

[acrzybear]

Safeguards are in place to prevent the exchange of said information and, if clients use extraordinary means to circumvent them, it's not the IMB's liability.

Damn you're good   So the safeguards are in place to protect the clients.   

[Shadow]

Damn you're good   So the safeguards are in place to protect the clients.   

Regarding safeguards, there are two ways to look at it.
One is the idea to remove the agency as soon as possible, and get a direct phone number or e-mail address.

BUT... there is a nice counter argument that you may think of. for the counter argument assume you have a 20-25 year old daughter that has model looks. Would you reccomend her to give out her phone number and mail to every stranger that asks for it ? Or would you rather have her give it after she has had the chance to at least find out a little bit about the people who ask ?  Of course all the good-mannered and highly repuatable men here woud feel there is no need to protect women. However reality might be otherwise.

Like men should use the method and means they feel comfortable with, the same thing goes for women. If that limits their chances, so be it, all that needs is one person who happens to make contact through the venue they choose. All those who selected another venue for whatever reason lose out.