Help Please!! ZAGS (Registry office) Documents Required ? - I am from Canada

[Brian]

In Canada - when a person is divorced they receive 2 documents.

1.  First document is a "Divorce Judgment." 

2.  Second document is "Certificate of Divorce" and is issued after the Divorce Judgment if no problems.

My divorce is completed in Canada.  How do I prove to ZAGS that I can be married?

A woman at the ZAGS (Registry office - in Perm) says that these documents are not good.

However, I tried to explain that these are the only documents that are issued to a Canadian when they are divorced.

I am going back to Perm next week and need to know what Documents I can take with me. 

The woman at ZAGS also mentioned documentation that I have not married since my divorce.

How do I prove that?

[ace131]

do registry office people tell you that what documents do you need?
Also here whenpeople travel to other country to married in Zags we get speacial paper that ratifies that we are not married and it is  one of the important documents.. Such document can be valid only a few months. Can you find out that in Canada if they can give you the document like this?
Ace131

[acctBill]

Brian what you need is your divorce decree "Certificate of Divorce" also take your "Divorce Judgment" just to cover all bases.  You'll also need a marriage search done by your provincial government saying that you haven't been married since your divorce.  Canada doesn't have a Certificate of No Impediment.  The link covers a UK man marrying in the UK but it should still be helpful for a Canadian.

http://www.waytorussia.net/Practicalities/Marriage.html

Edit: Just to be safe it might be a good idea to send your paperwork to your g/f and have her get it checked at the ZAGS office to ensure that it is sufficient to allow you to marry in Russia.

[BC]

http://international.gc.ca/about-a_propos/authentication-authentification_documents.aspx?lang=eng#A4

Statements In-Lieu of Certificate of Non-Impediment to Marriage Abroad

    * If you wish to get married in a country other than Canada, you may be required to obtain a Statement In-Lieu of Certificate of Non-Impediment to Marriage Abroad. In order to determine whether you will require a Statement, visa, etc., you must contact the embassy, high commission or consulate in Canada of the country concerned.
    * You can submit your request for a Statement In-Lieu of Certificate of Non-Impediment to Marriage Abroad in person or by mail. Processing time for these Statements is approximately 35 working days, regardless of how they are delivered to us.
    * If you were born in Canada, you must submit your certified birth certificate.
    * If you were not born in Canada, you must submit certified true copies of your Canadian citizenship card and Record of Landing form. If you have lost your Record of Landing form, this must be mentioned in the statutory declaration of marital status.
    * You must provide a statutory declaration of your present marital status and indicate the name and citizenship of your future spouse. Statutory declarations can be done before a Canadian notary or commissioner of oaths.
    * If you have been married before, you must submit your certified divorce certificate or divorce judgment. If you are a widow or widower you must submit a certified copy of the death certificate of your deceased spouse.
    * If you intend to marry in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, your certificate must be issued no more than three months before your intended marriage date.

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/russia-russie/contact-contactez.aspx?lang=eng

mosco@international.gc.ca

The next logical step would be to take this document to the RU ministry of foreign affairs for legalization.

[Brian]

Where can i view a sample copy of a "Certificate of Non-Impediment to Marriage Abroad?"

If the ZAGS registry office is determined to have a "Certificate of Non-Impediment to Marriage Abroad" - perhaps I can fill out a copy and have it Notarized here in Canada before I leave on Tuesday for Russia?      

It might be better to give ZAGS what they want - instead of trying to explain that some Documents requested by ZAGS - do not exist in Canada?

This is my third trip to Russia in five months.  If I cannot finalize this marriage it is going to be a long and cold winter for me in Russia.  I was hoping to get married early in December and start the immigration process to Canada before I return to Canada at the end of January.  I do not want to be a dog chasing his tail for these 2 months I will be in Perm.   

In Canada, Documents seem to be very plain with perhaps one seal or one stamp.  My perception is that Russians like to see many stamps and seals.  The more stamps and seals the more legal is my perception of the document.

My girlfriend also gave to ZAGS my decree "Certificate of Divorce" and my "Divorce Judgment" - these mean everything in Canada and nothing in Russia.  ZAGS told my girlfriend these Documents were not acceptable.

We are working with a ZAGS office in Perm (not Moscow).  This ZAGS office in Perm also has my Passport copied and translated (by an "official translator" recommended by ZAGS and "Notarized" also by recommendation of this ZAGS office in Perm.  Perhaps they have never had a Canadian at this office - and are only thinking in terms of laws of the United States and European countries.    :rulez:

I appreciate any and all suggestions - especially with any reference to Canada and what is needed.

[BC]

Brian,

Although not from Canada, been there, done that.

I tried using a statement I wrote and had an apostille stamp applied.  Should have been legal, and was a legal document but not what ZAGS wanted.  They wanted the official version issued at the consulate in Moscow and legalized by the RU foreign ministry.

We were in a time crunch, but did do it that way.  ZAGS accepted my apostilled statement and receipt from the foreign affairs office until the original document arrived a few days after we married.  That was 8 years ago though.

It's up to ZAGS, but I don't think you'll find a way around it if they insist.  If there is a way around it, even temporary, your future RW will probably know best talking to them.

Best bet is the official route.


Email your consulate in RU and they will let you know in short order what's required.

[Donhollio]

Brian what you need is your divorce decree "Certificate of Divorce" also take your "Divorce Judgment" just to cover all bases.  You'll also need a marriage search done by your provincial government saying that you haven't been married since your divorce.  Canada doesn't have a Certificate of Non Impediment.  The link covers a UK man marrying in the UK but it should still be helpful for a Canadian.

http://www.waytorussia.net/Practicalities/Marriage.html

Edit: Just to be safe it might be a good idea to send your paperwork to your g/f and have her get it checked at the ZAGS office to ensure that it is sufficient to allow you to marry in Russia.

 Brian ignore that entire post.


I recently got married in Uzbekistan, I needed this Certificate of No Impediment paper. Instead we went to the CDN consulate in Tashkent and I got a paper that was similar. Now depending on the ZAGS they didn't have to accept it , but they did. Call CIC and ask if they can send you out one ASAP. It usually takes at least a month I'm told. Another option that worked for a guy I know was he went to the CDN Embassy  ( kiev) and they printed one off for him. You may try this in Moscow, the Embassy's address can be found at the CIC's website.  Call CIC !


Call Centre services (if you are in Canada only)
The Call Centre can answer questions, in English and French, about Citizenship and Immigration (CIC) services and programs, or applications in process inside Canada.

Call Centre telephone number: 1-888-242‑2100

[acctBill]

Brian ignore that entire post.


I recently got married in Uzbekistan, I needed this Certificate of No Impediment paper. Instead we went to the CDN consulate in Tashkent and I got a paper that was similar. Now depending on the ZAGS they didn't have to accept it , but they did. Call CIC and ask if they can send you out one ASAP. It usually takes at least a month I'm told. Another option that worked for a guy I know was he went to the CDN Embassy  ( kiev) and they printed one off for him. You may try this in Moscow, the Embassy's address can be found at the CIC's website.  Call CIC !


Call Centre services (if you are in Canada only)
The Call Centre can answer questions, in English and French, about Citizenship and Immigration (CIC) services and programs, or applications in process inside Canada.

Call Centre telephone number: 1-888-242‑2100

Tashkent is not Perm.  Russian ZAGS probably works differently than Uzbekistan ZAGS. In fact it is possible that Perm ZAGS works differently than Moscow ZAGS.  It is better that he is prepared and gets all needed documentation while in Canada and sends copies to his g/f to get it checked at the local ZAGS in Perm.  By all means talk to the CIC call centre and get their advice but in the end it is the Perm ZAGS that will decide what documentation is needed for him and his g/f to marry in Perm.     

[Jumper]

Not Canadian, and was married some years ago, so my input is only as a
very general reference.


I'm American and was married to a Ukrianian, in Ukraine.


The loacl cities, Zags office needed a *letter of non-impediment to marry*

in my case this was obtained at the US embassy in Kiev.

You filled out a form , supplied any additional documentation, then swore an oath of such to the Consulate officer.

You were given your stamped and signed form.

This also needed officially translated/apostled and then stamped /approved through the  Ukrainian Ministry of Foregn Affairs (in kiev)
It was all a one day process ,mostly because of the long lines


I would think a very similar process might be thru the Canadian embassy or consulate office,, and thern through the ministry of foriegn affairs..


If you search for *non impediment * ,
 i would think you will find a few threads showing the proces in more detail here (uin ther visa section.

also a good resource is the website visajourney,
 and of course the Canadian embassies website for the country you intend to marry in?

[Voyager36]

Tashkent is not Perm.  Russian ZAGS probably works differently than Uzbekistan ZAGS. In fact it is possible that Perm ZAGS works differently than Moscow ZAGS.  It is better that he is prepared and gets all needed documentation while in Canada and sends copies to his g/f to get it checked at the local ZAGS in Perm.     

No, the CIC cannot issue this document because they don't have accurate information about your marital status. (only provincial registries have that) \
Agencies in Canada won't know what's needed in Russia. (but the Canadian consulate will)

Not Canadian, and was married some years ago, so my input is only as a
very general reference.

I'm American and was married to a Ukrianian, in Ukraine.
The loacl cities, Zags office needed a *letter of non-impediment to marry*
in my case this was obtained at the US embassy in Kiev.
You filled out a form , supplied any additional documentation, then swore an oath of such to the Consulate officer.
You were given your staped and signed form.

Correct. this is what they want.
For canadians (since our government doesn't keep track of who is married) you will need a "affadavit in lieu of certificate of non-impediment"
You go to the nearest Canadian consul and get this affadavit for about $60.
I got mine in Kiev, the consulate knew exactly what was needed as they do dozens of these letters each year.
Ask your girlfriend to check with the local ZAGS if they will accept an "Affadavit in lieu of certificate" from the consul, and they will likely tell you that is what they want

[acctBill]

No, the CIC cannot issue this document because they don't have accurate information about your marital status. (only provincial registries have that) \
Agencies in Canada won't know what's needed in Russia. (but the Canadian consulate will)

Voyager36 I never said CIC was going to issue any documentation.  I realize that any info and documentation about marriages and divorces must come from the provincial authorities.  I was merely agreeing with a previous post that there is a chance, a slim chance, that CIC might have some useful advice to give about a Canadian marrying in Russia.  Please reread the relevant post.