"The Russian Bride Business Is Dead" ? Really?

[Ade]

SJ, ahh now.. give Andrew some credit, he is a clever chap for  a Brit. 

For every time The Russian bride business is dead,( i just helped a bit more))
 is mentioned or linked, anywhere..It runs it up the search engine's  lists ,

Admittedly I'm no search engine ranking expert but I thought that it counts a lot to be linked to but not so much to be mentioned. As far as I can tell, it's Andrew himself doing all the linking...

It's all very bizarre if you ask me. I wonder where and how HRB and perhaps Manny fit into all of this. I certainly don't believe Andy's protests...

[tim 360]

SJ, ahh now.. give Andrew some credit, he is a clever chap for  a Brit.  

andrewfi-
 helpful 'net markerting tip #3 ,
 add a video.it increases significantly your reports existence and placing  in various search engines.
any vid, even if it is you just introducing the report and a foundation of your background and why you'd be credible in compiling it.

 
 

The video is the ticket to make that "report" a breakout success on Youtube.  But just andrewfi talking won't cut it.  Make sure to have some images of wholesome sexy slinky girls chatting it up along with the text to keep the viewers attention.  Our beautiful chatters are standing by.  Ya' know--some agency might have a few to lend out for the shoot.   I'm sure. 

[tim 360]

It's all very bizarre if you ask me. I wonder where and how HRB and perhaps Manny fit into all of this. I certainly don't believe Andy's protests...

Aaahhhh,  SJ now that you mention it.....omigosh--couldn't be?  Could it?   

[Jumper]

Admittedly I'm no search engine ranking expert but I thought that it counts a lot to be linked to but not so much to be mentioned. As far as I can tell, it's Andrew himself doing all the linking...

It's all very bizarre if you ask me. I wonder where and how HRB and perhaps Manny fit into all of this. I certainly don't believe Andy's protests...

Mentioned may perhaps not be as *good* as some other methods,
but even the exact text on a site that is ranked high,, would  beat  "0"?

(you notice he has linked the news site more than once )
  
oh and sorry for the *clever for a Brit* shot...  



I do not find andrew's actions bizare,

I find them currently lacking transparency.
While quite normal in business and advertising,

I think its something he must of learned well on his trip to HRB.

[tim 360]

As an aside: I, for one, find all these alarming 'change is coming' in the MOB rather comical. Like men are so threathened the FSU rules of dating will soon be in the same level as those they were rejected from in the west...LOL.

 

[Jumper]

The video is the ticket to make that "report" a breakout success on Youtube.  But just andrewfi talking won't cut it.  Make sure to have some images of wholesome sexy slinky girls chatting it up along with the text to keep the viewers attention.  Our beautiful chatters are standing by.  Ya' know--some agency might have a few to lend out for the shoot.   I'm sure.  

yes, 'tis quite odd he dint throw one up on his site, and then add it to youtube for possible subscriptions




 

[Vaughn]

The video is the ticket to make that "report" a breakout success on Youtube.  But just andrewfi talking won't cut it.

Tim 360, you read my mind - I watched the video and felt unconvinced. The pitch should be
compelling. Slinky babes and Euro-architecture would likely get the target's attention.

Now I know why I felt empty at the end - Andrewfi, no offense intended - some of the world's
greatest marketers never appear in their own campaigns. Orville Redenbacher was one of the
exceptions. Does anyone recall Bud Melman from The Tonight Show? His mission was to take
ridicule, to be the bullseye of Johnny Carson's jokes - but never to appeal to viewers' serious interest.

  

[Maxx2]

Yes Andrew needs some video of hot Russian babes showing a lot of cleavage and leg to go viral on the Internet. It works around here.

[GQBlues]

Orville Redenbacher was one of the exceptions.

Col. Harland Sanders didn't do too bad...

[Shadow]

David, I have not suggested that no quotations may be made. You might have been reading something written by somebody else. Shadow was NOT quoting my work, nor did he give attribution. He plundered my work in complete and without attribution and then invited anyone to come take it and pass it on.

I did not invite people to pass it on, I did invite people to read my copy, and if anyone should ask I *may* lend my copy for them to read, if they promise me to delete it afterwards.

[Shadow]

Andrew, please read this part of the TOS:

You shall not post any message containing or otherwise use any obscene or offensive language or post anywhere else on or through the International Relations or affiliate site and services any material that is an invitation to fast money making schemes, defamatory, pornographic, racial, abusive or hateful, constitutes junk mail or unauthorized advertising, harassment, invades anyone's privacy, or encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national, or international law or regulation. You agree to use the services offered by International Relations only for lawful purposes.

In my opinion using an internet marketing list which offers $1 for each e-mail address counts as a fast money making scheme, not to mention the envisioned target of obtaining.
I would like Dan to check this out and take appropriate measures.

[Ade]

Mentioned may perhaps not be as *good* as some other methods,
but even the exact text on a site that is ranked high,, would  beat  "0"?

(you notice he has linked the news site more than once )

But if anyone clicked on the other links that google returned, this site included, I don't think that the derision and skepticism would be good for business.

oh and sorry for the *clever for a Brit* shot...  

I've lived outside the UK for almost half my life now so I hardly even consider myself a Brit any longer.

I think its something he must of learned well on his trip to HRB.

I'm pretty sure that even if it's not directly related to HRB it has at least been inspired by that HRB trip...

[tim 360]

Andrew, please read this part of the TOS:In my opinion using an internet marketing list which offers $1 for each e-mail address counts as a fast money making scheme, not to mention the envisioned target of obtaining.I would like Dan to check this out and take appropriate measures.

Leeme see if I understand what you wrote Shadow.  Myself, being an American my English has it's limitations.  If someone from RWD or anywhere wants to read this said "report" one goes to andrewfi's website and submits his/her email address to be able to read the report.  For this, he recieves $1 for each person who provides their email address?  Is this correct or am I mistaken?

[Ravens9273]

Have not been here in a long time but still some threads just amaze.

For your information Andrew.

All you could possibly do for the report link being posted is file to have it removed. Since it was removed, this is not even an option.
All the other legal nonsense you mentioned is just complete bull.
Your report is free. No where did anyone else claim to have been the author etc... There is no damages you could claim at all on something that is free.
However in your whole legal rant you have forgotten one very important detail. You have been using this thread to promote your report and site. In many posts you have listed your sites name. That is against RWD rules. If anything the only one here who could claim damages would be RWD since you are using their forum as a way of free promotion.
This site survives from the many paid ads on it.
So while you were on your rant as to how you could go after RWD (which in all honesty could only have been a removal of a link. Proving damages would be pretty much impossible) the truth is RWD has more of a case against you and could claim loss of monies not paid by you for advertising.

People here should really stop all the court and legal talk and threats of taking each other to court. So many threads like this and yet those involved have no clue what they are even talking about and have also committed just as much of an offence that they could just as easily be held responsible for as well.

[JR]

I think a full page ad in AARP is in order.

[I/O]

This reminds me of the donut stand............"Get 'em while they're hot, calorie free centres".

Andrew: I've read a few of your posts over the years and I've found myself nodding more times than shaking although I have actually thought you off the mark in a few areas. I scanned (for about 60 seconds the "report" (the attractant) which was linked in Shadow's post and it's rubbish. Whatever email selling scheme you have going (don't know and don't care) is ambiguous at best. Your credability (in my and more than a few others, who have been around the block for a while, eyes) has taken a helluva whack here.

As for the "legal" BS, the chances of anyone gaining anything out of that are 4/5ths of eff all. I've seen more of that crap talk, which has never amounted to anything tangible, around here over the past few years to last a lifetime. I suggest you dump that and find a better marketing adviser next time around. This program, for this site at least, has been a "pisser" so far (even if it does gain a couple of lemmings clients).

The great irony here is the claim is probably correct in so far as we know the industry but I'd wager a goodly sum that in 5 years time the number of targeted international marriages involving FSU & American blood is little different if not greater than it is today but............It may not involve the "MOB Industry Players" as we know them today. In 2006 I wrote somewhere here (along the lines) that agencies, lawyers, terps and other assistants (in this pursuit) are of no value to the guy who wants to do some work as they can't do anything of any much value he can't do himself if he sets his mind to it. 5 years later I've seen nothing to change my mind and.........................what I am seeing is a greater percentage of guys less inclined down the "hand held" road.

As access to information continues to improve, I only see the percentage of D.I.Y. guys increasing. Your (and others) challenge is to figure out how to create a new and credible business within that market rather than trying to shock steer them down the same old roads (tits, arse and a cheap wife half your age, now). So far, this threads indicates you've not cracked the winning formula yet.............

[tim 360]

Have not been here in a long time but still some threads just amaze.

For your information Andrew.

.....All you could possibly do for the report link being posted is file to have it removed. Since it was removed, this is not even an option.
All the other legal nonsense you mentioned is just complete bull.
Your report is free. No where did anyone else claim to have been the author etc... There is no damages you could claim at all on something that is free.
So while you were on your rant as to how you could go after RWD (which in all honesty could only have been a removal of a link. Proving damages would be pretty much impossible) the truth is RWD has more of a case against you and could claim loss of monies not paid by you for advertising.
People here should really stop all the court and legal talk and threats of taking each other to court. So many threads like this and yet those involved have no clue what they are even talking about and have also committed just as much of an offence that they could just as easily be held responsible for as well.

Great post Ravens.  A little dose of reality for these proclaimed "intellectual property holders".  Love these couple of guys who migrated here trumpeting their "copyrights etc".  First you need a damaged party.  Then you need court, money, lawyers, and a positive verdict.  Then you need enforcement and collections.  Cccchhheeesssshhhh.  I don't see any value to their "intellectual property" for there to be any damages.  Seems like RWD is being used to advertise the $1 Report.   

[LEGAL]

Seems like RWD is being used to advertise the $1 Report.   

Exactly my thoughts!

[Jumper]

Leeme see if I understand what you wrote Shadow.  Myself, being an American my English has it's limitations.  If someone from RWD or anywhere wants to read this said "report" one goes to andrewfi's website and submits his/her email address to be able to read the report.  For this, he recieves $1 for each person who provides their email address?  Is this correct or am I mistaken?

It is *free*.

So I believe this might be more in line ?

For this, he contributes $1 to each person who provides  email addresses?

 rather a $1 for others that they entice to subscribe..follow?
similar to pyramid schemes? (and my earlier mention of mary kay and I/O's mention of Amway)
   but what andrewfi receives ,if anything, is not known .


In any case the longer the thread the better for Andrewfi..

[Manny]

Some of you may not have noticed, but RWD was carrying banners for this report a few days ago. It was also mentioned (and linked) in the RWD newsletter. I suspect Dan is fully up to speed about it.

Shadow, if you didnt see the RWD newsletter, I *may* lend you my copy as long as you promise to delete it afterwards. 

So, all this talk of TOS and self-promotion may well be wasted e-paper. Why not wait and see what Dan says about that? Just a thought.......

Oh, and to Tim, Legal, Ade and any others who love to jump on any passing "Lets beat Manny with a stick" bandwagon, I am not connected at all to this report as has been comprehensively discussed elsewhere already.

[Manny]

A little dose of reality for these proclaimed "intellectual property holders".  Love these couple of guys who migrated here trumpeting their "copyrights etc".  First you need a damaged party.  Then you need court, money, lawyers, and a positive verdict.  Then you need enforcement and collections.  Cccchhheeesssshhhh.  I don't see any value to their "intellectual property" for there to be any damages.  Seems like RWD is being used to advertise the $1 Report.   

I love armchair experts!

What you actually need is something called a DMCA notice (in the US) to get your intellectual property removed from a website by the host. That's all. No more; no less. Ask Legal, although not a lawyer, he knows all about them.

However, I don't think anyone is taking anyone to court here. So its all hot air now Shadow has removed his attachment.

If you want to read it, go to Andrews site, cough up an email address you can access, and read it. Not too hard is it? If you haven't read it, should you really be on this topic?

[Jumper]

 

Most amusing thread ever..

and it just keeps giving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

If you haven't read it, should you really be on this topic?

it's an internet forum? I read it, but only those who read it have *rights* to comment?
interesting

Hmm ok-

What about if you havn't used HRB as a regular client, somewhat extensively??

 


(legal disclaimer: this may have more than  a few implied meanings)

 

[tim 360]

Of course no one is going to court over this said "intellectual property" Manny.  Courts are serious while internet forums are much less so.  


Read the report?  Maybe after a little chatting at HRB.   

[Shadow]

Some of you may not have noticed, but RWD was carrying banners for this report a few days ago. It was also mentioned (and linked) in the RWD newsletter. I suspect Dan is fully up to speed about it.

Shadow, if you didnt see the RWD newsletter, I *may* lend you my copy as long as you promise to delete it afterwards. 

So, all this talk of TOS and self-promotion may well be wasted e-paper. Why not wait and see what Dan says about that? Just a thought.......

Oh, and to Tim, Legal, Ade and any others who love to jump on any passing "Lets beat Manny with a stick" bandwagon, I am not connected at all to this report as has been comprehensively discussed elsewhere already.

Manny advertising is indepent from creating a post. Banners are leading to a site that is the risk of whoever wishes to go there. However any poster of a topic should follow the TOS in which quick money making schemes are forbidden.
Perhaps on RUA these are allowed, in that case I can come over there and make some posts, I will even cut you a share of the profits in order not to be subjected to a changing set of rules as things progress.

Tim, Andrew is paying $1 for every e-mail address that you can provide him which also downloads the report. Apart from being extremely concerned for the poor agency owners and brideseekers, he also is philantropic as he gives away money for nothing.
Makes me wonder two things...first of all how much cash does he have, and second would a number of mail adresses from the same IP be banned.... would be pretty fun to create a small robot, with or without proxies. 

[ECOCKS]

I couldn't help but note the reaction to this Astonishing Report is the same on several other boards as well.

For those who are mildly intrigued at wondering what game is afoot, it's worth noting the comments in several venues and pondering why the reactions all seem to run the same direction......

I'm guessing that, aside from the "there is no such thing as bad publicity" cliche, this didn't go quite the way it was planned when it was being strategized.