Looking for Spiritual and Educated Russian / Ukrainian Girl.

[raysgto]

I saw couple of dating sites because of the mailers which comes every morning.

The girls are definitely eye-candy, but the profiles do not have the one qualities I am looking for.

I am looking for a spiritual, educated and career oriented girl. It seems, these issues are grossly missing in the profiles of most of the sites.

A discussion will be welcome on this.

[I/O]

I am looking for a spiritual, educated and career oriented girl.

Educated (at least to some extent) and career oriented is pretty much a given for most who have the opportunity. Spiritual? Not that many eastern women I've met are very keen on vodka but you could try one on Jim Beam.  :brightidea:

[dbneeley]

"Spiritual" is such an equivocal term that it is almost meaningless without some sort of definition.

Do you mean "religious" as being active in an organized religion, or do you mean a more philosophical kind of thing where she might be interested in more than this "earthly plane" for example?

Although a minority, there are certainly people here who are devoutly religious, both some who are Orthodox but also others who are members of many of the more evangelical religions.

Many are like my wife, who rarely attends church but who relied upon reading the Bible and prayer when her first marriage was breaking up in order to get through the emotional trauma. Today, she goes to church when there is some reason to seek special guidance or to pray for some sort of very important situation. That seems a fairly common pattern here in Ukraine as well.

Thus, if you'd give your own definition of spiritual, perhaps we can be more helpful.

David

[Nat]

I saw couple of dating sites because of the mailers which comes every morning.

The girls are definitely eye-candy, but the profiles do not have the one qualities I am looking for.

I am looking for a spiritual, educated and career oriented girl. It seems, these issues are grossly missing in the profiles of most of the sites.

A discussion will be welcome on this.

I can see that you're from India. Do you want your future wife to move to India or are you going to move to her? Because if you want her to move to you, how can she be "career oriented"? If she's career oriented, she won't be willing to relocate or will do it with the help of business visa and her employer. Besides, what types of career can a Russian woman pursue in India?

[raysgto]

Educated (at least to some extent) and career oriented is pretty much a given for most who have the opportunity. Spiritual? Not that many eastern women I've met are very keen on vodka but you could try one on Jim Beam.  :brightidea:

I do understand what you mean. Yes, the intellectual and spiritual depth is grossly missing. But anyway, I am hopefully, life style will change very soon.

[raysgto]

"Spiritual" is such an equivocal term that it is almost meaningless without some sort of definition.

Do you mean "religious" as being active in an organized religion, or do you mean a more philosophical kind of thing where she might be interested in more than this "earthly plane" for example?

Although a minority, there are certainly people here who are devoutly religious, both some who are Orthodox but also others who are members of many of the more evangelical religions.

Many are like my wife, who rarely attends church but who relied upon reading the Bible and prayer when her first marriage was breaking up in order to get through the emotional trauma. Today, she goes to church when there is some reason to seek special guidance or to pray for some sort of very important situation. That seems a fairly common pattern here in Ukraine as well.

Thus, if you'd give your own definition of spiritual, perhaps we can be more helpful.

David

Spirituality and Religion is different. Spirituality is more on the realization within and enhancement of the chakras. You can say spiritual realization of individual have led to make religions.

[raysgto]

I can see that you're from India. Do you want your future wife to move to India or are you going to move to her? Because if you want her to move to you, how can she be "career oriented"? If she's career oriented, she won't be willing to relocate or will do it with the help of business visa and her employer. Besides, what types of career can a Russian woman pursue in India?

1. I will be in India, as I am in business, and prefer her to move here.
2. Career oriented female can pursue career from anywhere, even from home. It is the state of mind more than environmental conditions.
3. Career one can pursue is what an Indian can pursue here. It depends on the qualification, experience and specialization. But English knowledge is must.

[Shostakovich]

Spirituality and Religion is different. Spirituality is more on the realization within and enhancement of the chakras. You can say spiritual realization of individual have led to make religions.

They make a religion out out ckakra science these days also - called new age.  Yoga is at risk of becoming or has already become trivialized too as it becomes appropriated by the multitude who equate spirituality with fine thighs.  I'd be wary of the 'spiritual but not religious' crowd - they basically want to avoid answering to anyone.  But all authentic spirituality begins with a sound moral life.  That is, in fact, what will start to make your chakras whirl, not breath of fire exercises.  And why is something bad because it is organized?  It is quite correct to say that spiritual realization has led to religion, but religion was put in place to lead one back to the source of spirituality.  This is a long subject because a good share of humanity has horizons not much more elevated than those of an ant.  Naturally the religion or spiritual practice for the ant-people is not going to work for a Buddha.  In fact I'd say everyone is spiritual, it is just that they don't know it.  In fact the ones who advertise themselves as being rigorously 'spiritual' often have the strongest blocks to any authentic spiritual awakening as the spirit too may be appropriated by the ego.  Standing behind all action is the desire to move to the next stage as a person.  Look for the ones who are moving in life and forget the mumbo-jumbo. 

 

[dbneeley]

I do understand what you mean. Yes, the intellectual and spiritual depth is grossly missing. But anyway, I am hopefully, life style will change very soon.

"Intellectual ... depth is grossly missing"??? Surely you jest!

There are some extremely accomplished intellectuals in the FSU. To think otherwise merely indicates you have no valid frame of reference. Obviously, in any society the true intellectuals are a distinct minority...but they do exist here as they do elsewhere.

David

[mies]

Yes, the intellectual and spiritual depth is grossly missing.

you mean in profile descriptions? or in russian women?

or maybe you want to say that intellectual depth is missing in this guy?

You can say spiritual realization of individual have led to make religions.

some reputable studies have proven that continuous chanting leads to over-stimulation of some parts of the brain, very similar to those that are observed in people with schizophrenia. As such - thanks to continuous fasting and chanting, people are capable to "hear voices of Gods" or "see the images of saints/gods".

Why are you looking for "enhancers" of chakras among christian orthodox women? You'll have much better chances to find this sort of spirituality among Indian women. For a spiritual and religious Christian Russian/Ukrainian women you demands of "enhancing chakras" is a satanic ritual. Please, keep that in mind.
Although, there are some newly converted Buddhists in Slavic countries, as well as are some genuinely spiritual though not very religious people.
Whenever I hear from anybody requests of "spirituality and intellect" I am not sure whether this individual is focusing on the content or the form, and whether requests of this sort grow from high intellect or from the ignorance. I meet sometimes people who proclaim themselves highly spiritual, and what i see in them - is some brownian motion of underdeveloped intellect in the "way too big" and yet empty spirit flask. They are in search of ultimate truth, and the desire to do that search is noble, but their efforts are wasted on so many redundant things instead of building and developing "content".  

[Shostakovich]

you mean in profile descriptions? or in russian women?

or maybe you want to say that intellectual depth is missing in this guy?


So ugly!  Think that had anything to do with how he developed?
 some reputable studies have proven that continuous chanting leads to over-stimulation of some parts of the brain, very similar to those that are observed in people with schizophrenia. As such - thanks to continuous fasting and chanting, people are capable to "hear voices of Gods" or "see the images of saints/gods".
Lots of ways to induce transcendental states.  Shamanism favors drugs, Fakirism favors self torture, Yoga favors sex control and sublimation.  Any wonder why there are so few real adepts?

Why are you looking for "enhancers" of chakras among christian orthodox women? You'll have much better chances to find this sort of spirituality among Indian women. For a spiritual and religious Christian Russian/Ukrainian women you demands of "enhancing chakras" is a satanic ritual. Please, keep that in mind.

Excellent points, though the enlightened path involves the perception of common elements among the various religions.  A yogi I studied with calls Catholic Priests the 'Yogis of the Vatican'.  That is the important thing - not to get caught up in forms and names and artificial divisions created through misunderstanding of what truly goes on
Although, there are some newly converted Buddhists in Slavic countries, as well as are some genuinely spiritual though not very religious people.
Whenever I hear from anybody requests of "spirituality and intellect" I am not sure whether this individual is focusing on the content or the form, and whether requests of this sort grow from high intellect or from the ignorance. I meet sometimes people who proclaim themselves highly spiritual, and what i see in them - is some brownian motion of underdeveloped intellect in the "way too big" and yet empty spirit flask. They are in search of ultimate truth, and the desire to do that search is noble, but their efforts are wasted on so many redundant things instead of building and developing "content".  

There is a growing awareness of Eastern practices in the FSU, usually referred to as esoterica.  Outside of Moscow, SPB, Kiev it seems to be very ad-hoc.  The literature in Russian only now starts to build and there are some informal meetings.  Tantra seems to have a following.  Any religion/spiritual practices have been suppressed for a long time and hence the rush to Orthodoxy as when the FSU went under.  I suspect that a good share of the interest in Eastern practices will go the way it has in the west, with an emphasis on relaxation and physical culture. 

[tfcrew]

1. I will be in India, as I am in business, and prefer her to move here.
 

From Eastern Europe?
Doubtful. Most of these ladies [my guess is 99%] are looking for life in the west.
Also, most list themselves as Christian and the lifestyle as same.

In addition, I disagree that profiles in general, lack spiritual and intellectual qualities.
These women are very keenly aware that some effete demonstration of upfront intellectualism is quite frankly [and I agree] a turn-off.
In that, they possess intellectual quality.
IMHO

Respectfully
Karl

[Boethius]

There is a growing awareness of Eastern practices in the FSU, usually referred to as esoterica.  Outside of Moscow, SPB, Kiev it seems to be very ad-hoc.  The literature in Russian only now starts to build and there are some informal meetings.  Tantra seems to have a following.  Any religion/spiritual practices have been suppressed for a long time and hence the rush to Orthodoxy as when the FSU went under.  I suspect that a good share of the interest in Eastern practices will go the way it has in the west, with an emphasis on relaxation and physical culture. 

There was a well developed understanding of Eastern practices in the 1970's and 1980's in the USSR, including Hindu and Buddhist practices.  Most of those books were not forbidden, but Bibles and works by Orthodox mystics were.

[Shostakovich]

There was a well developed understanding of Eastern practices in the 1970's and 1980's in the USSR, including Hindu and Buddhist practices.  Most of those books were not forbidden, but Bibles and works by Orthodox mystics were.

Interesting.  I've queried quite a few on this and no one really seems to know much about it.  Perhaps with all the confusion surrounding the breakup that no one had time for those things anymore and it is just getting started again.

[tfcrew]

 

   

Wasn't he in a couple of Geico Insurance commercials?

[BillyB]

I saw couple of dating sites because of the mailers which comes every morning. 

The girls are definitely eye-candy, but the profiles do not have the one qualities I am looking for.

I am looking for a spiritual, educated and career oriented girl. It seems, these issues are grossly missing in the profiles of most of the sites.

You should take a closer look at the ladies on American dating sites. They are not eye candy, they brag about their tattoos and piercings and many are 420 friendly or in other words they like to smoke dope. The overall single RW on dating sites are smarter and better looking than their American competition.

As far as seeking what you're looking for, don't judge the ladies by their photo. Many RW like to dress sharp, sexy, and feminine but they can still be down to earth. Communicate with a lot of ladies and you might find one you're compatible with.

[wicheese]

1. I will be in India, as I am in business, and prefer her to move here.
2. Career oriented female can pursue career from anywhere, even from home. It is the state of mind more than environmental conditions.
3. Career one can pursue is what an Indian can pursue here. It depends on the qualification, experience and specialization. But English knowledge is must.

The question is, how traditional is your family.  Are you the first born son living with your parents, who have the expectation that the wife will cook, clean, and cater to your family?  I have noticed Indian women working outside the home (in India), but not many who are married.  Anyways, when I spent a few weeks in India with my RW girlfriend, she was pretty appalled by how bad traditional women have it there (her reaction to my discussion with a few Indian men about the prevalence of kitchen fires burning up the wife who does not meet the mother-in-laws standards was priceless).  In my view, you only have a chance for success if you have fully accepted a more western viewpoint of a relationship, don't live with your parents, and don't eat with your fingers because a strong career orientated RW will not adapt well, no matter how spiritual she is, IMO. 

[mies]

Wasn't he in a couple of Geico Insurance commercials?

probably, i think there was a scandal about that - when some company used his photo where he is walking a street, looking like a bum, in a commercial representing him as someone else. Probably they were referring to him as a bum.

Shostakovich, - I don't think Perelman is ugly. If you groom his properly - he will look like any random top-notch American lawyer, physician, or scientist. It's not that his development was conditioned by his supposedly "ugly looks", but rather his outstanding intellect and spirituality have led to his low interest in glamorous looks. (that's my interpretation)