Which cities in the Ukraine are preferred?

[GQBlues]

I think there's still 90 days left for the Kiev's Spring-Summer special. So Kiev is the best bet.

The Premium Top-Class A-1 models, which should be all in the prime of their lives, are being dealt in this once-in-a-lifetime extravaganza. Naive, obedient, cooks a mean ol' borsct while balancing on an 8" stilleto heels. They keep their make-ups on even while sleeping so when you wake up in the morning, she will be the same woman you went to bed with. Oh yeah, each one of them are guaranteed to utter nothing more than 'Da'. Pretty much all you'll ever hear them say in most situational circumstances is "Da, Da, Da!"

Look into their 2 for 1 specials. You get one, you get her sister or best friend, too...

Additionally, everyone has had their rabies shot and notorized supporting papers will be provided upon request. Unfortunately, gnashers are still subject to in-field inspection.

The 90-day return guarantee is still provided by DHS as far as I know, however shipping and handling is borne solely by you. They even provide you with a tracking number so you'll know at anytime when/where your inamorata's processing status is anytime you feel like it. ETA is still in th 8-12 month range last I checked.

If you decided she's a keeper, there will be no extended warranty and all ensuing service and maintenance expenses will be your sole responsibility at least for 120 months or the bigger better deal comes rolling along. Whichever comes first.

btw- Good luck!

[Vinnvinny]

Unfortunately, gnashers are still subject to in-field inspection.

It's possible now to have the gnashers refurbished before packing. A few companies are offering this and its well worth the extra $ IMO.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Whatsa "gnasher"?

[GoodOlBoy]

Whatsa "gnasher"?

That would be "teeth".

GOB

[Kapitanleutnant]

D'oh!   

[GoodOlBoy]

Oh yeah, each one of them are guaranteed to utter nothing more than 'Da'. Pretty much all you'll ever hear them say in most situational circumstances is "Da, Da, Da!"

Unless you are a very "good boy", then you will probably hear: "oj!" "oj!" "oj!" :evil:

GOB

PS....Hint: In Slavic languages like Polish or Russian, the word "oj!" (or "ojej!") is an interjection used as English "oh, my", "oh, dear". It is used to express fear, surprise or pain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_(interjection)

[Rubicon]

I think there's still 90 days left for the Kiev's Spring-Summer special. So Kiev is the best bet.

The Premium Top-Class A-1 models, which should be all in the prime of their lives, are being dealt in this once-in-a-lifetime extravaganza. Naive, obedient, cooks a mean ol' borsct while balancing on an 8" stilleto heels. They keep their make-ups on even while sleeping so when you wake up in the morning, she will be the same woman you went to bed with. Oh yeah, each one of them are guaranteed to utter nothing more than 'Da'. Pretty much all you'll ever hear them say in most situational circumstances is "Da, Da, Da!"

Look into their 2 for 1 specials. You get one, you get her sister or best friend, too...

Additionally, everyone has had their rabies shot and notorized supporting papers will be provided upon request. Unfortunately, gnashers are still subject to in-field inspection.

The 90-day return guarantee is still provided by DHS as far as I know, however shipping and handling is borne solely by you. They even provide you with a tracking number so you'll know at anytime when/where your inamorata's processing status is anytime you feel like it. ETA is still in th 8-12 month range last I checked.

If you decided she's a keeper, there will be no extended warranty and all ensuing service and maintenance expenses will be your sole responsibility at least for 120 months or the bigger better deal comes rolling along. Whichever comes first.

btw- Good luck!

Funny Guy!!

[Jumper]

LOL.........   Enjoy AJ!!!!   

I think you meant *JR* about his trip to St Pete..



don't cause me unneeded problems, I date a brunette.

 :rulez:



 

[Rubicon]

I'll get you know in about a week. Tomorrow I leave for St. Pete and interestingly enough she is 5'10, blonde and all legs)))

glad to hear you are not going back to Uzbeckistan or Khazackstan or whatever God forsaken place that was where you had such a bizarre trip!!

[Jack]

You used to say that Donetsk isn't the right city for such purposes and that you don't do business in this city. What has changed?

Nat I'm sorry for not replying sooner. I had not noticed your question until a short time ago.  Should you ever have a question and I do not respond in a reasonable amount of time please feel free to PM or email me.

What has changed?  Well, very little as far as the city goes.  Still today I do not know of a single good and reliable agency to work with in Donestk.  Donestk is somewhat of an island to itself when comparing to cities who have active marriage agencies and attract foreign men.  Donestk has even fewer foreign bride hunters than Lugansk.  Donestk women who have taken the time to put their ads with various agencies and on many different Russian and non-Russian personal websites just do not see many foreign men coming to there town.  We have somewhat incorporated Donestk into our Lugansk tour.  We encourage men to go to these various sites and to look for ladies from Donestk who interest them. The men will then write those ladies from Donestk, tell the woman if she has a real and sincere interest to meet him he will come and see her within the month.  This always increases the percentage of ladies who say yes to a meeting. If only one woman emerges from Donestk we will bring this lady to Lugansk. If however a man ends up with two, three, four or more ladies from Donestk that he would like to meet, we send that man to Donestk. If any of the ladies he is seeing do not speak English then we send an interpreter as well. If all the ladies the man is seeing speak English we drive the man to Donestk, get him a hotel room in the center, our personal contact each of the ladies and we set time and location for the meetings. Often men will go to Donestk on the last or next to last day's we are in Lugansk so that when we leave Lugansk for Dnepropetrovsk we go through Donestk and pick up any of the men who are in Donestk. 

[dbneeley]

I have not heard of any decent introduction agencies here in Donetsk either. That is unfortunate, as there are many very attractive ladies in this area.

So far as I am aware, Donetsk is the only Ukrainian city with so many people not to have an active introduction agency scene. The population here is said to be about 1.1 million.

At one time, men would run a small personal advertisement in a newspaper and get direct contacts with women in that fashion. With the rise of the Internet, that no longer seems to be the case. However, for those who are seeking to bypass agencies, that might be worth considering once more.

David

[neo]

I think what city you choose and the implied success you will get will very much depend on your own circumstances and expectations.

For example, I have been to Kharkov more than a dozen times, and its certainly the education capital of Ukraine in terms of level of students and intelligensia, if you are an academic then you will likely meet your match very easily here as pretty much all girls i met their were university graduated lawyers, doctors, teachers and other professional classes, highly cultured, highly educated and very smart. So if you are a postman looking for a waitress then I would say Kharkov is not the best choice, although there are non graduate girls here as Jack said i don't deal in exceptions and almost every girl I met was a professional class with very few blue collar workers.

Kiev is probably suitable if you are a NYC bond trader, MBA or politico - the city is much more sophisticated than a lot of provincial places and this is where girls go to cut their teeth in world economic and politics - think Washington DC, again their are exceptions but generally i found most women to be older (late 20's, early 30's) and in management/political science/business type roles such as accountants and banking. Of course there are normal girls who came in from the village and things did not work out but generally i think its better to be looking for the genuine cases rather than basket cases needing a economic escape due to failed life choices.

Odessa - this is a funny one - I am currently sat in Odessa as I write this, the closest parallel is probably Las Vegas, its a party town through and through (three limos full of drunk frenchmen just went past waving flags and yelling at 10am). so you get a lot of girls from outlying towns and villages (like LV showgirls) who come here to either work, ply their trade in one way or another or just party party party and live off westerners, a lot of the "chat" girls stems from this inflow of young attractive girls who magnate here (same as LA of LV) and then manage to survive on shopping trips, chat income and western union donations from the legion of foreign adorers.

Now there is an exception which i just proved, if you find a GENUINE i.e born and bred Odessa girl then she is likely to have the same value set as a girl from another city, just as LV natives don't generally run around at 4am in their thongs there is a set of girls here who simply live here but don't have the party lifestyle. The girl i met with was very conservative and would not fit the Odessa stereotype at all, but again as Jack mentioned its better not to deal in such exceptions because finding such a diamond in the rough is exceptionally rare and hard to find and requires you eschewing the agency model and using often local contacts and nous.

Poltova, Dnepro and other Provincial second-tiers - depending on how much of a seasoned traveller you are I generally think they are second trip material, A first time foreigner will have a much easier time getting around somewhere like Kiev or Odessa that is used to foreigners and be more open to problems in small towns that rarely see foreign people, it depends how comfortable you are managing your own situation but generally you will feel much more alien and less comfortable the further from the hubs you go - this is no bad thing but I can remember arriving in Rostov thinking I was in the wild west after several years of visits to UA and RU.

You probably want to avoid scam hubs, but that said my biggest advice is actually to get your own independent translator who is not tied to a agency model and pay them direct then give them a wishlist and allow them to broker meetings for you - generally a lot of freelance translators I know work for several agencies and if you get them on your side they will weed out the wrong un's and make sure you don't come unstuck - having this situation is ideal since the terps see all the girls in different situations and have a very good handle on who is honest and who isn't, the agency doesn't really care who you choose or why as long as they extract dollars from you in quantity - having someone who is paid to look after your own interests is always better than using the agency reps.

Overall regardless of what city you choose your own attitude will determine your outcomes - you can get in a mess in Poltava or Kiev irrespective of their status, if you make an effort to show you are not just a MOB buyer and are actually interested in Ukraine History, culture and people and want to understand something more than just getting a hot blonde then you will get more respect from the locals who accordingly will be more inclined to look out for your interests and steer you in the right direction.

Every trip I have been on I have made good local friends from taxi drivers to shop owners, having a good sense of humor, being realistic about costs and not being obsessed with saving every cent (not that you should be reckless), being respectful of the local way of doing things and not expecting your passport to buy you a victoria secrets model will allow you to roam the country at will

[Kapitanleutnant]

Neo...

That was an excellent post and thank you very much for your insight.   

After reading all the posts on this and other threads, I have decided to it alone vs an agency tour and I will head to Kiev.   Most mentioned to only make it one city for my first visit although the city of Kharkov interests me quite a bit.

Thanks again.

F

[Rubicon]

KL,

like others here, I think you should contact Jack Bragg and talk to him.  he can help you with airport transfers, apartment rentals, quality interpretors at a reasonable cost, and give you good advice.  you do not need to go on one of his tours to benefit from his advice and connections.  also, if you have 15 days vacation, you might consider one week in Kiev and one week in Kharkov.

look forward to reading your trip report when you go!!

[Harb]

I have been to Western Ukraine, I have taken groups of men to Western Ukraine more than once, won't do that again.  Today's western Ukraine is former Poland.  Beautiful Slavic women?  Of course some, but not traditionally.  A lot of  Roman Catholics. Women who are ok with older men?  Not so many.  A LOT of differences between the mindset of the average Western Ukraine women. Of course their are exceptions but I try not to deal with the exceptions and proceed with more of the norm.

Western Ukraine was under Polish administration but not always part of Poland.  Populations were mixed but majority was always Ukrainian.  Western Ukrainians are not Roman Catholic.  We are Greek Catholic.  Big difference. 

We get jobs and move abroad to work and send money home.  Many Western Ukrainians have relatives in Western countries especially U.S., Canada, Britain, Germany, Australia so moving independently is in not unusual to us.  I know lots of Western Ukrainians who married foreigners but usually from diaspora. 



Odessa, which I know very well, is a good city to play and party in, but overall even worse than Kiev for finding a wife.  And yes, of course their are exceptions but I do not deal with the exceptions.   

Kiev is a wonderful, exciting, beautiful city.  Kiev has many wonderful women. Their is NO city in the FSU where the 80-20 rule is more prominent.  80% of all the men, and with the exception of the last two years, a lot of foreign men, seek and go after 20% of the same women. Many of these women in this 20% group started out with the best of intentions but after receiving so many offers from so many wealthy foreign men, many, if not most of these 20% woman have become tainted.

If men would look at those 80% of the women not getting all the attention they will do quite well.  What is the common denominator of these 20% women men are seeking?   Beautiful glamour photos, photos showing cleavage or lot's of leg's.   Of the 80% of the women that men are not seeking if half of those 80% also were to do glamour, sexy photos, they would also be in this 20% group.  This is why it is so important for men to look beyond those sexy photos. Many diamonds are being overlooked.

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[2tallbill]

Guys, for those with experience here......

So I'm asking for some suggestions on cities to visit within the Ukraine.   

Thanks for your input

K

If it were me, I would visit one in the West.

[ML]

First, I don't know where the Ukraine is.

Is it near the China ?

Second, the gals in western Ukraine were never as interested in western men as were gals in central, eastern and southern Ukraine.

[2tallbill]

First, I don't know where the Ukraine is.

Is it near the China ?

It's very close. It's an island off the coast of France. They also call it "The UK" which is 
because it's short for "The Ukraine".

Second, the gals in western Ukraine were never as interested in western men as
were gals in central, eastern and southern Ukraine.

The women in Western Ukraine are interested in love and marriage. There is still a best
before date stamped on the foreheads of 35+ year old women there. I know plenty of
guys who married good girls from that region. They do NOT have a MOB industry there
like they do in the East.

Conversely, I don't remember anyone married to a girl from Nikolaev which is the MOB
Industry Capital. The Hairy Boris's of this world face Nikolaev on their matts and pray
for more money three times per day.

Lastly,

It's close to Poland so if you have to run away from any rockets bursting in air, you don't
have as far too go.

The OP specifically said Ukraine. Moldova or one of the Stans might work out as well.