Difficulty to get a hot young Russian / Eastern European woman?

[SFandEE]

 

[SFandEE]

As you are doing connect with others who can give you some advice so that you won't have to learn everything on your own.  The golden ticket for you is you have some RWD lady friends who want to introduce you to their friends.  I believe she promised to not get you into situations too scary or crazy.

There is downside, mostly money, sometimes physical well being to adventures abroad, but if you keep your wits about you, I expect you will have the time of your life.  I do think it is a good idea to keep your drinking to a minimum so that you aren't vulnerable in that manner.  Pre-negotiate with taxis about fees or find a reputable business.  These rule applies in any big city.  Check out the scam pages on your consulate site, or the American site.  This helped me in a situation in Kyiv that came up and would have helped me in a situation in Budapest.

Hope you get over to Kyiv soon.  The weather will start turning nice--get on that plane.

There is some discussion about your profession as an engineer, great profession.  I am a businessman and asking for business is essential.  When you are out there you are asking for a chance to get to know her a little better, a conversation about Kyiv, or a dance.  Not marriage, so play the numbers game and get into the fun of meeting exotic, intelligent women.  Maybe she has a boyfriend, but she has friends and sisters.  If you aren't a smiler, that helps, so at least be aware of how you project your mood.

[The Natural]

If low self esteem is a problem, might I suggest taking up weight training? It will also make guys more masculine and if combined with good nutrition, lose bodyfat. It increases ones level of testosterone which makes one more assertive.

[mies]

so play the numbers game and get into the fun of meeting exotic, intelligent women

oh, so now he's going to Japan? 

[GQBlues]

If low self esteem is a problem, might I suggest taking up weight training? It will also make guys more masculine and if combined with good nutrition, lose bodyfat. It increases ones level of testosterone which makes one more assertive.

Good post. Although I will add any type of good/intense exercise will do the same...calisthenics, or even yoga is awesome. Or, trikking!

Tha Natural, you don't happen to be acquianted with a fella that goes by the handle 'Andreas', do you?  

[The Natural]

Good post. Although I will add any type of good/intense exercise will do the same...calisthenics, or even yoga is awesome. Or, trikking!

Tha Natural, you don't happen to be acquianted with a fella that goes by the handle 'Andreas', do you?  

No, I don`t really feel that I know anybody here yet as I just joined a few days ago.
Intense exercise can be in different forms, I have also plans to start sprinting once the snow is gone. But yoga is a no-no for me personally, but that`s for religious reasons  :rulez:

[GQBlues]

No biggie but FWIW, Andreas is a Norweigean power lifter we have here on RWD, who also happens to have a keen interest with FSUWs...interesting guy. He had a thread going for a while relating to his lifting...

[SFandEE]

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html#crime

Useful link on things to watch out for.  A few years ago there was a warning about silly people dropping a passport at your feet and then starting a conversation with you about splitting the money they find in the "wallet".  Seems like this is no longer listed, perhaps this is not being done any longer.

[Mike78]

The only wrong thing is my lack of success with them.

Yes my social circle is not large. Furthermore my social circle contains zero women. Just engineers. And no I am not very outgoing although I've tried at bars many times but with no more success than the occasional make out or phone number. I also did a few miserable attempts at approaching women during the day "day game". One time I met a girl at a train though who I dated for a few months.. But in the end due to various reasons I lost motivation with it. Those things happened in the previous town I lived in mostly. In this town there's been a few dates that's led nowhere. And online dating doesn't work too well either for me. In this town there are twice as many guys on the dating sites as girls. After many failures the motivation starts to drop.

Hey bro,

I feel your pain, I've been in similar situation over a year ago; just separated from my ex-wife and largely clueless about dating. I'm relatively young as well (32) so I feel I can relate. Anyways, you lucky bastard, you are in Sweden, a nice rich western country with what they say has one of the hottest girls in the world! I'm stuck here with American piglets Well, not all are porkers, but I can guarantee you Sweden is much much better girl-wise (at least from what I heard). Also I know there are a lot of immigrants in your country if you really can't stand Swedish girls. My point is, save your money that you would spend on a MOB trip to UA or RU since you have it great where you are. Not that it's not easier there (mainly due to lower competition), but seriously, all you need to do right now is to get some confidence and experience I think...

As for you appearance - you are already a good looking guy. However, a little bit of weight training and loosing some weight is going to do wonders for sure. Not only to you appearance, but also confidence (higher test. levels) and well-being. Also I'd suggest using the money you already have and get some nice clothes. Look at GQ magazine etc. for ideas. Or if you have a fashionable female (or gay) friend go shopping with them!

Get some new interesting hobbies. Maybe a sport you might like (will help you lose weight as well), or something where you can meet women - Salsa dancing, yoga, etc. You said you have quite a bit of money saved up - go travel to interesting places (and you can meet local girls as well). You can meet nice girls (and expand your social circle) through groups on meetup.com as well.

Now since you don't have any girls in your immediate social circle you'll have to do some approaching or so it seems. Get in the mood, hang out with your buddies, have a few drinks (always helps me) and maybe look around and do some good eye contact and throw a smile at a nice girl. If you feel she might be interested even just a little bit (e.g. smiles back) go talk to her, don't wait. Or casually chat up a girl at the bar when buying a beer.
Now many (most) of them will reject you, some of them will be outright b!tches. Don't worry about that and don't let it set you back! This is probably the most important thing. Many girls get approached a lot and some just don't like it. Like my current GF, she is a very nice girl but she would brush off (even when she was single) any guy (no exceptions) that would approach her. Sometimes even quite harshly. Bottom line is, you don't know the reason why they are rejecting you so don't let that get to you. You will need this as you will have to put in the numbers to succeed. It's like that for almost every guy, trust me. Just be laid back, casual, non-needy and without expectations and good things will happen. And put in the numbers!

As for online dating, it seems like in Sweden it's similar to USA (or pretty much anywhere else, haha). But I bet the quality is a lot higher in SWE at least than here. It's not easy, but definitely possible. Do it as a supplement, definitely try to meet girls in other ways as well. But for online the picture is by far the most important. Get nice clothes and hire a pro or semi-pro photographer and get a good photoshoot. Select 3 best pics for you profile. You'll need an interesting profile text as well - nothing too long, bt something that portrays you as an interesting, fun guy with a sense of humor. It's essentially a self-marketing. Then I would suggest a good generic introduction that you will spam to a LOT of girls. Something that will stand out. The subject line should stand out as well so that she even opens the message. Browse the website quickly, look at the pictures, maybe some factual info (like education, religion, etc.), but don't waste too much time reading their profiles. Read it AFTER they write you back. Most of them will not so don't waste your time. To effectively spam a lot of messages you can use browser plugins like iMacros to mass-mail even more effectively. After you get a conversation going, remember that the objective online is to meet in real life, so don't talk for too long. And if I said to put in the numbers in my previous paragraph, for online it's even more important. Put in A LOT of numbers. A lot. Do it as an industrial machine.

Well, hope this helps somewhat. All of this is from my own experience. And have multiple girls going at the same time; it will make you non-dependent on any particular girl and thus you will naturally act and look less needy and more attractive.

And don't get married anytime soon! Get experience with many different girls so you know what you really like. Well, maybe you will find one that will really do it for you. Just please don't sell yourself too low bro!

As for going to FSU - yeah why not. St Pete is close enough, should be a cheap flight. Go for a party weekend with some friends. You can even meet some girls online so that you have something going right away when you land. Just be relaxed and most importantly have fun!

And dude, you are so lucky you are in Sweden, I seriously envy you...

[Aloe]

I like this guy's photos    http://www.hookchasup.com/ If you put him in his usual setting, he is probably gonna look not so great, but he got some great photos done and nice commentary to them, that's a good way of selling yourself, while also showing what's important for you (not to mention he's awarding 10k to the person who introduces him to his future wife )

[Viking456]

Thanks for all the feedback.. Thinking of going to Kiev in the summer. Someone mentioned there being  many more ladies than men in the clubs during the winters.. But how is it during the summer months?

I'm thinking of going in June perhaps.. Or maybe May or July.

[Viking456]

Hey bro,

I feel your pain, I've been in similar situation over a year ago; just separated from my ex-wife and largely clueless about dating. I'm relatively young as well (32) so I feel I can relate. Anyways, you lucky bastard, you are in Sweden, a nice rich western country with what they say has one of the hottest girls in the world! I'm stuck here with American piglets Well, not all are porkers, but I can guarantee you Sweden is much much better girl-wise (at least from what I heard). Also I know there are a lot of immigrants in your country if you really can't stand Swedish girls. My point is, save your money that you would spend on a MOB trip to UA or RU since you have it great where you are. Not that it's not easier there (mainly due to lower competition), but seriously, all you need to do right now is to get some confidence and experience I think...

As for you appearance - you are already a good looking guy. However, a little bit of weight training and loosing some weight is going to do wonders for sure. Not only to you appearance, but also confidence (higher test. levels) and well-being. Also I'd suggest using the money you already have and get some nice clothes. Look at GQ magazine etc. for ideas. Or if you have a fashionable female (or gay) friend go shopping with them!

Get some new interesting hobbies. Maybe a sport you might like (will help you lose weight as well), or something where you can meet women - Salsa dancing, yoga, etc. You said you have quite a bit of money saved up - go travel to interesting places (and you can meet local girls as well). You can meet nice girls (and expand your social circle) through groups on meetup.com as well.

Now since you don't have any girls in your immediate social circle you'll have to do some approaching or so it seems. Get in the mood, hang out with your buddies, have a few drinks (always helps me) and maybe look around and do some good eye contact and throw a smile at a nice girl. If you feel she might be interested even just a little bit (e.g. smiles back) go talk to her, don't wait. Or casually chat up a girl at the bar when buying a beer.
Now many (most) of them will reject you, some of them will be outright b!tches. Don't worry about that and don't let it set you back! This is probably the most important thing. Many girls get approached a lot and some just don't like it. Like my current GF, she is a very nice girl but she would brush off (even when she was single) any guy (no exceptions) that would approach her. Sometimes even quite harshly. Bottom line is, you don't know the reason why they are rejecting you so don't let that get to you. You will need this as you will have to put in the numbers to succeed. It's like that for almost every guy, trust me. Just be laid back, casual, non-needy and without expectations and good things will happen. And put in the numbers!

As for online dating, it seems like in Sweden it's similar to USA (or pretty much anywhere else, haha). But I bet the quality is a lot higher in SWE at least than here. It's not easy, but definitely possible. Do it as a supplement, definitely try to meet girls in other ways as well. But for online the picture is by far the most important. Get nice clothes and hire a pro or semi-pro photographer and get a good photoshoot. Select 3 best pics for you profile. You'll need an interesting profile text as well - nothing too long, bt something that portrays you as an interesting, fun guy with a sense of humor. It's essentially a self-marketing. Then I would suggest a good generic introduction that you will spam to a LOT of girls. Something that will stand out. The subject line should stand out as well so that she even opens the message. Browse the website quickly, look at the pictures, maybe some factual info (like education, religion, etc.), but don't waste too much time reading their profiles. Read it AFTER they write you back. Most of them will not so don't waste your time. To effectively spam a lot of messages you can use browser plugins like iMacros to mass-mail even more effectively. After you get a conversation going, remember that the objective online is to meet in real life, so don't talk for too long. And if I said to put in the numbers in my previous paragraph, for online it's even more important. Put in A LOT of numbers. A lot. Do it as an industrial machine.

Well, hope this helps somewhat. All of this is from my own experience. And have multiple girls going at the same time; it will make you non-dependent on any particular girl and thus you will naturally act and look less needy and more attractive.

And don't get married anytime soon! Get experience with many different girls so you know what you really like. Well, maybe you will find one that will really do it for you. Just please don't sell yourself too low bro!

As for going to FSU - yeah why not. St Pete is close enough, should be a cheap flight. Go for a party weekend with some friends. You can even meet some girls online so that you have something going right away when you land. Just be relaxed and most importantly have fun!

And dude, you are so lucky you are in Sweden, I seriously envy you...

Thanks for the tips.. I've tried the "game" thing and made pretty many approaches on bars.. Even a few in daylight (day game).. Have had some minor successes with phone numbers and dates in my previous town during night game.

In this town I've only tried online dating and have had a few dates.  In the old town I lived in there were more guys than women at the night clubs but here it is even more so. Here I've had almost no success in night clubs, just a phone number I think.

The advice about the online profile is good and I've thought about it but not gotten to it (getting professional photos).. The profile could be better as well.. There are twice as many guys as girls on the dating site from my town which is a bit demotivating and the response ration from girls is low so far. No hot ones reply and even the not so hot ones are picky.

Yeah maybe I could find a girlfriend through practicing my social ability and in the past a few girls have been interested in me.. But I don't want to do that *snip* forever really.. It takes a lot of effort even to get a chance with a mediocre girl. Maybe if I moved to one of the three largest cities in Sweden it would be better.

I am dancing by the way.. Asked a few girls to join me at dance activities but they had excuses. Might ask one of them later on who seemed a bit interested in me.

Also, my energy isn't that high at the moment due to poor sleep and pretty a demanding job. Plus checking out a lot of investments in my spare time, hoping to get rich one day.  My habits are unfortunately not that good for being a social guy. Maybe I need to change them somehow. In my current low energy state I'd probably not have much success at clubs.

[Mike78]

I like this guy's photos    http://www.hookchasup.com/ If you put him in his usual setting, he is probably gonna look not so great, but he got some great photos done and nice commentary to them, that's a good way of selling yourself, while also showing what's important for you (not to mention he's awarding 10k to the person who introduces him to his future wife )

Wow, those are some seriously good pictures, magazine quality, especially with the captions over them. The whole website looks very, very professional. And a pretty good idea if you don't have the time but you have the money. I'm sure this guy will be quite succesful if he can follow up succesfuly on the actual dates. But you can see how competitive the online dating is for males in USA (and probably in the West in genral) due to skewed gender ratio. You really have to stand out and put in the numbers to succeed. But IMHO standing out is not that hard since most guys' photos and profiles really suck and they send incredibly lame boring messages.

Here are some links to good articles about photos in online profiles, also this blog has many other useful articles as well:


http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/dont-be-ugly-by-accident/
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/

[Mike78]

Thanks for the tips.. I've tried the "game" thing and made pretty many approaches on bars.. Even a few in daylight (day game).. Have had some minor successes with phone numbers and dates in my previous town during night game.

In this town I've only tried online dating and have had a few dates.  In the old town I lived in there were more guys than women at the night clubs but here it is even more so. Here I've had almost no success in night clubs, just a phone number I think.

The advice about the online profile is good and I've thought about it but not gotten to it (getting professional photos).. The profile could be better as well.. There are twice as many guys as girls on the dating site from my town which is a bit demotivating and the response ration from girls is low so far. No hot ones reply and even the not so hot ones are picky.

Yeah maybe I could find a girlfriend through practicing my social ability and in the past a few girls have been interested in me.. But I don't want to do that *snip* forever really.. It takes a lot of effort even to get a chance with a mediocre girl. Maybe if I moved to one of the three largest cities in Sweden it would be better.

I am dancing by the way.. Asked a few girls to join me at dance activities but they had excuses. Might ask one of them later on who seemed a bit interested in me.

Also, my energy isn't that high at the moment due to poor sleep and pretty a demanding job. Plus checking out a lot of investments in my spare time, hoping to get rich one day.  My habits are unfortunately not that good for being a social guy. Maybe I need to change them somehow. In my current low energy state I'd probably not have much success at clubs.

How big of a city/metro area do you live in? I live in a metro area of 4+ million people so carpet bombing (mass mailing of good, but generic opener) is a viable strategy. If you live in a less populated area then more personal approach might be viable. Sometimes I actually used a mix of these 2 approaches - to girls I really liked and had things in common I would send a personalized message (maybe 5 girls per session) and carpet bombed the rest, but in short I really find it demotivating to write up a message and girl doesn't even respond. Copy/paste doesn't take almost any time so it's not that demotivating.
Anyways, I didn't like online dating here in America that much since most girls I met were simply too chubby for me, I like them quite skinny. Many times the pics are shot in a way that hides this. Here it's better to go out and meet the girls in person, many hot girls in the Scottsdale clubs. But online worked really really well when I queued up girls in Slovakia where I was visiting last summer...
As for your trip to Ukraine - might be fun, but remember that it's not that easy for a UA girl to come to visit you and it's even harder for her to stay, what are you gonna do if you find a girl that you do like?. I'd strongly suggest Eastern European EU countries, they have plenty of good talent. Not only it will be very easy for both of you to visit each other, but she can simply pack up and move to Sweden when it gets serious. Baltic countries come to mind - very close to Sweden (airfares must be dime a dozen, you could be there every weekend), many hotties and EU membership. Probably not as easy as UA, but you're young and good looking so this doesn't matter all that much IMHO. Plus the girls in EU countries are more likely to have more money so you will not have to completely support them (which you shouldn't be doing too much as she should sacrifice something as well, she will only like you better for it). Example of this - I had a hot Slovakian girl visiting me here in Arizona last fall and she bought her own plane ticket (almost 800 EUR), but I covered the cost of traveling when she was here (this wasn't really all that much though).

[GQBlues]

Mike-

You and Viking would be the perfect duo, man. Kosice is less than 1.000 km to Kyiv. You two should hook up and either take the train or freakin' drive a car to Kyiv. You can even stop along the way to places like Lviv, etc...then you can go and check out the local talent all the way through  

Last I was in SL, I had my sights set on Ukraine as my next stop, plotted the course and started networking on Virtual Tourist, but ran into RWG instead (one member gave me the link and told me to surf the site to get in-depth info on FSU) So I ended planning of going going to Russia instead. The rest is history...  

But being you both are roughly the same age, single (quasi for you Mike) and now is as good a time as any, yah know...

Life's an Adventure. Take 2-3 weeks. Hook-up at Bratislava, spend 2 days in SL. Catch a train at Kosice, then....

Heck, maybe Viking can even show you around Sweden's hotspots, etc...and you to him in Scottsdale (or Havasu during holiday weekends. You know how good that is), man. Live it up and blaze your trails, boys...

[mies]

Thanks for all the feedback.. Thinking of going to Kiev in the summer. Someone mentioned there being  many more ladies than men in the clubs during the winters.. But how is it during the summer months?

I'm thinking of going in June perhaps.. Or maybe May or July.

it depends on which clubs you go to. If you are going to "glamorous clubs" with prodaters (those clubs are commonly frequented by foreign tourists), you will usually see more women than men there, and proportionally more so during summertime (more tourists, more women). Which kind of makes sense: there always are more women who want money, than men who have money.
If you are going to "clubs to have fun" - it doesn't really make much difference whether it's winter or summer, and gender composition is roughly 50/50. Overall summer is a bit slower on nightlife because people are going to vacations, traveling, or trying to spend more time outside. Some clubs have two locations: winter location in downtown Kiev, and summer location - on the river, in "Hydropark". The semi-outdoor clubs at Hydropark are the best for summertime. You can meet sunrise at the beach, with a girl if you are lucky. Very romantic (clubs are open until 6am, in some clubs if you come around 10-11pm, it can be almost empty, and it gets most crowded at 1:30-3:00am)

you can look at the photos grouped by club, and decide which club has the "vibe" that appeals most to you:
http://nightlife.tochka.net/gallery/
http://photo.topdj.ua/

also, end of June is usually very hot and humid in Kyiv. I would probably advise traveling end of May-early June.  

[Speedbump]

When I was in Kiev, I noticed the the bars and dance clubs were overwhelmingly female in the early hours of the evening. I noticed the men seemed to arrive in big numbers around midnight. I do not know why that was the case. One Ukrainian friend said the men drink at home to save money.

So I would suggest you get an early start!

[Viking456]

it depends on which clubs you go to. If you are going to "glamorous clubs" with prodaters (those clubs are commonly frequented by foreign tourists), you will usually see more women than men there, and proportionally more so during summertime (more tourists, more women).  

Hmm.. I guess pro-daters are out to meet money in some way. How is it possible to recognize and avoid pro-daters?

[mies]

When I was in Kiev, I noticed the the bars and dance clubs were overwhelmingly female in the early hours of the evening. I noticed the men seemed to arrive in big numbers around midnight. I do not know why that was the case. One Ukrainian friend said the men drink at home to save money.

So I would suggest you get an early start!

i can't speak for all places, but with the clubs works same rule as with concerts. First few hours there is a "warm-up" music, then around midnight good dj's come.
I've heard the explanation like you are giving about clubs in Norway, from Norwegian people. They say "we drink at home to save money". Alcohol isn't too expensive in most of Kiev pubs/clubs, not prohibitively. And those young people who want to save money - usually step out of the club, go to the nearest 24/7 liquor store, buy few bottles of champagne (or vodka), champagne usually goes a bottle per person. Drink it on the street outside the store, and go back to the club. That's a "cheap recipe". As per my observation, there is always a 24/7 supermarket or a liquor store walking distance - maximum one block - away from any club in Kiev.  Men who care about their "pontY" (russian slang for image/appearance), of course will drink only in a club. If they don't drink in a club, it sort of defies the whole purpose of going to club to show off.  

[mies]

Hmm.. I guess pro-daters are out to meet money in some way. How is it possible to recognize and avoid pro-daters?

you'll know when you see them

As for your trip to Ukraine - might be fun, but remember that it's not that easy for a UA girl to come to visit you and it's even harder for her to stay, what are you gonna do if you find a girl that you do like?. I'd strongly suggest Eastern European EU countries, they have plenty of good talent. Not only it will be very easy for both of you to visit each other, but she can simply pack up and move to Sweden when it gets serious. Baltic countries come to mind - very close to Sweden (airfares must be dime a dozen, you could be there every weekend), many hotties and EU membership. Probably not as easy as UA, but you're young and good looking so this doesn't matter all that much IMHO. Plus the girls in EU countries are more likely to have more money so you will not have to completely support them (which you shouldn't be doing too much as she should sacrifice something as well, she will only like you better for it). Example of this - I had a hot Slovakian girl visiting me here in Arizona last fall and she bought her own plane ticket (almost 800 EUR), but I covered the cost of traveling when she was here (this wasn't really all that much though).

all true.

[peibol77]

On how hard it is to get a girl from the East... Well, I can say you won't get one just by writing stuff in a forum!  But you certainly can get some via some sites. Although in the end it all comes down to you and your ability with treating a girl how she wants to be treated, whether Russian, Japanese or Swedish. In any case, check luckylovers (http://www.luckylovers.net) if you want my advice on a good place to find nice & real contacts, they even give you free membership.

[Aloe]

On how hard it is to get a girl from the East... Well, I can say you won't get one just by writing stuff in a forum! 

Says who? There is at least one couple who met via this forum, and if i were single, i'd definitely fish on this forum  Cuz you get to know someone a lot more intimately here when they are opening all their cards While on other websites they try to impress you and hide all their insecurities

[Viking456]

you'll know when you see them

Because they are too good looking? Or do you mean regular hookers..

Hmm.. Maybe Kiev is too hot to visit in July? Otherwise I might have had a greater chance of bringing a friend at that time.

[Jumper]

Not by how attractive they are..
by actions ,mannerisms , how they present themselves or act,
mies is right ..it isn't that difficult to see,
if a woman is working  a room,,or working you as a professional dater..

as far as a good time to go,  anytime that you can!
  if you are interested.. I wouldn't worry over that.

Personally I'd go when it's nice weather,but have been there in the middle of winter and its is still a great city to visit.
Its a city of millions ,if you are going to sight see and possibly meet some women , the time frame isn't critical.
 
 I was in Kiev last July..granted  was with someone and was not looking,
nor do i frequent clubs..just holds little interest for me.
The weather was perfect, and had a great time visiting the sights there.

You would have little trouble meeting women there , especially if you contacted some first..

I rented a flat from a member here Jack, (owns the agency First Dream)
right down town, right near krashatik, great location and price.
(beats a hotel any day )

My advice, as always is to just go,
its will be  a good trip regardless ,and no amount of preparation or reading will ever be the
learning experience a week or two there would be.
(i'd also include a trip to a provincial city that interested you ,to get a better idea)

once back you'd have  a better understanding, and could decide if that is something you want
to pursue, and give you some insight into the culture, the situation, which can help you if  using various dating sites or agencies to meet through.

[Mike78]

Mike-

You and Viking would be the perfect duo, man. Kosice is less than 1.000 km to Kyiv. You two should hook up and either take the train or freakin' drive a car to Kyiv. You can even stop along the way to places like Lviv, etc...then you can go and check out the local talent all the way through  

Last I was in SL, I had my sights set on Ukraine as my next stop, plotted the course and started networking on Virtual Tourist, but ran into RWG instead (one member gave me the link and told me to surf the site to get in-depth info on FSU) So I ended planning of going going to Russia instead. The rest is history...  

But being you both are roughly the same age, single (quasi for you Mike) and now is as good a time as any, yah know...

Life's an Adventure. Take 2-3 weeks. Hook-up at Bratislava, spend 2 days in SL. Catch a train at Kosice, then....

Heck, maybe Viking can even show you around Sweden's hotspots, etc...and you to him in Scottsdale (or Havasu during holiday weekends. You know how good that is), man. Live it up and blaze your trails, boys...

Haha, sounds like fun. But I don't really plan on going to Eastern Europe beyond Slovakia anytime soon unfortunately. If I went on a single guy vacation I'd choose Southeastern Asia over FSU for sure. Mostly because the part of the world is just more appealing to me. And from what I heard if you are young attractive white guy it's very easy with the local girls over there...