Differing Money Mentalities

[vwrw]

Siberia, Thanks for  voicing your view on the issue. I believe you are right and distrust in banks may prevent Russians from making saving deposits. High inflation  is also discouraging. I have vague memory about exchange of old money for new money. During that event, you could exchange only certain amount and other money became invalid. Such history certainly does not appear encouraging for savers. For a while, savers thought that keeping their “fortunes” in dollars was a good solution, but the dollars unexpected fluctuations undermined this belief too.

Grylden and my darling, you both also made a good points. Surroundings and cultural norms are important factors that may have impact on attitude toward money.

Another factor is that Russians give much more weight to how a person is dressed and what car s/he drives when they try to determine how to treat the person. In American,  I feel I am treated the same way regardless of whether I am wearing expensive outfit or not. In Russia, you often can get condescending looks if people perceive you are dressed cheaply. The same  condescending looks people with yellow or  bad teeth get here. I think in America whiteness and condition of your teeth often are noted when people make guesses about you.  Nobody enjoys condescending looks  so Americans suffer from teeth sensitivity but whiten them regularly; Russians alternate oatmeal with potato but buy expensive coats and shoes.   

[Gator]

Would it be moral for a woman to use a dildo bought for her by one man while having sex with another?   What does RWD community  think on that matter?

It was a gift.  It belongs to her.  It is hers to decide how and when to use.  However, she should not inform either man - in the same manner that the man should not tell her that the dildo was used by his former girlfriend.   

And should she buy a dildo using money given for food?

A "good man" will give enough money for both food and dildoes. 

[OlgaH]

Russians alternate oatmeal with potato but buy expensive coats and shoes.  

Oatmeal and buckwheat are much healthier than McDonald's and Burger King  

[Ranetka]

  However, she should not inform either man - in the same manner that the man should not tell her that the dildo was used by his former girlfriend.   

ewwww:-(

How can you even consider this Gator?

A woman will always buy a new dildo for her new boyfriend, to use the old one on him would certainly be neither moral nor hygienic.


 

[vwrw]

It's more about the situation at hand than whether one will walk to save a buck. It's more about the attitude given the situation that I was alluding to.

No RM I know would have said that to his woman and would have flipped the extra 30 ru to satisfy the kid at that particular time without fail and without a second thought.  

Okay Chivo, now I can see that in my previous post I interpreted your words not the way as you intended them. Your point is that it is common with westerners to sweat over saving a buck while courting a woman, whereas no RM would do that. I cannot say I agree with your statement, but I am somewhat not inspired to argue for my position on this issue, so I will leave it as it is.   

[SFandEE]

We "live" off of my income (retired military) and some other things I have done to provide for my family.
I will receive a paycheck for the rest of my life, unfortunately my wife will not.
She has been here and worked here long enough to understand that the Social Security system will probably become insolvent thanks to Barack and company when her turn comes to retire (after paying into it for X amount of years ).

I
GOB

I do not understand why posters insist on making political statements on threads such as this and I find it humorous that a person with a lifetime pension from the US government has an issue with government spending.  No intention to inflame those who feel they have done a good job getting the most money out of their sucker of an employer, just find it funny and on this thread unnecessary.  I do not care what you think about Obama or Bush.  Republican, Democrat discussions are not relevant to this discussion.  Wish you former soldiers could figure out Social Security the same way you found out how to bring victory to this great nation in our many wars.

[vwrw]

Oatmeal and buckwheat are much healthier than McDonald's and Burger King 

Olga, you are certainly correct and diet is an important consideration for those who want to go into the grave while being healthy.  Как в глупой шутке говорится – кто не курит и не пьет то здоровеньким помрет.

[vwrw]

... values may change upon arrival in the west.  But are the values that change the very basic 'core values,' or something lesser?

My current belief is that all values are subject to change.
Please define what are the very basic core values, or it would be even better if you provide a list of the core values .

[Gator]

ewwww:-(

How can you even consider this Gator?

Sometimes I can not control my warped sense of humor.

[OlgaH]

Olga, you are certainly correct and diet is an important consideration for those who want to go into the grave while being healthy.   Как в глупой шутке говорится – кто не курит и не пьет то здоровеньким помрет.

Yes, I agree with you it's a pity to die being absolutely healthy   But being healthy or not in the grave and how soon you will be there also depends on a diet in some way

As one Russia man said: A man of course can live eating just cabbage, but most likely he will not be able to have children  

[Gator]

What you said about dildos:

It is only their business and all others can choke with their puritanism, conservatism, complexes and any other reasons they have   

also applies to a couple's private and personal  decisions about money.  If both are comfortable with money and how it is spent, even if it is not how someone else would do it, then good for them.

[Vaughn]

I'm no cheapskate (just ask my wife) BUT I've been guilty on at least two occasions
of giving that appearance while in the FSU....

Trip One. We'd only been face to face maybe 30 minutes before we were sitting in the back of a taxi
heading into Moscow. It crossed my mind that maybe I hadn't bought enough local currency to see us
through the next day and a half. So I ran a quick spot check of my wallet. She said nothing until a week
later  but I'll never forget her words: "Vaw-gun, when you checked money in taxi, I thought you to
be cheapskate" (in so many words...) We had a good laugh about it.

Last summer, my brother-in-law and I took our wives to a disco where we met 4 more of their lady friends.
As the evening ended, I slipped him a 5,000 ruble note, which would more than cover the tab. Later, he passed
me a wad of smaller bills in change. Instead of just jamming them into my pocket, I flipped through them quickly -
not to calculate my share of the evening's "damage" but more out of curiosity. No big deal. One woman sitting next
to me made wide eyes at my wife, who reminded me of the Moscow taxi blunder many years ago.

Just throwing that out here for those who have an inventory habit. Keep it most discrete.

The German guy and the young kid's ice cream ~ hard to defend the German. Pennypincher.

[OlgaH]

What you said about dildos:

also applies to a couple's private and personal  decisions about money.  If both are comfortable with money and how it is spent, even if it is not how someone else would do it, then good for them.

Gator I think it applies to any privet and personal decision if both are comfortable  

[GoodOlBoy]

Wish you former soldiers could figure out Social Security the same way you found out how to bring victory to this great nation in our many wars.

Soldiers Marines
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9255.msg175770#msg175770

"Interesting ending, some might comment was it worth it, or I told you so.  But it has been my experience that these type of people have never tried anything in life."
 
GOB

[SFandEE]

marines, soldiers, airmen, sailor, guardsmen, warriors, special ops--there is no way I could know what your tribe is.  Is there a generic name appropriate for ex-military?

I don't follow the purpose of the link you provided for this thread

As a marine I imagine you have been trained that you are superior to others.  Perhaps the comment indicates that includes the citizens of your own nation.  Pride in being a marine is well established.  I am proud of what I have accomplished in my life and perhaps I can add not allowing myself to be paid to do things for which I would be ashamed.  Following orders has never been a reason I would use to justify my behavior.  What do you think you mean by never trying anything in life?

I was trying more to challenge the value of inserting off topic political comments.  I question why the politics need to be in this thread and not get it taken offline with the politics of whether or not President Obama is managing the finances of the United States the way marines like him to do.  My only hope for posting what I did would be that political posts in non-political threads be reduced, dare I hope eliminated.  Anything I wrote that detracted from that is unfortunate and I am happy to remove if necessary.

[SFandEE]

Last summer, my brother-in-law and I took our wives to a disco where we met 4 more of their lady friends.
As the evening ended, I slipped him a 5,000 ruble note, which would more than cover the tab. Later, he passed
me a wad of smaller bills in change. Instead of just jamming them into my pocket, I flipped through them quickly -
not to calculate my share of the evening's "damage" but more out of curiosity. No big deal. One woman sitting next
to me made wide eyes at my wife, who reminded me of the Moscow taxi blunder many years ago.

I wonder about this behavior myself, because it seems almost to be instinct or at least hard wired training.  So many times I witness this behavior.  Change given--either an insignificant amount or clearly correctly given and a recount before placing in a money clip or pocket.  It sounds like in FSU counting money openly can be bad form or seen as "greedy".  Good to know.

[GoodOlBoy]

I am proud of what I have accomplished in my life and perhaps I can add not allowing myself to be paid to do things for which I would be ashamed. 

Tell your boy Sculpto, GOB says "hey" next time you talk to him.

GOB

[SFandEE]

I regret that I am perceived by some in the same politics as Scultpo--I most definitely do not share his politics and have had my contact with him almost exclusively through RWD.  We do not have the same political beliefs.  

I am not Sean Hannity either.  Just trying to understand three wars--one of which is quite protracted with no end in sight.  I can understand the business side of that war, but not the value it provides citizens.  I have heard stories posted here and in my life that it is a great gig for contractors, real good pay, tax free.  Don't really understand how that is helpful in our current financial condition and so that is probably why I might be perceived wrongly for challenging being in a constant state of war.  More war in my lifetime than non-war.   Seems like a lot of war.

To that end why are politics being discussed on "Differing Money Mentalities" thread?

[ML]

Why only when her man is not available? There are many articles on using sex toys during sex. If a man enjoys watching his woman playing with a dildo and it gives her pleasure too, I think there is nothing wrong.
It is only their business and all others can choke with their puritanism, conservatism, complexes and any other reasons they have   

Olga, actually I quite agree with you.  I didn't go further with my original post on that matter because I knew I would be crucified.

But as a protected species here, you can freely say it; good for you.

I could post some very interesting events on this sex toy use by the man and woman from my last trip to Turkey . . . but then I would be responsible for several heart attacks, so I shall refrain. 

But I can tell you that the woman has repeated her thanks to me several times (and continues to do so) for this new chapter in her life. 

And, oh the funny stories when she went through customs control on her way back!!   
   

[ML]

ewwww:-(

How can you even consider this Gator?

A woman will always buy a new dildo for her new boyfriend, to use the old one on him would certainly be neither moral nor hygienic.

 

Doesn't your position lead to a waste of products if the old boyfriend will never again be in the picture?  Or maybe there should be a requirement that this instrument be given to him (her) to take along with all the dirty T shirts, etc.

And maybe there is a place that such can be returned, cleaned and recycled; something  like the printer ink refills, etc.  What about some sort of indicator of total usage like the toothbrushes that change color over time, etc.?

[ML]

My current belief is that all values are subject to change.
Please define what are the very basic core values, or it would be even better if you provide a list of the core values .

Gylden was the first to use the term here, so I shall defer to him.

[SFandEE]

I am in listening mode on this turn on the topic--I had always imagined that shared toys with different partners is not appropriate, but maybe there is a way of sterilizing adequately although some viruses are quite resilient.  I have this image of a nurse placing her favorite toy in an autoclave.

[ML]

I am in listening mode on this turn on the topic--I had always imagined that shared toys with different partners is not appropriate, but maybe there is a way of sterilizing adequately although some viruses are quite resilient.  I have this image of a nurse placing her favorite toy in an autoclave.

Let me make sure you knew I was only joking about this cleaning and reuse concept!!

[OlgaH]

But as a protected species here, you can freely say it; good for you.

a protected species? Are you serious? because if you are kidding it is a cruel joke. I cry 

[GoodOlBoy]

Last summer, my brother-in-law and I took our wives to a disco where we met 4 more of their lady friends......  One woman sitting next to me made wide eyes at my wife, who reminded me of the Moscow taxi blunder many years ago.

Wow!
It really is a small world Vaughn.
My BIL (Sergei) also helped me many moons ago setup Marinas' and my engagement party (not at a disco ) in Omsk.

I will never forget that night.

In the middle of the celebration at a VERY nice restaurant in Omsk, my MIL looked at me (straight in the face), focusing  on my eyes and asked me if I was serious about marrying her daughter (with Marina translating).

It was really a very sobering moment for GOB!!

When I paid Sergei for the party, he gave me the amount left over and instead of just stuffing it in my pocket, I looked at it.

BIG mistake!

GOB