Dr. Phil Show Attacks International Marriages Friday

[OlgaH]

Dan,  Robert and I completed the survey from our emails and we both got "Confirmation of completed survey" on the same day. That's why I asked the question.  And there was not any need to mention  "sufficient intellect" 

[Admin]

Dan,  Robert and I completed the survey from our emails and we both got "Confirmation of completed survey" on the same day. That's why I asked the question. 

Olga - that means that you completed the survey successfully, and that Robert (separately) completed the survey successfully. As you know if you read the report and other information I provided upthread, the survey sought input from individuals. There were no stats intended or produced that focused on specific "couples" per se. Since the focus was on individual inputs, it did not matter if two separate individuals within a single household each completed the survey, as that was, in fact, desired.

I hope that is clearer.

And BTW - when the consultant reviewed responses, there were some that were eliminated due to questions about the IP address (or other anomalies), and ANY time there was a question as to validity, that input was summarily eliminated from the responses.

- Dan

[OlgaH]

That's fine, Dan, and clear. Thank you.

[Daveman]

K1/K3 stats and info split off to here:


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13489.0

[GQBlues]

Speaking of marriages (again), I'm not sure if this was covered before but apparently the US Census did reported that 75% of US marriages stayed married after 10 years...
 
Not bad, all things considered.
 
Now if all the fat Pattys will just stay out of the wives closets and play Missus while she's gone, marriages may actually last even longer... 
 

[BillyB]

Doll,

The most definitive study ever conducted regarding cross-cultural marriage and divorce may be found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html.



There is simply no better information anywhere.

That study places the divorce rate in cross-cultural marriages at 40.76 % - which is less than the domestic divorce rate of 50%.
 

I read a lot of people comparing this chart to the domestic divorce rate and that's wrong.
 
Most men in this endeavor have been divorce one or more times and that is the guy in the chart above. The average divorce rate for married men who's already been divorced once is 65% and twice is 85%. That is with second and third marriages to domestic women. Even if Dan's chart is off by 20%, it's still better to marry a foreign woman than domestic.
 
All one has to do is look at the dating pool of domestic women and RW. RW on average look much better, have good education, and more mentally mature. Domestic women more often than RW talk about their tattoos, piercings, being 420 friendly(like to smoke dope) and being BBW(big beautiful woman). Many domestic women let themselves go but have in in their head their failings are accually something to be proud about.
 
 

GOB's only problem with a 40 something yr old man marrying an 18 yr old teenager is the fact that he started contacting her when she was 16 years old.

I've been gone over a month and you still have a hard on for me?
 
If you want people to respect you and feel like lying, it's best to shut your mouth.
 
If you can't shut your mouth and tell the truth, it's best to give people a link to the truth which I posted in my thread.
 
I don't know why you and Kuna keep telling people lies? I guess some of the people with reading comprehension problems will believe you?
 
If anybody is worried I'm going to marry an 18 yo RW, you need not worry anymore. That WILL NOT HAPPEN. An event occurred in the past month and what has happened is irreversible. I can't change the past nor will I try to change the past because it's not worth my time and effort. My fiancee had a birthday. She's not 18 anymore.
 
GoB, did you ever explain to the forum why you download other people's photos including those people you consider children?
 
 

Is it REALLY true that your "ONLY problem" was the age she was first contacted?

GoB has other problems. His wife locks him in the computer room every night to torture RWD. Smart woman. I couldn't live with him and his bad attitude either.
 

[Boethius]

All one has to do is look at the dating pool of domestic women and RW. RW on average look much better, have good education, and more mentally mature. Domestic women more often than RW talk about their tattoos, piercings, being 420 friendly(like to smoke dope) and being BBW(big beautiful woman). Many domestic women let themselves go but have in in their head their failings are accually something to be proud about.

Or, short chunky domestic men search abroad for 17 year olds knowing that in their home county, where 17 year olds who are not tattooed/pierced/dopesmokers/or "BBW" (and, these non tattooed/pierced etc. girls constitute the majority of 17 year old American girls) would either ignore them, run in the opposite direction, or threaten a police file.

Yet another justification.  At least be honest with yourself.  You may want to start by refamiliarizing yourself with JR's posts.

[Jooky]

I read a lot of people comparing this chart to the domestic divorce rate and
that's wrong.

It's wrong, but not for the reasons you posted.
The cross cultural survey does not measure divorce rate in the same way that US yearly divorce rates are calculated (which are typically either a simple ratio of number of divorces per number of marriages in a year, or a more complex projection based on long term data). Because they were not measure in the same way these 'divorce rates' should not be compared at all.
I pointed this out to Dan a while back and he was generous enough to share the data for this survey with me. With Dan's permission, I can dig up my observations from the data.
As I recall, they don't paint a pretty picture at all for the longevity of marriages made through 'marriage brokers' for FSU/Western couples.
 

[BC]

Comparing two different surveys, apples to apples is impossible.  One can only get a rough idea of what might be happening.

To truly do such a survey comparing the divorce factor, one would have to randomly survey many thousands of couples whether married to international partners or not.  A statistically valid number of international couples would have to be present within the randomly selected sample base in order to achieve numbers with a reasonable margin of error.

Of course doing so would have a huge cost, even prohibitive considering such marriages are needles in a huge haystack.

I'm sure if Dan would have had the resources to do it that way he would have, but lacking it gave his best honest shot. The survey does provide good data within the group of those surveyed and the sample size is statistically valid for cross cultural marriages.

Billy's comment:

Even if Dan's chart is off by 20%, it's still better to marry a foreign woman than domestic.

Is also totally wrong.. the correct statement would be to say 'Within cross-cultural marriages at any one time, 60% are married and 40% have divorced'. 

When marrying a foreign woman, either you will divorce or not and that is a constant value.. a flip of a coin at the altar.

[GQBlues]

Hhhmmm, OK, why not.....
 

...All one has to do is look at the dating pool of domestic women and RW. RW on average look much better, have good education, and more mentally mature. Domestic women more often than RW talk about their tattoos, piercings, being 420 friendly(like to smoke dope) and being BBW(big beautiful woman). Many domestic women let themselves go but have in in their head their failings are accually something to be proud about.

LOL, Billy. Would it not be 'better' if you chose your dating pool a little more selectively instead? So complaints will be minimal or none.
 
For the life of me AMs chased fat women then complain about them because they're fat - OR - if fat women is the only type of women who's gracious enough to have a meal or two with you, maybe it isn't so much there are fat women around but 'who is' constantly around dating these fat women.
 
Men who can ONLY date society's undesirable really have nothing to compalin about, IMHO. Self-improvement is likely a good place to change that norm if improvement is oh-so desired..It isn't the pretty domestic women's fault that there are undesirable men in their midst to date, so they don't. They date desirable men simply because there are just as many of them around who are as desirable as they are. That's a part of what I would qualify as being 'matured', no?
 
The ability to associate with the like mind, body, and soul? So complaints aren't necessary...
yes?
 

...If anybody is worried I'm going to marry an 18 yo RW, you need not worry anymore. That WILL NOT HAPPEN. An event occurred in the past month and what has happened is irreversible. I can't change the past nor will I try to change the past because it's not worth my time and effort.

 
 
What?!? What happened ? Did she gained weight? Got a tattoo (where, which part  ?) ?, she got pierced (where, which part?) ? Hung out with a drug cartel? What?
 
Irreversible is such an intriguing word....
 
Do share Billy, seriously. That should be a nice capper to your threads 'Life Changes'. Life Changes III can have a sub-title "The New Chapter"

[Admin]

It's wrong, but not for the reasons you posted.
The cross cultural survey does not measure divorce rate in the same way that US yearly divorce rates are calculated (which are typically either a simple ratio of number of divorces per number of marriages in a year, or a more complex projection based on long term data). Because they were not measure in the same way these 'divorce rates' should not be compared at all.
I pointed this out to Dan a while back and he was generous enough to share the data for this survey with me. With Dan's permission, I can dig up my observations from the data.
As I recall, they don't paint a pretty picture at all for the longevity of marriages made through 'marriage brokers' for FSU/Western couples.

>>The cross cultural survey does not measure divorce rate in the same way that US yearly divorce rates are calculated<<

It is possible to find MANY different statistics on domestic divorce rates, and among those are 'point in time' statistics. That is, respondents are asked a question as to a particular point in time - which is exactly the process used for the Survey of Cross-Cultural Marriage and Divorce.

As a reminder, the particular question in the survey under scrutiny (there are MANY other questions, answers and results in the survey) sought to address a question that has been constantly argued on RWD (and other internet venues) for eons - and the question has to do with whether cross-cultural marriages 'fail' at a rate greater than, or less than, domestic marriages. The obvious starting point was to ask those who had married a cross-cultural spouse, if they are (or were) divorced from that spouse.

The responses received were from a VERY large sample size (vastly more than needed to be statistically valid) and are representative. To characterize the statistics as "wrong" is false. They are far more "right" than anything that has been produced before or since.

There are a LOT of things that were recognized as potential subsequent studies - among them are longitudinal studies. We welcome others to build on the foundation laid.

- Dan

[Faux Pas]

For the life of me AMs chased fat women then complain about them because they're fat - OR - if fat women is the only type of women who's gracious enough to have a meal or two with you, maybe it isn't so much there are fat women around but 'who is' constantly around dating these fat women.
 

You know, it seems to me the guys that complain about AW being fat are the guys that were rejected by the fat women. How many times do these complainers state "Yeah, I dated a lot of fat women until I decided I wanted a slimmer one". ? I haven't seen it once

[Jooky]

Dan,

Could I have your permission to post some of my observations from the survey data, along with the statistical data? I can dig these up from my archived emails and as I recall the data was well organized and easy to sort through to find, in my opinion, to provide statistics more relevant to the discussions here.

[Daveman]

Posts concerning BillyB have been split and moved to his thread here:


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0