Vincenzo's thread and Mamba debate

[Rubicon]

I don't know buddy.  I tried to get "real" status on Mamba but could not do it so I deleted my profile from there.  Anyway I do not think that Mamba is very good for somebody who does not speak and write Russian.

[Patagonie]

Now, that you know, Patagonie, who is your Lady Number One, do something romantic.

Get her address in Moscow and send a beautiful bouquet with a charming note.
Ask her to send high-quality photos, print the one that you like and keep on your table.
When you skype, recite her a love poem in French. She will understand the word "amour" for sure.
Send her a hand-written letter and put love stamps.
What about this whole block?


She gave you a chance, she expects your action.

Thank you for your kind attention Vincenzo.
In fact i know a lot about romantical things as i'm a player AND a french latin lover.

But Vincenzo we have a very different mindset. When you say "she gave you a chance, she expects your action"

i think very differently :
I did exactly what i said and what i thaught, showing her a man acting by leaving her city to France after our meeting. This is big, this is costy.
I (majuscule) gave her her chance.
And if she doesn't desserve it,
i would fire her at the end of june.
And i would come to her city to restart the process with other women.

You are right by saying she was expecting me doing something.
She offered me to begin the COURTSHIP phase, wich for obvious reason, it's better to perform by showing her that you are her suitor (suitor of one and not the suitor of many, wich is very difficult to do in the same city of course anyways).

[Patagonie]

I don't know buddy.  I tried to get "real" status on Mamba but could not do it so I deleted my profile from there.  Anyway I do not think that Mamba is very good for somebody who does not speak and write Russian.

+2
I stopped with Mamba for exactly the same reason. Even if i asked to the girls to answer me in english they didn't. Using an internet translator is not the panacea and you know that is dangerous. And you cannot spend all your time by asking to a translator to translate each piece of mail you want to send. This is crazy.
The fee for entering in the Mamba club is to have a correct level in russian.

[The Natural]

Hey, how did this thread got split in 2? I guess I missed something. Anyway, does anyone know why some of USA guys can't get REAL status on MAMBA site? It is only problem with US numbers and not with all of them. Do they have some kind of limitations or filters for messages coming from the Internet???

As you know Alex, I'm from Norway and I tried several times a few weeks ago to get real status without success. It's strange because the column for the phone number came automatically up with my country number but I got no code in return when I placed my phone number behind it.
 
It's no big deal for me now as I won't go to Mamba but to Crimea 

[Patagonie]

As you know Alex, I'm from Norway and I tried several times a few weeks ago to get real status without success. It's strange because the column for the phone number came automatically up with my country number but I got no code in return when I placed my phone number behind it.
 
It's no big deal for me now as I won't go to Mamba but to Crimea 

My lady want to bring me in Crimean
and now
Natural want to go to Crimean

I don't know what to think, perhaps Natural is sent by the SSS ? (Secret Sweden Service), have you ever any opinions fellows ?

[The Natural]

My lady want to bring me in Crimean
and now
Natural want to go to Crimean

I don't know what to think, perhaps Natural is sent by the SSS ? (Secret Sweden Service), have you ever any opinions fellows ?

Sweden? No, my friend and besides the secret service in Sweden is called SÄPO. Our secret service is called POT and they don't meddle in my affairs as I have a license to hunt for a Crimean if I want to 
 
Crimea and especially Kerch seems to be in my cards. If you remember I had a good connection with one from Kerch in the beginning but I miscalculated a little and we decided to move on. Then I got in contact with a girl living in Moscow and it eventually came to my attention that she's an Ukrainina, from Kerch! That's perhaps destiny if you believe in such. The city is only about 200.000 people I'm told.

[Patagonie]

Sweden? No, my friend and besides the secret service in Sweden is called SÄPO. Our secret service is called POT and they don't meddle in my affairs as I have a license to hunt for a Crimean if I want to 
 
Crimea and especially Kerch seems to be in my cards. If you remember I had a good connection with one from Kerch in the beginning but I miscalculated a little and we decided to move on. Then I got in contact with a girl living in Moscow and it eventually came to my attention that she's an Ukrainina, from Kerch! That's perhaps destiny if you believe in such. The city is only about 200.000 people I'm told.

I called the SAPO, your licence number is 997395L, i checked it, you are authorized to chase in Crimean (Ukraine) too by the agreement signed by your country with Ukraine the june, 21th, 2001.
Nice, i'm happy for you.

[Vincenzo]

i think very differently :
I did exactly what i said and what i thaught, showing her a man acting by leaving her city to France after our meeting. This is big, this is costy.
I (majuscule) gave her her chance.
And if she doesn't desserve it,
i would fire her at the end of june.
And i would come to her city to restart the process with other women.

Are you saying that you will do nothing romantic until your next meeting, and she must be very happy that such a great man has noticed her?

Russian ladies are very old-fashioned. They expect compliments and flowers every day.
When I was in Russia, I noticed that I could stare at girls indefinitely and they stared at me. I read that a stranger can compliment a Russian lady's look and outfit without being incarcerated for sexual harassment as in feminist Western countries.

[Vincenzo]

+2
I stopped with Mamba for exactly the same reason. Even if i asked to the girls to answer me in english they didn't.

How can they answer in English if they don't know English?

That's why it's better to use websites like Elena. Though, the number of women is small, they usually try to reply in English or German, etc. They take English classes because they decided to search for a foreign man.

[Patagonie]

Are you saying that you will do nothing romantic until your next meeting, and she must be very happy that such a great man has noticed her?

Vincenzo you seem a kind guy, but really you are a pain. I met this girl for 6 hours, no more. A lot of things can happen. She is actually somewhere not knowing with who she is. Perhaps her sister, or perhaps she gets F...K every night by ??? I have no news. Yes she must be very happy that a man had stopped all others meetings for her and leave to the homeland in advance. We can qualifiy this action of highly romantic. I hope she will desserve it.
If all is fine i would buy something special to this woman as she is going to have a special birthday soon (a big one / decade birthday), but i would give her the gift DURING the meeting (if it happens).

Russian ladies are very old-fashioned. They expect compliments and flowers every day.
When I was in Russia, I noticed that I could stare at girls indefinitely and they stared at me. I read that a stranger can compliment a Russian lady's look and outfit without being incarcerated for sexual harassment as in feminist Western countries.

V kindness has never attracted women and love. And stare women and be staring by women are not my life.
Know that i stare the ass of the hotties at work, and i have no problem of harassment, and they really like to spend time with me, even married they are.
V please, rather than play the guitare, play clitoris with woman, there will be a huge variety of songs you have never heard, you will never get bored, and you will give them one of the best pleasure they enjoy.
Sincerely Pat.

[Vincenzo]

I still don't understand.
You laugh at me when I send romantic postcards that cost almost nothing. But it's Ok to travel again to see a lady who, you suspect, has a boyfriend.

You say a female author doesn't know what women want.
I've read in a book written by a woman about sexual pleasure. It says that a man can never give as much pleasure as a cheap electronic device.

[Patagonie]

I still don't understand.
You laugh at me when I send romantic postcards that cost almost nothing. But it's Ok to travel again to see a lady who, you suspect, has a boyfriend.

I NEVER SAID THAT I SUSPECT THAT SHE HAS A BF, I JUST SAID, THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY I CANNOT EXCLUDE (which is a little different)You say a female author doesn't know what women want.
I've read in a book written by a woman about sexual pleasure. It says that a man can never give as much pleasure as a cheap electronic device.

VINCENZO ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE WRITING ?????????????????????? I WAS SAYING THAT YOU MUSTN'T RELY ON ON WOMAN TO KNOW WHAT SHE WANT OR DESIRE REALLY AND YOU WROTE / I'VE READ A BOOK WRITTEN BY A WOMAN ...

Vincenzo, you are right you don't understand, and i think you don't read really what OP are writing for you.
I want to make a little summarize.

Everybody using any method can success. Simply, for some, odds are better than others. In your case odds are low, a professional here after seing 2000/3000 meetins says that in 85% of cases the meeting is a failure.

A lot of people here, for this reason (85% of failure after a meeting), are trying to temper your flame to prevent you from a crash as you NEVER MEET HER.

To be romantic is not a problem, the problem is to do it at right time. And i think you can improve your timing.

Sincerely Pat.

[Boethius]

I've read in a book written by a woman about sexual pleasure. It says that a man can never give as much pleasure as a cheap electronic device.

First, that's not true, and it is unfortunate that woman never had a good lover.

Second, even with only an adequate lover, most women, most of the time, will prefer a real man over any electronic device.

For almost all women, sex is about far, far, more than a good orgasm.

[Vincenzo]

Sex also includes the guitar played just for her, a small note in the morning, a compliment, a smile...
It all adds up when she is ready to undress.

Even for a man, sex isn't as pleasant with a silent girl as with a girl who has sent the message "I admire your athletic body."

[Vincenzo]

Here is another approach: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13384.msg269087#msg269087

Patagonie hadn't done any homework, no chat, no Skype, no flowers...
He did what was suggested here, "Don't do anything, travel and arrange a real meeting. Just be yourself."

Of course when i'm in her city it's time to chit and chat on Skype and write long letters
A lot of FSU women don't have a real idea of what is the cost of this sort of travel, financially, in time vacation, emotionally and it's not resting at all. So for some (or many?) your time is free. The time you offerer to her, in particular in a VM, if she don't get it, she excludes herself from the race. GIRLS : when a guy shows, and if he is challenger, you must priorize him high in your time, as possible, even if you have had any contact before, and try to spend with him as MANY time AS POSSIBLE .

I haven't heard any answers to my questions, "Why can't you spend as much time as possible with your lady(ladies) on skype before you visit her(them)?"

It seems that the lady had read my book about romance and suggested, "Let's skype to know each other. Why do you want to waste my time by inviting me to real meetings if it's more convenient to skype when both have time?"

My Lady told me, "I appreciate the fact that you prepare something for each our Skype meeting." She prepares something each time too. I value this attention.

[Patagonie]

my post, just above : 236
 

 

[Daveman]

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I haven't heard any answers to my questions, "Why can't you spend as much time as possible with your lady(ladies) on skype before you visit her(them)?"

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Sure you can, because you are planning a VO trip when you do it.  It would be rather absurd to do the same on a VM trip. Wouldn't you agree?

[Vincenzo]

Sure you can, because you are planning a VO trip when you do it.  It would be rather absurd to do the same on a VM trip. Wouldn't you agree?

I disagree.

I have a few ladies in my contact list.
First conversations with them were nice, but then they became cold and soulless. Why would I waste time visiting these ladies in a hostile environment when I can sit home and converse?

[The Natural]

 
 

I haven't heard any answers to my questions, "Why can't you spend as much time as possible with your lady(ladies) on skype before you visit her(them)?"

 
My OPINION: if you plan to VO, talking to her on Skype is a great idea. But if you are planning a VM trip, there are potential problems with that. Let's say you're spending a lot of time talking to some women on Skype. Some disappear but maybe you're left with 2 or 3 very interesting women. As you spend more time with them, and they with you, feelings start to form. Maybe one of them, or worse, all three of them develop real strong feelings for you. Then what do you do? Do you play them or do you tell them the truth? They will not react positive when you tell them you talk to several other women and on top of that plan to go see several women.
 
Speaking from my own experience on this matter.

[Patagonie]

 
 
My OPINION: if you plan to VO, talking to her on Skype is a great idea. But if you are planning a VM trip, there are potential problems with that. Let's say you're spending a lot of time talking to some women on Skype. Some disappear but maybe you're left with 2 or 3 very interesting women. As you spend more time with them, and they with you, feelings start to form. Maybe one of them, or worse, all three of them develop real strong feelings for you. Then what do you do? Do you play them or do you tell them the truth? They will not react positive when you tell them you talk to several other women and on top of that plan to go see several women.
 
Speaking from my own experience on this matter.

I think i'm going to develop about my thinking and my global strategy,  but i would preferably do it in my trip : "operation White Panther".

[Patagonie]

I disagree.

I have a few ladies in my contact list.
First conversations with them were nice, but then they became cold and soulless. Why would I waste time visiting these ladies in a hostile environment when I can sit home and converse?

Of course "skypes" before, can be a tool to sort (it should be). It can help to dismiss some candidates i agree.
But what about you are saying in your post :
1/ you don't dismiss them, it's them who walk away (they became cold and soulless --> means they became not interesting (for many reason, you will never know, an other suitor proposed her the marriage after three travels or example)
2/ What you are missing here Vincenzo. Those same SAME women who avoid you on internet (or you dismiss them because for example they don't play romantically with you), you can meet them in the reality and success. Amongst the 25 women i met very few have been cold (no more than 5).

[Vincenzo]

 
 
My OPINION: if you plan to VO, talking to her on Skype is a great idea. But if you are planning a VM trip, there are potential problems with that. Let's say you're spending a lot of time talking to some women on Skype. Some disappear but maybe you're left with 2 or 3 very interesting women. As you spend more time with them, and they with you, feelings start to form. Maybe one of them, or worse, all three of them develop real strong feelings for you. Then what do you do? Do you play them or do you tell them the truth? They will not react positive when you tell them you talk to several other women and on top of that plan to go see several women.

If you have 3 women, you should strive for the situation: 1 very interesting woman + 2 less interesting backup ladies. If the first woman flakes out, you can fly to others.

You should make very detailed plans with the first lady and tell others, "I will visit your country, I may have time to visit your city."
If you can't select the first lady, keep looking. What's the rush?

[Vincenzo]

Those same SAME women who avoid you on internet (or you dismiss them because for example they don't play romantically with you), you can meet them in the reality and success. Amongst the 25 women i met very few have been cold (no more than 5).

The very first date (real or virtual) is often the rosiest.
If the second date happens and both you and the lady feel warmer, it's a big progress.
However, the relationship often cools down after approximately two weeks because both or any of the parties don't want to enhance the relationship.

[Misha]

Then one day I see The Car - exactly what I want, I rush to the seller and give him a deposit. What's wrong about this approach?

You could get a lemon, a car that looks good in the photos, but is horrible to drive. If you happen to fall upon an unscrupulous seller, it could have been a car (or even two cars) that were wrecks, repaired, welded together and made to look good for a quick sale to the first sucker and it will fall apart within weeks of your purchase. When you bring it back you will be told that you agreed to buy it as is....

[Misha]

Russian ladies are very old-fashioned. They expect compliments and flowers every day.

Flowers every day?!? Where do you get such ideas? Compliments, sure, but even then, if a woman wants to be constantly complimented all the time, it screams out to me major complex and self-esteem issues. Such women, should be avoided at all cost IMHO.