Any single, un-attached guy in Kiev May 27-30?

[OlgaH]

but more of a free love hippy commune. 

Daveman!

That the idea!!! To register a non-governmental organization "UFLHC" (Ukraine Free Love Hippie Commune) We invite you to exchange your experience of sharing a flat with a couple of nice looking single Ukraine ladies !

[Faux Pas]

I'm not so sure what the big deal is.  The guys must be low class and the ladies must be hookers?  Hell, I think it would be a blast of a short getaway, and an opportunity to meet.  I guess I'm just not bothered a bit by a co-ed environment or a social type atmosphere. 

But you're a relaxed free thinking Continental man or inter-continental as the case maybe. 


I like Jack and his tours seems to be helpful to a lot of guys but you've got to admit, a louder "cattle call" there isn't.

[OlgaH]

I like Jack and his tours seems to be helpful to a lot of guys...

Do you mind to share with guys your experience of sharing a flat with two young ladies? Did you also press the balloons with young girls on one of his parties?     I bet you have a lot of things to share  regarding Jack's "more of a free love hippy commune" and it will be very interesting and helpful to guys in their search. 

[Gator]

Sharing a flat is not sharing a bed.  I gather that crashing at a friend's place or something similar is common when RW travel in general because they do not have the extra money needed to rent their own place.  I recall watching at least 10 young RW come out of flat in Sochi.  I did the same when I was a young man with limited funds. Not everyone has their own private bedroom at home either.
 
When meeting RW in Kiev, St. Petersburg and Moscow,  some women came from outside those cities.  They had no place to stay near me, and most shared my apartment (two volunteered).  I did talk with the women several times by telephone, so there was some level of comfort.  And I had rented an extra bedroom or had a sleeping sofa.  And I am a gentleman.  There were a couple of women who demanded their own place, and as it developed I did not find them compatible or interesting.
 
Sheeeeesh. 

[Faux Pas]

Do you mind to share with guys your experience of sharing a flat with two young ladies? Did you also press the balloons with young girls on one of his parties?     I bet you have a lot of things to share  regarding Jack's "more of a free love hippy commune" and it will be very interesting and helpful to guys in their search. 

I have never shared a flat with two young ladies under the circumstances described nor have I ever been on a tour, Jack's or any other. My experience in a flat with two women is quite varied and not fodder for this type forum 

[OlgaH]

And I am a gentleman.
 

No doubts, Gator

There were a couple of women who demanded their own place, and as it developed I did not find them compatible or interesting.

Demanding attitude is not something to be compatible with. 

But I can understand when a woman prefer to have her own place especially when she meets a man for the first time. You never know what can happen.

[OlgaH]

I have never shared a flat with two young ladies under the circumstances described nor have I ever been on a tour, Jack's or any other.

Phee, Faux Pas, so you don't have your own experience to share. What a disappointment 

[Faux Pas]

Phee, Faux Pas, so you don't have your own experience to share. What a disappointment 

To share? Not in this venue but experience yes. All of the days in my youth wasn't misspent   

[OlgaH]

To share? Not in this venue but experience yes.

Faux Pas, outside this venue is not so much interesting as most of the guys have their stories and experience outside FSU venue   

All of the days in my youth wasn't misspent 

And that is absolutely right. You have to have something you can tell your children and grandchildren "When I was young or in your age..." They don't want to here the boring stories about busting your popa studying and working 

[JohnDearGreen]

Do you mind to share with guys your experience of sharing a flat with two young ladies? ...and it will be very interesting and helpful to guys in their search. 

Not 2 but 3.  17/18/39.  One not so young.
Stayed in this apartment here, 3rd floor corner, just above green sign.
Just across street from movie theatre Kiev:

But the 17/18 were her daughters.  We hit some of the old clubs in Kyiv: Chicago club for dinner, Cowboy bar, Buddy Guy club, latin club.  Good old days.

[OlgaH]

Not 2 but 3.  17/18/39.  One not so young.
But the 17/18 were her daughters.  We hit some of the old clubs in Kyiv: Chicago club for dinner, Cowboy bar, Buddy Guy club, latin club.  Good old days.

John, it of course nice and no doubt you, her and her daughters had a good time.

But irrelevant to the offered circumstances. 

[chivo]

  To GQ and good ole boy who have the morals lower than the underside of a snake I need not waste my time with.   To others, this is not a party.  We do this often, invite ladies from other part's of Ukraine to Kiev, and other parts of Russia to Moscow.  No one woman is sleeping alone in a man's flat.  All the ladies are in two's and 90% of the time, 100% on this trip, the ladies know each other, are friends and are coming as a couple.  All our nice two room flats on Khershatyk have a couch that folds into a bed and the ladies generally sleep here.  No one lady ever stays with a man she does not know.  We always do this in groups of two's.   And because EACH and EVERY lady is treated with the utmost respect and this has passed down over time through the agencies as well the many ladies I know outside the agency circles, when I offer such an invitation to spend a weekend in Kiev or Moscow many GOOD ladies, you reading that OlgaH, good ladies, will often take advantage of a nice weekend in Kiev or Moscow.     And for the PM's I have received directed at the moral right, thank you for your kind words.  

Jack, are you coming to Moscow? I have plenty of room in my flat if you need to house some women  .
 
I'm always willing to help a brother out in times of need  .

[OlgaH]

but more of a free love hippy commune. 

Adults are adults.

The most important to follow the elementary safety rules. Though the syphilis statistics went down the Ukrainian venereologists  still worry, cases of such infections as urogenital chlamydia, genital herpes, and AIDS become more frequent. Prevalence of syphilis among 20-24 y.o. women is higher as the venereologists report.

Vitaly Taran, a head of the Clinic Department of the Nikolaev Regional dermatovenereological Clinic, says that Nikolaev Region is one of the leading regions regarding syphilis.

Nowadays the Ukrainian newspapers tittle-tattle about Chris Holzen (a leader of the International Republican Institute in Ukraine) who is supposedly got syphilis
http://obozrevatel.com/crime/u-glavnogo-demokrata-v-ukraine-sifilis.htm

[ML]

Though the syphilis statistics went down the Ukrainian venereologists  still worry, cases of such infections as urogenital chlamydia, genital herpes, and AIDS become more frequent. Prevalence of syphilis among 20-24 y.o. women is higher as the venereologists report.

I recently heard about a very fast spreading VD named Moby Dick.

Apparently is is quite easily picked up in libraries.

[OlgaH]

I recently heard about a very fast spreading VD named Moby Dick.

Apparently is is quite easily picked up in libraries.

ManLooking, if the percentage of people with venereological diseases spend more time in the libraries the venereologists would have less reasons for worries 

The three main reasons for US immigration visa denial are tuberculosis,  AIDS, and venereological diseases. But there are some exception to the rule for the relatives of the citizens and permanent residents of the USA.

Also a food for thoughts: sometimes when a fiancee gets a cold feet right before her interview and doesn't want or cannot give a reasonable answer "why" it can be also a result of medical exam (and she doesn't want to talk about it).

[Muzh]

Do you mind to share with guys your experience of sharing a flat with two young ladies? Did you also press the balloons with young girls on one of his parties?     I bet you have a lot of things to share  regarding Jack's "more of a free love hippy commune" and it will be very interesting and helpful to guys in their search. 

Olga, as a young and foolish guy I spent many nights sequestered in living quarters with femmes. I can tell you I had a blast because we would spend the whole night joking, drinking, and eating. For clarification purpose, I was not the only male with the girls. I don't want people think I'm bragging. It was few and far in between when anything like this degenerated into what young people full of hormones would do. No regrets. I believe I was behaving the way a normal and healthy man would.
 
One thing I did notice. A woman will let you know in no uncertain way what she has in mind. I really feel bad for these women who would excercise any kind of normal behavior. Already you can see that having done nothing yet, they are being prep to be flogged and then crucified by some in the gallery.

[OlgaH]

Olga, as a young and foolish guy I spent many nights sequestered in living quarters with femmes. I can tell you I had a blast because we would spend the whole night joking, drinking, and eating....

Muzh, of course those girls with whom you were parting were marriage minded and looking for their potential husbands as you were looking for a wife among them.  You also found them through a bride agency (or better to say they were offered to you in add by the bride agency's owner in commercial section on a forum)  and you even got a reserved VIP table in a night club  from the bride agency's owner  for sharing your apartment with those potential brides-to-be. BTW how much it cost you at that time, if it is not a secret 

[GQBlues]

.....You also found them through a bride agency (or better to say they were offered to you in add by the bride agency's owner in commercial section on a forum)  and you even got a reserved VIP table in a night club  from the bride agency's owner  for sharing your apartment with those potential brides-to-be. BTW how much it cost you at that time, if it is not a secret

Actually, if this in fact is 'moral' and 'normal', there has got to be an entrepreneur amongst us waiting to happen.
 
Sublet a few Kiev apartments and put an ad where it says...
 
One bedroom flat: $90.00/night. In the center of Kiev with views, Upstairs, western style accomodations and appointments, close to Metro, shops, restaurants, sleeps 3 (folding beds optional), rental comes with VIP club tickets, coupons for fine dining, parties, bowling, and 2 beautiful, single young women from out of town between the ages of 25-30.

Senior discount rates applicable. LOL.

[Daveman]

Actually, if this in fact is 'moral' and 'normal', there has got to be an entrepreneur amongst us waiting to happen.
 
Sublet a few Kiev apartments and put an ad where it says...
 
One bedroom flat: $90.00/night. In the center of Kiev with views, Upstairs, western style accomodations and appointments, close to Metro, shops, restaurants, sleeps 3 (folding beds optional), rental comes with VIP club tickets, coupons for fine dining, parties, bowling, and 2 beautiful, single young women from out of town between the ages of 25-30.

Senior discount rates applicable. LOL.

LoL! Great ad! 


I personally see nothing "immoral" in the situation. Especially if the ad read "triple occupancy, accommodations to be shared with two lovely Ukrainian ladies also attending our social - no guarantees but even your sorry dilapidated a$$ has a chance of getting lucky" or something similar.      


I'm not saying anything will/not happen.. but... even if whomever(s) stayed in the flat decided to, er, do a few shots and enjoy the situation a little more deeply, what's the difference between a one night stand in a flat as opposed to a one night stand beginning at a bar - here, there, or anywhere? 


It seems to me that what makes this situation different (noting that nothing is implied other than having female roommates and I guess being able to look/talk at/with them) is that Jack and his business is in involved.  Yeah, it may be a little unusual, but if a guy is interested in meeting MANY women by attending a tour or at the parties, why NOT share co-ed accommodations as long as everyone is aware of the situation in advance?  did they not have a choice??  Hell, if it were me, I know the ladies would have an absolute blast with me in the flat - even without some of my more world renowned, female physician approved (and highly admired) endearing physical exploits of prowess and dexterity.      

[GoodOlBoy]

Senior discount rates applicable. LOL.

So, if I was single I could use my AARP card? 
 
GOB

[OlgaH]

I'm not saying anything will/not happen.. but... even if whomever(s) stayed in the flat decided to, er, do a few shots and enjoy the situation a little more deeply, what's the difference between a one night stand in a flat as opposed to a one night stand beginning at a bar - here, there, or anywhere?

It seems to me that what makes this situation different (noting that nothing is implied other than having female roommates and I guess being able to look/talk at/with them) is that Jack and his business is in involved. 

Daveman,

what makes this situation different is the "looking for a foreign husband" that sounds really ridiculous in the add. Without that addition the add would look more natural as the thousands of similar adds "girls (or one night stand girls), apartments, clubs, and other fun things" 

[GQBlues]

...I personally see nothing "immoral" in the situation....

There. Perfect. I took your statement likely out of context just so we can skip the (inevitable) acts of cats chasing tails....
 
Consider for a moment these women were invited to Kiev, to DIRECTLY benefit a business, where the sheer presence of women is the main thrust of the business, and you, as the business owner found out you had more women than you can 'house' for the weekend. As a respectable business owner, what are you likely to do?
 
1. Advised the women that due to the unexpected overwhelming response, you will be out of accomodation and thus, while unfortunate, you would much rather cancel the invitation this time around for no other reason than to insure their welfare and security since you cannot provide ample accomodations on your own to insure it, OR,
 
2. You go to the internet and call out on ANYONE you do not know to house the women for you just so you can fill bodies to benefit your business...Who they stay with is of little concern to you.
 
I would think (dunno, maybe it's just me) having these girls stay with just about ANYONE I do not know just so I can take advantage of their marketability to benefit my business is just not cool, you know. It's downright irresponsible (I can cite a few more unfavorable adjectives instead, but why bother).
 
But brush aside businesses for a bit...you invited two women to come to Kiev to meet you since they represent women of your interest as potential candidates to be your wife....would you really pawn them off to stay with ANYONE you do not know simple because you don't want to have to dole out 200 bucks?
 

So, if I was single I could use my AARP card?

Nope. Considering what's happening to Spain, Ireland, Greece, and now Italy, and the fact AARP fully supported Obamacare, I'll likely charge you 1,000% over inflated rate but give you a free bag of sunflower seeds and 2 toothless babushkas to mettle with for the weekend.

[OlgaH]

... but give you a free bag of sunflower seeds and 2 toothless babushkas to mettle with for the weekend.

Come on, GQBlues! 2 toothless babushkas?! A Russian website has a collection of "foreign grooms." Don't you think GOB could be "the cock of the village" or in Russian "первый парень на деревне" 

http://spynet.ru/blog/pics/31718.html

[Daveman]

There. Perfect. I took your statement likely out of context just so we can skip the (inevitable) acts of cats chasing tails....

no tail chasing here.. though I guess that would be topical!  As far as I am aware, we're having a bit of fun in the thread...  but on a more serious note

Consider for a moment these women were invited to Kiev, to DIRECTLY benefit a business, where the sheer presence of women is the main thrust of the business, and you, as the business owner found out you had more women than you can 'house' for the weekend.

I don't disagree but just see it as a bigger picture - yes, the bottom line is that it is a business. They do directly benefit a business, but also themselves - in whatever way that may be - the chance to meet someone special, or get some free food and fun, potentially have some nut take them on a shopping spree, whatever.  So they may have been invited but choose to come for personal benefit. Why else would they be there?

As a respectable business owner, what are you likely to do?
 
1. Advised the women that due to the unexpected overwhelming response, you will be out of accomodation and thus, while unfortunate, you would much rather cancel the invitation this time around for no other reason than to insure their welfare and security since you cannot provide ample accomodations on your own to insure it, OR,
 
2. You go to the internet and call out on ANYONE you do not know to house the women for you just so you can fill bodies to benefit your business...Who they stay with is of little concern to you.

Firstly, we don't know what (if any) screening process is present.  Secondly, we don't know what role, if any, the ladies themselves played in the decision (aside from the obvious).


What's wrong with giving them the choice along with complete situational disclosure rather than make the decision for them?   That seems logical to me.  They are adults with the capability and responsibility of making decisions for themselves.  Decisions which they do make for the potential of personal gain. 


What are the *real* chances of their safety being an issue?  Perhaps slightly more than dying in a plane crash?  Yeah, the guy(s) may be old, bald, fat, ugly, and be somewhat traumatic for the ladies to tolerate but I think the potential danger is far greater to his wallet than the ladies' safety.  No proof, just call it a hunch.  Since they are also more likely (IMO) to become inebriated, slip and hurt themselves on the dance floor - perhaps they should also be protected from that possibility by requiring them to wear motorcycle helmets to be protected from their own decisions.

I would think (dunno, maybe it's just me) having these girls stay with just about ANYONE I do not know just so I can take advantage of their marketability to benefit my business is just not cool, you know. It's downright irresponsible (I can cite a few more unfavorable adjectives instead, but why bother).
 
But brush aside businesses for a bit...you invited two women to come to Kiev to meet you since they represent women of your interest as potential candidates to be your wife....would you really pawn them off to stay with ANYONE you do not know simple because you don't want to have to dole out 200 bucks?
 

They all take advantage for themselves.. the men, Jack, and the ladies. They are *all* in it for something/ some kind of gain or they wouldn't be doing it.  Irresponsible?  Again, I'm not sure sans full situational awareness.  Yet, if they get a bad vibe after meeting the roommate(s), will they be denied the opportunity to leave or be denied other accommodations?  We don't know what would happen in that situation other than most likely they will not be held captive. 


I'm not buying that women (or men) in general warrant protection from themselves and their own decisions. 


Nope, I wouldn't pawn them off at all (though I may get my capitalistic dander up and sell tickets to the cat fight! especially if i could coax them near the mud pit).  But, I'm not positive that the ladies in question are being pawned off against their will either. maybe they are, and maybe they made an informed decision knowing full well the details of the situation.  I personally don't know and don't really care to conjecture without more information.

Daveman,

what makes this situation different is the "looking for a foreign husband" that sounds really ridiculous in the add. Without that addition the add would look more natural as the thousands of similar adds "girls (or one night stand girls), apartments, clubs, and other fun things" 

Yeah, that does sound just a little funny, doesn't it? 

[JohnDearGreen]

All our nice two room flats on Khershatyk have a couch that folds into a bed and the ladies generally sleep here...

I had a small problem with that scenario on my 1st trip to Kyiv....I couldn't figure out how to get the couch folded back together on the morning I was leaving.  The good looking blonde that owned the apartment tried to charge me extra for breaking her sofa.


This appears to be the apt. on Baseyna.  Watch out for that sofa
http://www.kievapartmentrent.com/en-us/luxury-2-room-apartment-for-rent-in-Kiev-Ukraine-baseyna-str.-7-9-473.html