FSU Gay Pride

[mendeleyev]

As reported in today's Mendeleyev Journal, Saturday’s Gay Pride in Moscow is over and several protestors are spending the night in a Moscow jail. To be fair, the latest report shows 34 arrests and while 18 of those arrested were participants in the parade, 16 persons out to protest the parade were also arrested.

Moscow’s Gay pride parade was led this year by an American–US Army Lieutenant Daniel Choi, himself involved in the gay rights movement in the US Military, was in Moscow as a guest of the gay pride organizers. One journalist was injured, and arrested, during the march. Novaya Gazeta journalist Elena Kostyuchenko according to reports attacked a bystander who was there to protest the parade. The bystander lashed back and both were arrested. Ms. Kostyuchenko was taken to a local hospital with a concussion.

Russian Interior Ministry officials say the march was an unauthorized action and took place not far from the Alexander Gardens at the Manege and Tverskaya Squares near the old City Hall just steps from Red Square. Last month the Moscow City Council had given approval for the gay pride march to be held legally for the first time. However, the decision was quickly reversed and police warned gay rights activists that they would break up the march.

All in all it was a mild event with the number of journalists and Interior Ministry police perhaps outnumbering the number of marchers.

[Rubicon]

I hope Russia and FSU continue to ban and resist so called "Gay" pride marches.  Militant gays have done their best to destroy family rights in the USA and have done a very good job of it by infiltrating our "liberal" media and public schools and enforcing political correctness and destroying true freedom of speech.  Gay militants have gone into churches and spewed their hatred of religion in the house of God.  Gays now enjoy special rights in the workforce and all throughout Hollywood.

If homosexuals want to get married they can in certain churches, but that is not enough for them.  They now demand that the States and the Federal government recognize their unholy "marriages".

They have forced the military into accepting them being openly Gay when it is a distraction to the military objectives and most troops do not like it.  Don't ask don't tell was a very good solution because the homosexuals willing to serve under that policy were not the drama queens, pardon the pun.  Now that they can openly serve it will never end there.  Soldiers who look at a homosexual the wrong way or speak to them in the wrong tone of voice will be accused of "harassment".  Soon there will be homosexuals demanding sex change operations at the military's expense.  Then there will be individuals with both male and female genitalia demanding to serve.  What a FUBAR!!

[AsH]

These days you cant even speak out against gays or even if you disagree with them you get vilified for having you own opinion.
 
Bullshit indeed.

[Ade]

I hope Russia and FSU continue to ban and resist so called "Gay" pride marches.  Militant gays have done their best to destroy family rights in the USA and have done a very good job of it by infiltrating our "liberal" media and public schools and enforcing political correctness and destroying true freedom of speech.  Gay militants have gone into churches and spewed their hatred of religion in the house of God.  Gays now enjoy special rights in the workforce and all throughout Hollywood.

Let me get this straight. You are talking of banning gay pride marches and complaining about the destruction of freedom of speech in the same paragraph and you don't see any hypocrisy there? I'm always amazed if not surprised that bigotry like this still exists in supposedly enlightened societies.

[Rubicon]

Let me get this straight. You are talking of banning gay pride marches and complaining about the destruction of freedom of speech in the same paragraph and you don't see any hypocrisy there? I'm always amazed if not surprised that bigotry like this still exists in supposedly enlightened societies.

Typical gay propaganda.  Start a conversation about the destruction of traditional values in society, get labeled a bigot.

[GoodOlBoy]

To bad SCULPTO isn't here.
He would have loved this topic.
 
GOB

PS....I don't see any "crowds" in your pictures Mendeleyev?
It looks like "High Noon" at the O.K. Corral.

[The Natural]

Agree totally with Rubicon here, except that of banning protesters. Banning anybody's freedom of expression is a no-no in a "free" society, even though they may be homos, nazis, commies or whatever.
 
With regards to what we've become in the west when it concerns the "gay agenda", it is truly disgusting. Here in Norway gay people can marry, sometimes in some churches even and there are openly gay priests or pastors and the "movement" is always pressing for more "reforms". This is happening all over the western world of course, in varying degrees, according to the internal consensus among the populace, or how liberal most folks has become. Next stop Sodom and Gomorrah!
 
 

[Rubicon]

Next stop for the west if it keeps it up is extinction.  Every formerly great society which embraced homosexuality was soon gone.

[Miri22]

Jesus Rubicon.. Why not tell us how you really feel?
Hate Much?
Why not just go for it and let loose on blacks, Hispanics, Asians & disabled people?
Your hate filled rant is shocking and says a lot about your character. Unfortunate.

[Ade]

Typical gay propaganda.  Start a conversation about the destruction of traditional values in society, get labeled a bigot.

No, what you did was to condone the limitation of rights for some while projecting your values onto others. Everything you posted was against your constitution let alone basic human rights.

There is nothing inherently "wrong" with homosexuality and it is most certainly not immoral. Gay pride marches are akin to the Women's Suffrage movement and all they want is the basic rights that heterosexuals have. Those that protest too much about such things must be incredibly insecure in their own beliefs and sexuality.

[Ade]

Next stop for the west if it keeps it up is extinction.  Every formerly great society which embraced homosexuality was soon gone.

Please tell us again what your IQ is?

[Rubicon]

Your argument is perverted.  You are attempting to compare non white people and people with disabilities to people who have unusual sexual practices which are not normal and do not produce children.


The argument has nothing do to with somebody's race.  You do not even know if I am white or black or hispanic or asian, you are just assuming one or the other.



The only one here who is expressing hate is you.


Arguing for traditional relationships between a man and a woman which will produce children and continue the human race is not an argument of hate, it is an argument for the continuation of the divine circle of life.

[GoodOlBoy]

Cool Journal Mendeleyev. 
Great articles and pictures!
Do you have a mailing list? (where your journal can be delivered to an e-mail address)
 
GOB

[Rubicon]

No, what you did was to condone the limitation of rights for some while projecting your values onto others. Everything you posted was against your constitution let alone basic human rights.

There is nothing inherently "wrong" with homosexuality and it is most certainly not immoral. Gay pride marches are akin to the Women's Suffrage movement and all they want is the basic rights that heterosexuals have. Those that protest too much about such things must be incredibly insecure in their own beliefs and sexuality.

Nice try Seriously Jaded aka Ade.  You have things backwards.  It is militant homosexuals who are trying to limit the rights and protection of traditional and moral men and women; and disrupting the services of churches which believe in saving marriage as a sacred act between a man and a woman.


Homosexuals in USA have more than their rights, they have special rights--they are a protected "class" of people.  Have you ever had to work with a militant in your face homosexual?


Nobody here in the USA is going to try to stop Gay marches, if anything they are rather entertaining.  This does not change the fact that Russia is a sovereign nation and they can choose to handle this situation anyway that they please.

[Rubicon]

Please tell us again what your IQ is?

Please tell us in the first place what is YOUR IQ Ade??  And please tell us what happened to the Greek empire after Alexander the Great died without leaving an heir??

[mendeleyev]

Cool Journal Mendeleyev. 
Great articles and pictures!
Do you have a mailing list? (where your journal can be delivered to an e-mail address)

Thanks, GOB!

Yes, go to the main page at http://russianreport.wordpress.com and then look to the column on the right. There is a list of pages dedicated to topics and as you scroll down you'll come to links for news, photos, culture, etc. At the end of the right hand column, about 1/3 down the page, you'll see the very last link to "Email Subscription" and just click on that. It takes about 30 seconds or less and you'll have it delivered free to your email.

Thanks!

[Ade]

Nice try Seriously Jaded aka Ade.  You have things backwards.  It is militant homosexuals who are trying to limit the rights and protection of traditional and moral men and women; and disrupting the services of churches which believe in saving marriage as a sacred act between a man and a woman.


Homosexuals in USA have more than their rights, they have special rights--they are a protected "class" of people.  Have you ever had to work with a militant in your face homosexual?


Nobody here in the USA is going to try to stop Gay marches, if anything they are rather entertaining.  This does not change the fact that Russia is a sovereign nation and they can choose to handle this situation anyway that they please.

Generalising from the actions of a small minority of extremists is a silly thing to do wouldn't you agree? It'd be like condemning all Muslims by the actions of a relatively few suicide bombers or all Americans by you.

[GoodOlBoy]

Registration was easy enough Mendeleyev!
Also wanted to say....great U-Tube video about the Hermitage!
Brings back a lot of great memories. 
Can't wait to read your next edition.
 
GOB
 

[Gator]

Generalising from the actions of a small minority of extremists is a silly thing to do wouldn't you agree? It'd be like condemning all Muslims by the actions of a relatively few suicide bombers or all Americans by you.

 
 
I met a gay during my first RW trip in 2002.  She was recently divorced and had a little boy.   We corresponded for almost 6 months and I had no clue about her orientation.  Attractive and feminine, but wore no makeup, a natural look that I prefer.   She was not a lipstick lesbian, being more attracted to books and the occult than fashion.
 
We had some interesting conversations during our meeting in Kiev (she came by train from Souhern Ukraine).  She had always been attracted to women, yet married because of pressure to conform and pregnancy.  She claimed to be bisexual, yet that would imply a 50-50 orientation.  I would guess she was more 10-90 (10 being men), especially after meeting me.    
 
She had been somewhat forthright in our correspondence by explaining she was not interested in marriage, yet I chose her for my first meeting on a WMVM trip because she spoke excellent English, wanted to show me the sights and  indoctrinate me into the FSU culture, plus she was fun and had a great SOH. 
 
She described how difficult it was to be gay in Ukraine outside of the arts culture.  Her goal was to move to the more liberal Czech and teach English.  Gays are people, and while I disagree with  the shock tactics employed by some gay activists,  I felt some  empathy for her plight. However, I was looking for "wifey" material, so we parted after 3 days together.   The 3 days were an interesting experience. 
 
She soon removed her profile from the agency, and she did not answer phone calls.  Hopefully  she made it to Prague with her son.

[Rubicon]

Generalising from the actions of a small minority of extremists is a silly thing to do wouldn't you agree? It'd be like condemning all Muslims by the actions of a relatively few suicide bombers or all Americans by you.

That's very cute Ade.  Now answer the question:  What happened to the Greek empire, one of the greatest empires on the face of the earth, when Alexander the Great died without leaving an heir???

[Blues Fairy]

Regardless of how one feels about gays, Russia's treatment of freely gathering individuals is simply contemptible.  Gatherings should NOT be sanctioned or forcibly dispersed; it should be a basic right of citizens.  I do not understand why these gay parade discussions always slide into gay vs antigay debates; it's not about that at all.   It's about the right to free speech and gatherings, which should be protected in any civilized society.

[Rubicon]

Regardless of how one feels about gays, Russia's treatment of freely gathering individuals is simply contemptible.  Gatherings should NOT be sanctioned or forcibly dispersed; it should be a basic right of citizens.  I do not understand why these gay parade discussions always slide into gay vs antigay debates; it's not about that at all.   It's about the right to free speech and gatherings, which should be protected in any civilized society.

Different civilized societies have different concepts of what speech is allowable.  It seems that a majority of Russian perceive gay parades to be hate speech against Christian values and they are not going to approve them or tolerate it.

OTH here in USA we accept that gay parades are now part of our life and most of us look at them with amusement because they can certainly be entertaining.

The question which remains here is whether or not Obama is going to be manipulated into pushing for Federal recognition of gay marriage.

[SFandEE]

Considering the posters; this thread would likely be even more rough on people who have same sex orientation if other threads hadn't devolved into warnings and threats.


This thread confirms; that there are some--maybe still a majority that believe and preach, what I have suspected.  That being, American military men and women are not able to function at or near their best when exposed to overtly sexual people and that it is best for men and women to not be expressive amongst their fellow military about their sexual orientation regardless of orientation  It is critical for the military to be able to focus on what they must focus and not be distracted by sex.  This is a focused group of professionals.


By the way--I will remember all military this Memorial weekend that have sacrificed life and limb in our many, many conflicts regardless of their sexual orientation, if I could exclude respecting the bullies, bigots and evil amongst them I would, but since we all have our sins I will be generic in praise.  Since I don't have a gun as big as theirs at the time, I hope that they will never point theirs at me on orders or pleasure to silence my speech and peaceful assembly.

[Boethius]

Gays didn't destroy the family.  Heterosexuals did a good job of that themselves.

Most of the men on this forum are divorced, many, with minor children.  Are gays responsible for that?

[SFandEE]

If gays (homosexuals, bisexuals, sexual opportunists) were involved in the break-up I am sure the posters will never tell,  so be sure to not ask.