What are the best websites I can use to correspond with women in the Ukraine???

[romeorose]

What are the best websites I can use to correspond with women in the Ukraine??? I am looking to find a girl there that would like to marry me and live with me in Texas. Can you all tell me the best ones so that I am less likely to be scammed?

Thanks!
RR

[Handycam72]

First 
 
Have a read of the 10 Commandments.
 
Have a look around the site.
 
A thread has just been started asking similar question this:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13794.msg274355;topicseen#msg274355
 
Also what your reasons for wanting to look in the FSU, and Ukraine in particular?
What do you know or what experience do you have of FSU and Ukraine?
Why Ukrainian Woman?
What kind of Scams are you aware of?
 
Need to know more about you, so we can get a good idea of what advice to give.

[ML]

But first you should look on map and try to find this place you have called 'the Ukraine.'  I have never found such a place on a current map.

[romeorose]

Thanks for the link to the other thread that had the sites. i read the ten commandments/rules. I am 37 years old. I was in a relationship living with a woman for 11 years. Since then I haven't been able to even get a date and it's been about 2 years. Why Ukraine? Why not? I don't know anything about the place, but I don't want to live there, just want to meet a girl there. Why there? Well I'm not having any luck here in Austin, Texas. Women over there look really beautiful & exotic. I am thinking maybe they won't me as materialistic and shallow as most American women are. Perhaps they will be more appreciative and also greatful & thankful just for the opportunity to come live in America. Also seems like the competition is harder here in the US, lots of guys make a lot more money than me and are much better looking than me. Maybe a girl from the Ukraine would be different. I figure I have more to offer a woman in the Ukraine than a woman in the US. Even if I am to just be used to help her get to the US and gain citizenship, I am ok with that as long as I get to have a few years of companionship. I thought about trying Mexico but that wouldn't work as I hate Mexico because it's so dangerous, and anyone that's in Mexico that wants to become American they just run across the border, no need for marriage. I know people on here will probably hate on me because many will probbaly not agree with my tactics or motives, and that is fine, I am going to still give this a try. I really don't care about love. I was with a woman for 11 years, if that wasn't love, then nothing is love, but if it was love then we should have been together forever because love is supposed to last forever. I really don't believe in love anymore after that. It's a illusion. But I do not want to be alone. I want a girl that I can share all the things that life has to offer with, someone I can do things in life together with. Someone to walk hand and hand through a park with or watch the sunset with. I like to be with someone and do things like that. I'm not a physically attractive guy, but I do want a physically attractive girl. I look like the guy in that old Cher movie called Mask. Look it up on youtube if you don't know what I mean. I've tried dating sites here in the US and no one here gives me the time of day. I've seen some pictures of guys that look like they are 50 years old with women that look almost half their age from Ukraine, so I am thinking looks must not be as important to those women as they are to women in the US. In the US looks are everything to a woman, no US woman is going to date anyone out of her league, she's going to date the best looking guy she possibly can. This is a last resort effort for me. It's either try this or just give up on life all together.
RR

[romeorose]

oh and as far as scams, I'm not aware of anything specific. I just know it seems to be kinda common that websites will try to get your money and maybe the girl you think you are corresponding with isn't even a girl, or if she is maybe she has no real intention of ever meeting you.

I haven't read all the threads in this forum yet, but I did spend about 3 hours reading the forum before I posted. I will read through some more threads, although sometimes trying to find info here seems more difficult than other unrelated forums I've been to. Just seems like so much here and kinda unorganised.

But the thing that's impressing me with this forum is that it appears many of you have been successful with really finding wifes from over there.
So maybe there's hope for me too.

[Darth_Budda]

Heart break Suck man, That's for sure. 

But you need to take some time to heal,
Than move on with a heart that is open to love.
Or you will never find it... 

[romeorose]

I've had about 2 years to heal, I am ready to start something new. I'm not closed to love, I'm just happy to settle for less than love. If nothing else, I think it will be fun to visit the Ukraine, I've never been to another country before, so this whole thing is going to be exciting. I think.

[LAman]

Thanks for the link to the other thread that had the sites. i read the ten commandments/rules. I am 37 years old. I was in a relationship living with a woman for 11 years. Since then I haven't been able to even get a date and it's been about 2 years. Why Ukraine? Why not? I don't know anything about the place, but I don't want to live there, just want to meet a girl there. Why there? Well I'm not having any luck here in Austin, Texas. Women over there look really beautiful & exotic. I am thinking maybe they won't me as materialistic and shallow as most American women are. Perhaps they will be more appreciative and also greatful & thankful just for the opportunity to come live in America. Also seems like the competition is harder here in the US, lots of guys make a lot more money than me and are much better looking than me. Maybe a girl from the Ukraine would be different. I figure I have more to offer a woman in the Ukraine than a woman in the US. Even if I am to just be used to help her get to the US and gain citizenship, I am ok with that as long as I get to have a few years of companionship. I thought about trying Mexico but that wouldn't work as I hate Mexico because it's so dangerous, and anyone that's in Mexico that wants to become American they just run across the border, no need for marriage. I know people on here will probably hate on me because many will probbaly not agree with my tactics or motives, and that is fine, I am going to still give this a try. I really don't care about love. I was with a woman for 11 years, if that wasn't love, then nothing is love, but if it was love then we should have been together forever because love is supposed to last forever. I really don't believe in love anymore after that. It's a illusion. But I do not want to be alone. I want a girl that I can share all the things that life has to offer with, someone I can do things in life together with. Someone to walk hand and hand through a park with or watch the sunset with. I like to be with someone and do things like that. I'm not a physically attractive guy, but I do want a physically attractive girl. I look like the guy in that old Cher movie called Mask. Look it up on youtube if you don't know what I mean. I've tried dating sites here in the US and no one here gives me the time of day. I've seen some pictures of guys that look like they are 50 years old with women that look almost half their age from Ukraine, so I am thinking looks must not be as important to those women as they are to women in the US. In the US looks are everything to a woman, no US woman is going to date anyone out of her league, she's going to date the best looking guy she possibly can. This is a last resort effort for me. It's either try this or just give up on life all together.
RR

Why is it that guys think it is easy pickings in FSU? If you can't get a date at home...maybe its time to look in the mirror???? International dating/marriage is a long difficult process (for most)
with much time, anguish and money spent but the rewards can be very high.

[JohnDearGreen]

This is a last resort effort for me. It's either try this or just give up on life all together.
RR

I don't think you're ready to give up yet.  Most find a crony group or forum where they can discuss shuffleboard and politics before that happens.


Keep looking at more web sites.  There are ladies at all levels in some of them.  Write to many ladies for a few months until you find your league.

[Gator]

Romeo,
 
If you do indeed have craniodiaphyseal dysplasia you have my sympathy.  Years ago my neighbor's teenage daughter suffered from this condition.  She is a real sweetheart, and she was our favorite babysitter.  She had a special awareness and sensitivity that few people have.   Her situation taught me a lot.  Her parents had a lifesize portrait of her hanging in the living room.  Her favorite holiday was Halloween.  We moved to Florida a long time ago, yet my sons somehow kept in touch every year or so.  I am happy to say that she is still around.  She could have given up like you suggested, but she did not.   Why won't you date someone like her?   
 
I understand not having a date for two years.  You seemed to have healed emotionally somewhat, but not completely given your comment about love.  I wish I could suggest something favorably about looking in the FSU.   Perhaps the RWD women will have a suggestion, and I suggest that you repeat your post in the "Ask RW" subforum.   
 
My only suggestion is to write to women in the medical profession who would have a better understanding than the average RW.  If you include a photo, I would guess that over 99% of your emails will be ignored.  So you  need to write a first letter without a photo, but give them a narrative preview in the first letter and build them up to your photo.

[romeorose]

I don't actually have that disease, but I've had several people tell me I look as bad as that guy in the movie.
This is a picture of me and my exgirlfriend from last March when I had long hair. We tried to get back together last March, at least I thought we were trying but it turned out she just used me for a free place to stay for 3 months, hence that's why I sy we've been broke up for about 2 years because I'm not counting those 3 months.

Also here's a picture of me with short hair taken a month ago.

[LAman]

Sorry Romeo if my 'mirror' comment insensitive...not meant to be.
 
Realistic expectations are important. You may have to look for some not as attractive or older unless you are able to get to know them/and them you........ on a purely friendship level

[Ranetka]

Do not see anything wrong with your picture, you look totally normal and attractive. I personally like very short hair and no jewerly on men but this is personal taste.
 
 

[Gator]

Romeo,
 
Based on your photo, you are overreacting.   You are better looking than many RM.   I never understood how the RW on average are better looking than the RM on average.  Some RW have "volunteered" the same opinion, yet there are some remarkably handsome RM and plenty of AM toads (which you are not).
 
My guess is that your major problem with dating is low self-esteem.  You talk about suicide and describe yourself as befitting a freak show.   I guess your old girlfriend did a number on you. 
 
IMPORTANT - many, many RW are more impressed by confident men than pretty faces.  Work on your confidence and do not start a correspondence program until you feel better about yourself.  As it stands now,  if a RW likes the way you look, your low selfesteem would turn her off as you talk and Skype.   So regaining your confidence is a prerequisite to correspondence. 
 
Are you financially stable?  Does not mean "rich" but a steady job and high education will help with the ladies as they get to know you.  Can you afford multiple trips to the FSU?

[romeorose]

Thanks for the good words on my photos. I'm a musician & artist here in Austin, but I have a regular day job Monday through Friday. I supplement that income on the weekends by working as a wedding photographer, I make anywhere from $1,500 to $4,500 for each wedding I shoot. I only have a high school education, but I am a work-a-holic and do what ever it takes to succeed financially.

Yes my ex-girlfriend made me feel bad about myself, she told me I am ugly and that she's the only girl that will ever have me, and I will never have another girlfriend. I was with her about 11 years. She's the only girlfriend I've ever had before.

[romeorose]

a few other pics of myself

[romeorose]

And to the JohnDearGreen poster above, with the Texas picture in your sig, love the Stevie Ray Vaughan statue here in Austin, hear they are trying to get one in Dallas also, long live SRV, soul to soul.

[Gator]

Yes my ex-girlfriend made me feel bad about myself, she told me I am ugly and that she's the only girl that will ever have me, and I will never have another girlfriend. I was with her about 11 years. She's the only girlfriend I've ever had before.

 
This is getting worse.  Where is your pride?  A real man would not take such abuse. such misery. 
 
You girlfriend was miserable and mean spirited.  Such comes across even in her photos. 
 
One word of caution - many people end up in relationships with someone similar to their ex-.   And some of these RW can be difficult.  If you do pursue this, choose optimistic warm women who make you feel good about yourself. 
 
This is you life.  Perhaps you should consult a psychologist.  Don't buy self-help videos.     

[Faux Pas]

WOW! The times they are a changing huh? Back in the day even the ugliest rock and rollers got the babes.


Listen RR, there is nothing wrong with you physically but, looking to the "man in the mirror" earlier would make a lot of sense from what you've stated here already. Your comments about looking like Rocky in Mask are completely unjustified and quite frankly an insult to those who suffer from that disease.


My early prognosis is that you are not over that bitch of a GF that dumped you. You have a lot of work to do. Both getting over her and working on your self esteem. If what you say is true, you have all you need to bag the local women sans the self confidence. It doesn't matter where you go manipulative women will smell that out and take advantage of it or run like their ass was on fire. None will fix you, you'll have to do that yourself. Why not start now?


I'd advise you to first buy a puppy and hold off on making a rush to judgement about Ukrainian women. They aren't lining up to move to the USA. Those that are will be much worse than your ex. Stick around and read up. There are literally thousands of hours or reading here. Much of which could be a gateway of discovery for you. The early return is that you don't strike anyone thus far as ready for any relationship. There's nothing here you can't fix. It is you however, who has to do it.


Good luck guy

[romeorose]

I am browsing through the girls on the elenas models website, are these girls really real girls?????? I've never seen girls this beautiful anywhere before. I mean like all of these girls are beyond being perfect 10's. they are all 11's. I mean I've looked through nearly 100 of their profiles so far and all of them look even better than famous actresses here, in my opinion anyway. Most of these photos are pro shot I can tell. I know we aren't supposed to fall in love with the photos, because make up/lighting/and photo shop is playing a part, but even still, I imagine without all that these girls would still look like a ten compared to american women. i read in a older 2006 post where someone said some of elenas models are actually prostitutes pretending to be interested, but yet in that same thread I read where one of the mods met his wife from there. I just find it odd that I haven't seen any average women yet on there, they are all dimes. But maybe they only show you the cream of the crop to get you to be a member? I haven't signed up yet. I think I am going to go ahead and go all out and get the platnium package at $500 for a year. My understanding from what I've read on here is that there are scams and liars on all the sites, but that elenas models is probably the most honest of them all, but even so just be careful and use common sense, I'm going to try it.


 I'm actually getting a little excited about this whole prospect, I've been watching videos today on youtube trying to learn to speak some common words & phrases in Ukrainian, English is my only language, so if I am going to try this I feel like I need to put forth 100% effort and actually start trying to learn a little of the language. I am hoping any girl I start talking to there will know some english, but in any case, I think learning some of their language will maybe help me earn some respect. Also I've been thinking that another advantage of seeking a girl out from so far away is that, it shows I'm more serious about a relationship and not just trying to get laid. I mean, I guess some rich guys may do that, but I'm not rich. I certainly could get laid cheaper in the US than I could by paying airfare and all the trouble of going there and back. I mean sex is easy to get in the US if you don't mind paying a little for it, but that's not what I'm after. I've been reading some of you alls experiences of going over there and spending time with your women, it all sounds so romantic, I am a hopeless romantic for sure, I didn't get my name for no reason, haha. I feel blessed to have found this website, I am like a sponge trying to learn all I can. A lot of things have been happening in my life lately, I know this will sound crazy but I feel as if God has given me a new vision & direction in life, and that this could also fit into that big picture. Everything happens for a reason. I don't think it was just randomness that I found this website.
RR

[Daveman]

...they won't me as materialistic and shallow as most American women are.

There is no "they"... some of them can be insanely materialistic and a great many are very status oriented.  I'd surmise that within the subgroup of FSUW seeking a foreign partner that the percentage of materialistic and/or status junkies are higher to very higher. Sure you can find "normal" women (for you, i.e., women with a similar attitude as yourself) but you probably also could in Austin as well you were to diversify your search venue.  Certainly not a panacea.

Perhaps they will be more appreciative and also greatful & thankful just for the opportunity to come live in America.

This actually caused me to explode with maniacal laughter.  Uh, don't expect a lot of "thankfulness" that you will rescue her.  It's your job as the man to court her, bring her to America to have a family.. why should she be thankful that you do what she expects is just what a man should do?  She'll be thankful she found a good man and will "do" what she perceives as "her job" as a woman and show you.  But, don't expect to be heralded and lauded for a rescue expedition.  She's giving you as much -- you are rescuing each other in a sense.  Does that make sense?   

Also seems like the competition is harder here in the US, lots of guys make a lot more money than me and are much better looking than me. Maybe a girl from the Ukraine would be different. I figure I have more to offer a woman in the Ukraine than a woman in the US.

Why do you think this? Just because she'd have a "better life" in America? If so, see comment above.. 

Even if I am to just be used to help her get to the US and gain citizenship, I am ok with that as long as I get to have a few years of companionship.

Well, honesty is good.. bizarre.. but seemingly honest.  But, why settle for that? 

...I really don't care about love. I was with a woman for 11 years, if that wasn't love, then nothing is love, but if it was love then we should have been together forever because love is supposed to last forever. I really don't believe in love anymore after that. It's a illusion. But I do not want to be alone. I want a girl that I can share all the things that life has to offer with, someone I can do things in life together with. Someone to walk hand and hand through a park with or watch the sunset with. I like to be with someone and do things like that.

Waxing a little poetic there?     


Some believe nothing lasts forever.  The universe seems to imply that is true in most every aspect.  The Law of Entropy is ever active.  Some have the talent of counteracting that tendency.  I think it's more of a honed skill combined with a little luck - and two people who share the same desires and beliefs.

...so I am thinking looks must not be as important to those women as they are to women in the US. In the US looks are everything to a woman, no US woman is going to date anyone out of her league, she's going to date the best looking guy she possibly can. This is a last resort effort for me. It's either try this or just give up on life all together.
RR

Well, physical attractiveness is important to everyone. Luckily,  we each define attractiveness from a unique perspective.  I doubt your looks will cause nearly the problem you think it will. However, your (seeming) lack of self confidence would be amazingly ugly to just about any woman.  I think your problem with local women probably lies in the vibe you give off rather than with looks.  That vibe will have the very same effect on "normal" FSUW and you'd likely wind up with another abuser like your ex, who thinks you should be ever thankful she rescued you...


The answer lies not within Ukraine but within yourself first.  Don't settle for less in a woman, and most importantly, don't settle for (or believe) less in yourself.

[Misha]

Reread what Dave wrote. You have to be careful not to fall for the hype. It is not easy getting out of toxic relationship. I am curious, though, was you ex-gf older than you?

[romeorose]

Yes she was 18 years older than me. I started seeing her when I was 23. I will be 37 next month. I think she will be 55 as well next month, she was born Sept 19 1956 and I was born Sept 18 1974. So I used to always tell people hey she's only a day older haha

[Misha]

Yes my ex-girlfriend made me feel bad about myself, she told me I am ugly and that she's the only girl that will ever have me, and I will never have another girlfriend. I was with her about 11 years. She's the only girlfriend I've ever had before.

Clearly she had some pretty major issues and unfortunately she inflicted some collateral damage on you over the years. It will be hard, but you will have to work at getting her voice out of your head and (re)gaining confidence.

[romeorose]

So I take it FSUW have a very much more traditional philosophy of the male/female roles in a relationship, much like we had in the US in the 50's before women got all free and equal, and now a days you have men that stay at home and raise the kids while the women go out and work, I take it that type of attitude would really be looked down upon by FSUW? So, with that in mind I will assume it's very, very important to portray your traits as that of a strong male provider etc.? As the FSUW are probably more attracted to that type of macho guy, as opposed to the sensitive artistic type? I know to be myself, but at the same time, I could easily emphasise certain traits I have and downplay others if it would mean appearing more attractive.

Like for example, from what I've read on this forum, I don't think most FSUW would at all "get" or "appreciate" a man that was a artist in the vain of say people like, Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins, or Robert Smith from The Cure, or CC Deville from Poison even, haha

I mean from what I've read, it seems as though most FSUW would kind of look down on those types as not being "manly" enough.

Perhaps FSUW have more respect with men of power? As I've noticed quite a few people in this forum are ex military, maybe that's seen as a plus in their eyes?

I'm just trying to get a "feel" of what their general attitudes are in contrast to general attitudes of US women.

I guess it also fits in with, hey when/if I go over there I will make sure not to blow my nose in public, as I read many there find that offensive, I find it interesting to see little subtle differences like that, in a lot of ways people every where are basically the same, people are people, but then there's these little small subtelties in cultures, which I find interesting.

It's going to take me a couple weeks or more to really digest this entire forum, but I have been known to have insomnia at times, haha.

I agree with you about the whole self confidence thing. Sometimes I have it, then other times I feel like I get brought down, sometimes by that little voice in ones head, sometimes by a experience of rejection, but a lot of times I just try to fake it until I make it.