What are the best websites I can use to correspond with women in the Ukraine???

[Daveman]

And some of these pretty girls shave every morning and pee standing up.
 
  ...

 


Women can write their names in the snow too... 


...they just have to walk considerably farther.

[Daveman]

uhhh, just to avoid confusion... I was referring to MY joke as being off topic... the comment about some of the "women" on the sites shaving and standing to pee is on target as being yet another possibility in the world of scams.  I think these posers are more common in the email scams than on the sites, but certainly they do exist the questionable variable being the numbers.

[Muzh]

uhhh, just to avoid confusion... I was referring to MY joke as being off topic... the comment about some of the "women" on the sites shaving and standing to pee is on target as being yet another possibility in the world of scams.  I think these posers are more common in the email scams than on the sites, but certainly they do exist the questionable variable being the numbers.

Relax newlywed, I got it.   

[Hammer2722]

As someone who has used AnastasiaDate for over a year and a half and THROWN AWAY thousands of dollars, I would recommend that you close your account now and start your search with a more reputable agency like Elena's or the free sites.
 
The chances are that you have been writing letters to an agency employee (translator) and the lady you are talking to is a prodater or agency employee. These young ladies are hired and trained by AD to use men any way they can to continue making them spend money whether its by letters, phone chat, videochat. If you send gifts flowers through the agency, many of these women have pre-made photos by the agency holding their gifts while the money you spent on this is pocketed and split between your lady and the agency. Then, when you have finally made the trip the fleecing does not end yet. If you have rented an apartment through them or are using their interpreters, taxis, expensive restaurants,pressure trips to the mall etc, you will be getting ripped off. Trust me. I have been through it all and finally wised up to the deception after 4 days in Ukraine.
 
Are there real women on AD? Absolutely! Are they serious about finding a WM for marriage? I'd say about 98% are not!!! I finally found my lady on Ukrainedate after staying away from the pay-per-letter sites. My only regret is that I had not found these forums to learn this before getting taken for thousands!!!!!!
 
Take this for what it is worth.   

[SANDRO43]

And some of these pretty girls shave every morning and pee standing up.

I suspect this is going out of fashion . I am experiencing increasing difficulties in finding normal, button-fly boxers:

Shops and dept. stores here see to be concentrating on this type:

Since 'extraction' is a considerably difficult operation with them on, I'm assuming their wearers have taken to squatting .

[Hammer2722]

I suspect this is going out of fashion . I am experiencing increasing difficulties in finding normal, button-fly boxers:

Shops and dept. stores here see to be concentrating on this type:

Since 'extraction' is a considerably difficult operation with them on, I'm assuming their wearers have taken to squatting .

LOL, Your awsome Sandro!!!!

[Muzh]

I suspect this is going out of fashion . I am experiencing increasing difficulties in finding normal, button-fly boxers:

Shops and dept. stores here see to be concentrating on this type:

Since 'extraction' is a considerably difficult operation with them on, I'm assuming their wearers have taken to squatting .

It takes a very "dextrous" hand. 

[joe24]

What are the best websites I can use to correspond with women in the Ukraine??? 

Do not use "A foreign affair", its now worse than Army of Brides

I wrote 4 girls, all 4 wrote back and said: ""I can not write you my email address on this site - it`s prohibited here -""

Where does it say on their web site that you are prohibited to exchange contact info?

Cost me about $180, I just called visa and asked for a refund.

AFA was better before but now its the biggest scam agency.

Stay away from AFA

[Gator]

Thanks for the advice,,,
I want to continue talking to the UW i meet on AD, What info should i get?
 

Try to understand this woman enough to decide if you would like her even if she were average looking.  Even though you do not understand her language, you really need to decide if her personality is not only compatible with yours but makes you feel easy, is someone whom you would enjoy talking with for hours and hours. 
 
If you will visit only this woman, and no others, you need to understand fully her values, goals and character.   
 
I will recommend again that you talk with English speaking women from another agency or introduction source.  I expect the contrast  to be stark.
 
 

[Misha]

 


Women can write their names in the snow too... 


...they just have to walk considerably farther.

Or, they can buy one of these 


I saw them when I was standing in line at the Vancouver MEC 

[Jumper]

What should you obtain from her if going to pursue this?
 
nothing short of her direct contact info..
if she's seriously interested this shouldn't be difficult.
you said you may skype soon, then its extreemly easy for her to give her mobile number or personal email.
 
please dont fall for the *i dont have one* routine..
either email or cell..
if she says that,
 then she is not interested, for any mulititude of reasons that do not matter.
move on.
 
Most UW are born with a cell phone embeded in one ear..
and certainly have an email address
 The exceptions to this are so rare that its like you dating a true albino.possible ? yes! likely ?no.
 
 
 
anyway for now you have her name..
if you want , and really that interested,
you could try and  find her listed on sites like mamba.run mail.ru (the my world portion,like myspace)
 or vkontakte.ru (like a russian facebook)
 
she may or may nor be listed,,
but if so, then  contact her there?
 The response, or lack of , would tell you quite a lot.
 
she should be pursuing you a bit if intertested.. so making it a bit easy to find her at other places than such agencies.
 
the skype session *might* be a step towards that..
but certainly wouldnt be the first AD girl to skype with a guy away from the agency and not be serious,
you'd still need to base her interest in you like you would any local woman.
 As long as you've corresponding,  you should be talking on the phone or skype by now. so it seems a positive shes headed that way..
keep grounded , and if shes truly interested, it should show accordingly.
 

[LAman]

Yes, I have considered that, I am being Duped,,,,

I have spent enough $,, 200-300, Although it's not really very much considering that's only a few dinner dates with a American woman "depending on were you live of course", It will be less expensive at her local agency. most scams work the other way right, get you to pay more?. I hope to skype her this weekend, Her idea,,, as she will be in her home town and have access to a computer..

 I want to continue talking to the UW i meet on AD, What info should i get?

 

Darth....I am very knowledgeable about anastasia and find it hard to believe you spent only $200-$300 in a year's time writing 8-15 girls in beginning then dwindled it down to one. Got to be at least $10 for letter and return each time. Maybe you just lost tract of what was spent.
 
You could easily, if girl is willing, to get her contact info on chat(forget video)for 10 minutes and it be same price as a letter. Not sure what you meant by using her 'agency'...her local agency? Does this mean she has no computer at home? If not....is she willing to go to cafe to write you? And as Jack described, have her write you in russian and you can get it translated. To me, you have to meet a girl within a few months of writing...you just don't know much until you actually meet.....and anastasia is dangerous for those that fall in love with pics or who don't know what they are doing.

[Darth_Budda]

Okay your right i did loose track a bit,,, but not much,,, it's more like $400 on the UW i am talking to,,,, i have spent more lets just say it was enough.
money is money lets leave it at that,,, the big picture is i have "not sold the farm", to pay for this... I am getting to the more $$ part,, that's why i appreciate the advice.. I am listening..

She never had her profile accepting gifts on AD until i asked her about it,,, she answered why,,, no access to internet to use the other services.
but she got the hint, and changed her profile,, I sent her some flowers for her birthday... "IDC what you guys say on this one,, i wanted to. So I did."

She asked me to call her, so I did we exchanged emails,,,, She got mine find but i got hers messed up,,, 
I had mentioned some thing about this before. She reminded me about the email...

Her manager at her local agency in Ukraine sent me a email, saying basically that she wanted to continue our correspondence on a more personal level..
we are using both AD and her local agency.  The local place is less expensive not more,,,

She got a vacation,, and went home to see her parents,, we were gonna skype,, but She sent me a msagage that her parents had made other plans,, and they were going out of town to see relatives,,,

So i will say I don't feel I am being scammed,, but I know the possibility exists for it to happen.

So any way,,, Downloaded the Rosetta Stone program,,
My face is sore now... a lot of new sounds..   

I will have a update soon...

I agree it's about time i get her actual contact info and contact her directly as well as through the interpreter..

Better city to visit Kiev or Lugansk?


And any independent service providers in Kiev?
Maybe a good way to help gauge the whole situation.

Like hand deliver a letter and a flower?
and than they could tell me her reaction...
That sounds like honest way to go about it?
It would not offend her unless it was unwanted.

If i know her name and what she does it should not be that hard to find her, for some one living in Ukraine? right.


 

[Jack]

Hey Darth, you don't need anyone telling how stupid this is or that is. You don't need someone jumping your case big time for things you have discussed with us.  You came here for help and advice and not to be treated like a kid and for sure to be shown no dis-respect.   
 
Most the guy's here have been pretty light on you. Most the guy's here try to show newby's respect often thinking back to when they themselves were in your same shoes.   
 
With that being said Darth, and the more you share with us, the more I am inclined to believe, and tell you, that I think your being played.   
 
Scammed?   Scam can come in many different styles and flavors.  In your case you are paying a fee, and then some, to communicate with women.  And you are.  So are you being scammed?     Are all the ladies you are writing, are they writing you back, or an Anastasia employee?   I'm sure some of the women are writing you back, and maybe all of them.  Are all the ladies who are writing you back have a real interest in you, or in marriage to a foreign man, or are they doing this as a form of compensation being paid to them?   Darth, I think the answer is a little of all above.   
 
Hate to say this but I think your number one choice woman is playing you along. I think their is a chance maybe she receives some compensation from your letters, gifts. 
 
As a newby I can see how you could see this is not the case.   As someone who is a professional in this industry, it's rather obvious to me.   
 
Ok, what next?  Most guys want proof. They know what they know and they ain't be scammed regardless of what these other guy's are saying.  I realize many men have to see the proof before they believe this.   I would suggest you cut back on some of the writing and set a time to meet this lady.  You really should try to meet her before October 10th.  Why before October 10th?  I can't explain it, it's amazing.  The first week of October, it's ok. My goal is to try to be out of Ukraine by October 10th as winter comes to Russia and Ukraine quickly.  Last year I did not get out until October 12th and guess what I saw on October 11th?   Snow flurries.   
 
So with that being said, why don't you try to meet this woman in September.   If she lives in Kiev, or Lugansk, go to her city and try to find a handful of other ladies who interest you who also live in the city you are going to go to.
 
 

[Jumper]

 

The local place is less expensive not more,,,

 
 
and mail.ru , or many other websites are free
 
translation is a cop out, a  LARGE PERCENTAGE of the time,
 as you could also hire a translator on your end for letters and even three way phone conversatiomns,
several of the RW members here priove such services.
 

She got a vacation,, and went home to see her parents,, we were gonna skype,, but She sent me a msagage that her parents had made other plans,, and they were going out of town to see relatives,,,

So i will say I don't feel I am being scammed,, but I know the possibility exists for it to happen.

and like Jack, the more detail you share ,the more I am
sure that your situation sketchy at best.
 
 

So any way,,, Downloaded the Rosetta Stone program,,
My face is sore now... a lot of new sounds..   

I will have a update soon...

I agree it's about time i get her actual contact info and contact her directly as well as through the interpreter..

seriously it's way past time..
even RW with almost zero english,*if not with such an agency*  would be open to you calling them or contacting them directly long before this.
 
some profile off freepersonals.ru or mamba.ru as example,
would likely have already moved on if you DINT call by now..
or exchange direct emails.That is more typical of a serious RW.
 
 
it's a stark contrast, that I hope you experience someday..
 
and there are generally reasons for such a stark contrast..
i'm not saying drop her,. but i am saying if you had experience you would quaetion this scenario far more, and be well prepared for it to entirely evaporate when you landed in Ukraine.
 
 
my advise, listen to Jack and prepare well.
 
 

 

[Darth_Budda]

Update::

I have her

cell phone #
e-Mail
Parents mailing address,,,

Not sure what else I could ask for,,,

Got my Passport reissued,,, Be here in 3-4 weeks,,,

I asked for her to write me in Russian and for the local agency to send me both the Russian and Translated version.
I found that Google Translate can almost do the same, but the human translation is much better.

So with that being said, I am going to write her a few letters directly to her email with google translate,
Thanks everyone for the advice, Don't worry I won't pull a home depot. My experience should be a good read for others on the forum,
No matter what the outcome.

I still can't go until winter,, I am sure the weather can't be much different than a Northern New York winter..
Ukraine is not to far north. I am guessing they get a lot of snow from the black sea though.. I enjoy the winter

I was reading somewhere they had ski hills in Ukraine. I need to look some up,,

Just a crazy though?
I wounder if i could get a job as a English Snowboard instructor,, and be a Ski Bum for a month or two,,, LoL 

Any one on the forum know anything about the Ski Hills?? Are they similar to east coast USA ski hills "Small" or West coast Ski Hills "Huge"?
I will ask Google, He knows everything!

[Gator]

I still can't go until winter,, I am sure the weather can't be much different than a Northern New York winter..
Ukraine is not to far north. I am guessing they get a lot of snow from the black sea though.. I enjoy the winter

I grew up in the South and went to graduate school at Cornell.    It felt about the same as Kiev one cold winter when I was there.  Two differences - much more snow at Cornell, and Cornell is not in the snow belt.   If you attended Paul Smith or Pottsdam,  your trip to Kiev will be a walk on the beach.   Also, Kiev was not as windy.
 
If you venture to Siberia, you will think you are at Paul Smith on a bad day.  One evening last winter I spoke to my Cossack woman and it was -40C!!!!!!  Incidentally, -40C = -40F.  The coldest at Cornell when there was -25F.
 
 

I was reading somewhere they had ski hills in Ukraine. I need to look some up,,

Moscow has a ski jump near center city.  Give that a try.

[Boethius]

Having lived in both, I think Kyiv at -3C was more bone chillingly cold than Alberta (which has winters similar to those in Siberia) at -25C.  My husband said the same.  He also lived in (then) Leningrad, and said the winters there were brutal, compared to Alberta (and, of course, Kyiv).  The reason is the humidity.

-40C is very tolerable if there is no wind and you're bundled up.  If it is windy, it is indeed miserable.

Misha is from Alberta.  I wonder if his perception differs from mine.

[Darth_Budda]

I am surprised you know were Paul Smith is,,,,

We built a women's dormitory Their many years back.

I Live further north than Paul Smiths,,, But We don't get a ton of snow,,,

From what the UW I am talking to writes,, the weather is Very similar,,

[Gator]

I am surprised you know were Paul Smith is,,,,

Paul Smith is legendary among the few that know about it.  My first wife told me about the college and its rugged students ( we honeymooned at Lake Placid,  skied Whitepace Moontain a long, long time ago).  Later I hired a Paul Smith graduate and heard more lore of the place.   So few know it, but those who do really appreciate it as something different and special.  Akin to being a fan of Tom Waits music.

[Misha]

Misha is from Alberta.  I wonder if his perception differs from mine.

Humidity does make it seem colder. I didn't particularly like Toronto winter's for this reason, and hot and humid is even worse    However, as the old adage goes, there is no bad weather, only inappropriate clothing. A good pair of long johns will get you through any cold, though now you would likely want the ones made from merino wool as it is the trendy fabric for cold weather undergarments

[ML]

Or, they can buy one of these 


I saw them when I was standing in line at the Vancouver MEC 

Do you mean you saw women using them while standing in line?   

[Hammer2722]

Hey Darth, I can't stress highly enough to you about leaving AD and using a free or monthly dating site. Sure, the girl your talking to is real. Ok, so was the lady I'd been chatting to on AD for 8 months. when I eventually got to Odessa to meet her, It was like meeting an entirely different personality. For 4 days I was taken on a whirlwind money-spending spree which cost me close to $4000.00 before my big head finally took over from the little head. Spent the next 14 days on my own exploring Odessa and actually enjoyed the rest of my trip.
 
If your going to send flowers, use one of the many on-line flower delivery sites in Ukraine. I promise you it will be much, much cheaper than the raping you will get with AD's "gift" services. Take it from someone who has already been there and spent far too much for nothing.
 
I used Ukrainedate to find my current Ukrainian GF and can honestly tell you that AD is doing nothing more than providing you with a fantasy for your money. Everybody here is trying to keep you from the same situations that most of us have experienced. I guess some guys just have to actually get burned before they believe that the fire is bad for you......

[Misha]

Do you mean you saw women using them while standing in line?   

LOL! No, I simply saw them being sold. For people peeing in public, there are other places in Vancouver where that can be seen and I do my best to avoid those 

[Darth_Budda]

I am not using AD anymore to talk to her.. "well i got a few more to use up"

I am going through her local agency, Which is cheaper,,,

I have all her contact info, so I am starting to use it...

I am thankful for all the advice, I am listening.

As for my trip to Ukraine,

I don't have any plans in paper yet still doing so research..

I will most likely go Bukovel for a good part of it.
I need to find out still if they have a halfpipe?

So If all fails I can just visit some more ski hills. 

I was thinking of sending her and her parents some maple syrup.
To try the address out.

I am looking at this whole situation closer, Because of the communities advice.

I don't think I will be doing any of those 4 day money spending sprees..

I will just go snowboarding,,,