Western Concern Grows Over Tymoshenko Arrest..bail requests rejected

[tfcrew]

The U.S. State Department says the arrest of former Ukranian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko appears to be politically motivated and that she should be released immediately. 

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/08/09/western-concern-grows-over-tymoshenko-arrest/

Ukrainian court refuses to free former prime minister following her arrest for contempt on Friday during abuse of office trial........

That & related stories...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/08/yulia-tymoshenko-bail-requests-rejected

[Muzh]

It amazes me that Goldilocks will turn out to be a martyr. What a F'ud Up country that is.

[tfcrew]

The issue is gaining steam....

Four EU Nations Criticize Tymoshenko Arrest in Ukraine

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/08/09/four-eu-nations-criticize-tymoshenko-arrest-in-ukraine/

[Shadow]

There are two ways to look at this...

1. Democracy still rules and the court will not let people get away with corruption.
2. Timoshenko is kept in jail to undermine a possible return in the next election, no matter if she took money for herself as everyone in power does that.

Choose your poison...

[tfcrew]

Right to assemble ban video...

http://www.euronews.net/2011/08/07/kiev-bans-protests-against-arrest-of-tymoshenko/

Ole' Vik says he's staying out of it all but bans the supporters?

Yulia Tymoshenko  got a boost to her morale as she was informed that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is discussing her case with Ukrainian counterpart and Tymoshenko ’s bitter foe Viktor Yanukovich.

http://themoscownews.com/politics/20110811/188916984.html

Since she swung the gas deal w/Russia, I guess that's par.

What I read last week...

She was arrested in the courtroom on Aug. 5 for contempt, after prosecutors said she openly mocked a witness, the current prime minister, Mykola Azarov, for speaking in Russian.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/yulia_v_tymoshenko/index.html

Onward after the witch. Good Lord!

[Muzh]

http://themoscownews.com/politics/20110811/188916984.html

Since she swung the gas deal w/Russia, I guess that's par.

What is Russia to do? If she is found guilty of this "crime" that would make Putin an accomplice.
 
She'll be fine. The big loser here is Yanukonvict. If she is jailed, she becomes a martyr. If she is released, she'll prove that the whole judiciary, including Yanukonvicts government, is totally corrupt. There is no way in hell he will be able to save face. That's what happens when you have idiots running the government.
 
See more:
 
The Tymoshenko Reality Show
http://www.rferl.org/content/yulia_tymoshenko_reality_show_ukraine_trial/24292927.html
 
Even In Prison, Tymoshenko Keeping Up Appearances
http://www.rferl.org/content/yulia_tymoshenko_ukraine_prison_becomes_her/24292722.html
 
Trial Resumes Of Former Ukrainian PM Yulia Tymoshenko
http://www.rferl.org/content/tymoshenko_trial_resumes_ukraine/24292393.html
 
 

[Boethius]

Tymoshenko deserves arrest and imprisonment.  She has stolen billions.    I don't view this as a political prosecution.
 
I find it mock worthy that she would mock the PM for speaking Russian, when Tymoshenko also is not fluent in Ukrainian.  All her Ukrainian text is prepared.  She cannot speak Ukrainian without a script. 
 
Yushchenko should be next as he, too, profited from stolen gas funds, and his wife has stolen money set aside for a hospital, but, as he is now in the sympathetic West, I am not certain this will occur.

[SteveOR]

Tymoshenko deserves arrest and imprisonment.  She has stolen billions.    I don't view this as a political prosecution.
 
I find it mock worthy that she would mock the PM for speaking Russian, when Tymoshenko also is not fluent in Ukrainian.  All her Ukrainian text is prepared.  She cannot speak Ukrainian without a script. 
 
Yushchenko should be next as he, too, profited from stolen gas funds, and his wife has stolen money set aside for a hospital, but, as he is now in the sympathetic West, I am not certain this will occur.

Can you quote a source for this?
 

[Boethius]

It is in Ukrainian papers daily and no, they are not controlled by Yanukovich.  They've been reporting the same stories since before the Orange Revolution.
 
Tymoshenko claims she owns nothing, other than her Soviet era apartment.  Yet, her credit card bills, which were, for lack of a better Western description, "subpoenaed",  demonstrate a markedly different story.  How does someone who claims to own nothing more than a run down apartment spend hundreds of thousands of dollars monthly?
 
Tymoshenko was a protegee of Pavlo Lazarenko.  She took his position by turning on him, and what she learned from him is to never, ever, sign a document.  So, there is no "A to B" paper trail against her.  But at least one of her minions has her on tape discussing cutting the profits of selling gas to the EU which Ukrainians paid for.

[SteveOR]

It is in Ukrainian papers daily and no, they are not controlled by Yanukovich.  They've been reporting the same stories since before the Orange Revolution.
 
Tymoshenko claims she owns nothing, other than her Soviet era apartment.  Yet, her credit card bills, which were, for lack of a better Western description, "subpoenaed",  demonstrate a markedly different story.  How does someone who claims to own nothing more than a run down apartment spend hundreds of thousands of dollars monthly?
 
Tymoshenko was a protegee of Pavlo Lazarenko.  She took his position by turning on him, and what she learned from him is to never, ever, sign a document.  So, there is no "A to B" paper trail against her.  But at least one of her minions has her on tape discussing cutting the profits of selling gas to the EU which Ukrainians paid for.

How about a link to one of those reports in a Ukrainian paper that says "She has stolen billions"?  Since there is a "daily" report on this it shouldn't be too hard to find and post.  Right?
 
 

[Boethius]

I'll provide you a link to some of the newspapers later, as I am just heading out.  You can search them yourself.

[SteveOR]

I'll provide you a link to some of the newspapers later, as I am just heading out.  You can search them yourself.

You're the one making the outrageous statements (as usual) so I'll let you provide sources.  If you can. . .
 
 

[Boethius]

Nothing I have stated is out of line with anything you'd read on a Ukrainian language forum. 
 
 Sorry, I'm not playing your game.  If you want to support a faux braided phony populist who can't speak the language of the people, but won't admit it, that's your choice.  I'm not wasting time on you. 

If someone else is interested in a true discussion of the issue, I will track down the information.

[JohnDearGreen]

According to Ukrainian media Tymoshenko lives in a estate in Koncha-Zaspa (estimated worth: $5 million), "rented from a friend for free" (see it at 0:36 in video below).  Probably a mafia friend.  Former Presidents Kravchuk, Kuchma, and Yushchenko all have lived in state-owned daches in Koncha-Zaspa.

Koncha-Zaspa
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[SteveOR]

Nothing I have stated is out of line with anything you'd read on a Ukrainian language forum. 

How about a link to a real story on CBC, BBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Kyiv Post, Pravda, The St. Petersburg Times or other real news source that says that she has stolen billions.  OK, Fox if you really have to.
 

Sorry, I'm not playing your game.  If you want to support a faux braided phony populist who can't speak the language of the people, but won't admit it, that's your choice.  I'm not wasting time on you. 

Couldn't care less about Tymoshenko.  I'm interested in documented facts provided by knowledgeable people.
 

If someone else is interested in a true discussion of the issue, I will track down the information.

"She has stolen Billions"  Did I quote you correctly on that?  Since you're such an expert on all things Ukrainian you shouldn't have any difficulty in proving it.  Put your money where your mouth is.
 

[JohnDearGreen]

How about a link to a real story on CBC, BBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Kyiv Post, Pravda, The St. Petersburg Times or other real news source that says that she has stolen billions.  OK, Fox if you really have to.
 
Couldn't care less about Tymoshenko.  I'm interested in documented facts provided by knowledgeable people.

Since many major gas deals are probably eventually funneled down through an FSU criminal middleman currently on the FBI 10 most wanted list, it is unlikely that any journalist or businessman would be foolish enough to admit having any documents with details of those deals.

[Boethius]

According to Ukrainian media Tymoshenko lives in a estate in Koncha-Zaspa (estimated worth: $5 million), "rented from a friend for free" (see it at 0:36 in video below).  Probably a mafia friend.  Former Presidents Kravchuk, Kuchma, and Yushchenko all have lived in state-owned daches in Koncha-Zaspa.

Koncha-Zaspa
[youtube]sBhpDd7wStU[/youtube][/size]

That's true, but Tymoshenko says nothing belongs to her.  Today, her offshore business' credit card expenses were released, and she spent in one day what a town of 20,000 spent in a day.  I will post the link later.

[tfcrew]

 
 

Nothing I have stated is out of line with anything you'd read on a Ukrainian language forum.   

If someone else is interested in a true discussion of the issue, I will track down the information.

She has blown a lot of bucks [according to the Russian press]....

As it turned out, furs and expensive purchases Tymoshenko has spent more than a million dollars, including bars, hotels and restaurants – more than 150 thousand green for one year. Tymoshenko herself has said Kuzmin over the Internet – say, fur like the boss.

http://mysouth.su/2011/07/the-myth-of-fair-and-poor-tymoshenko-destroyed/
I couldn't find anything nor have I ever heard anything about 'Billion$'

[SteveOR]

 She has blown a lot of bucks [according to the Russian press]....http://mysouth.su/2011/07/the-myth-of-fair-and-poor-tymoshenko-destroyed/
I couldn't find anything nor have I ever heard anything about 'Billion$'

My antivirus program won't let me open the mysouth link.  It looks like there may be a malware program in the page.
 
Found this:
 
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/1241901-kuzmin-u-timoshenko-byla-kreditnaya-kartochka-s-kotoroj-ona-potratila-1-mln-na-lichnye-nuzhdy
 
Google Translated:
 
"Attorney General's Office has information about credit card Batkіvschiny leader Yulia Tymoshenko, with whom she spent more than a million dollars for personal needs.

The investigation has documents confirming the transfer of money from companies in the private Somali Enterprises disposal Tymoshenko. We have a bank card and printing costs with this card in person Timoshenko", - said Acting Attorney-General Renat Kuzmin Ukraine.

Only in this investigation explored Julia has spent between $ 1 million for personal use. What is meant by personal needs: paying in shops, restaurants, purchase of furs, fur coats ..." - he added.

With regard to personal spending and the presence of corruption component in it, just to pay for hotel services in hotels, bars and restaurants in hotels throughout the year and a half Tymoshenko spent more than $ 150 000" - said Kuzmin.

He also noted that the company Somali Enterprises according to documents obtained from the American judiciary, belongs to the company were directed, led by Tymoshenko was a long time.

The acquisition of expensive jewelry and other things, the card that American justice is confirmed, as a company owned by Timoshenko, and there is evidence of the most corrupt part of which lies at the heart of all gas schemes", - said Acting Attorney General.

Earlier today, Kuzmin said that former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to Russian companies and the Ministry of Defense of Russia more than $ 405 millionEarlier today, Kuzmin said that former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to Russian companies and the Ministry of Defense of Russia more than $ 405 million"
 
 
Maybe somebody who can read Russian can get more out of this.  I'd be curious to get a better translation of the line that references $405 Million.  It looks like it might be a defense contract kind of thing with Russia.  At that amount I doubt that it would have anything to do with a credit card.  Otherwise, no mention of personally acquiring "billions". . .
 

[Jack]

She has stolen billions.   

       
 

How about a link to one of those reports in a Ukrainian paper that says "She has stolen billions"?   

       
 

If someone else is interested in a true discussion of the issue, I will track down the information.

       
 
 
 
Please Boethius, I would like very much to read of these true discussions.  And see these links supporting her stealing of these billions.   Thanks.   

[Boethius]

And how would you do so since you read neither Russian nor Ukrainian, Jack?

Anyway, if you go through the articles in the links below, you will indeed find many references to Tymoshenko's illegal activities, including theft of gas, manipulation of the sugar market, and distribution of hundreds of millions to cronies, going all the way back to the mid 1990's, when she and her husband first began stealing gas (facilitated via United Energy Systems).  This is nothing new, it's been reported in Ukraine's press for over a decade.  The current trial is the third trial I can think of. 

As I posted, she is wily enough to never sign a document, something she learned after turning over Lazarenko.

http://korrespondent.net/search?q=%DE%EB%E8%FF+%D2%E8%EC%EE%F8%E5%ED%EA%EE&w=news

[JohnDearGreen]

And see these links supporting her stealing of these billions.   Thanks.   

The approximate number is $11 billion.  The $11 billion dollar woman is frequently mentioned in articles if you do a google search on Tymoshenko and Unified Energy Systems.
http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/09/yulia-tymoshenko-election-hah-corrupt.html

[Muzh]

Can you quote a source for this?

Sure. You can try:
 
www.pravda.com.ua That is, if they have not yet been shut down by Yanukonvict.
 
or this one
 
http://zn.ua/

[Muzh]

Jack and SteveOR.
 
I have been following this whole debacle (Orange Revolution) since before its inception. I met a writer in Kiev in 1999 who told us (Me and the Wife) to watch for developments to unfold. And I did.
 
I have quite a few friends in UA and outside UA who are doing the same and we compare notes. IF you really want me to dig, it is going to take a long time. However, I can direct you to the forum (in English) where you can search ALL the links proving Boe's assertion.
 
Boe, who would be your candidate?

[Boethius]

Boe, who would be your candidate?

Sorry, not following.  Candidate for .  .  . ?