Is this lady a Scammer?

[sdgill58]

At present i am in contact with lady called Inessa[deleted] , 42 yrs old from Vinnytsya in the Ukraine.
I recently asked her to provide me with her home address, so that i could send her some flowers and hard copies of photographs and postcards of my town etc.
Her address is [deleted] 21001 VINNYTSYA, UKRAINE.
When i google this address the search engine cannot find it properly , when i ask her for more information she just gives me the same details she is willing to meet with me, but only in Kiev and not her home town for 2-3 days maximum.
Also she appears on 3 other sites as well elenas models , the other sites are heavenleyhearts.net, mypartnerforever.com and russiangirls-brides.com.
Most importantly on a website called www.love24h.com on the scammer profile list.
I know that disgruntled ex partners can try to smear genuine women , but I obviously need try to verify wether or not she is genuine or a scammer

[personal info deleted by mod]

[bobcat]

Wouldn't it best mods to take personal details off the site? No proven scammer-no justification for displaying the info...


Apart from that, get her personal info and try to communicate by phone--you'll learn quickly if she is legit.

[Muzh]

Wouldn't it best mods to take personal details off the site? No proven scammer-no justification for displaying the info...


Apart from that, get her personal info and try to communicate by phone--you'll learn quickly if she is legit.

Absolutely.
 
sdgill, that was not smart at all.
 
Good luck finding your scammer.

[Mod2]

Done.

Thanks for the heads up.

Mod2

[Faux Pas]

sdGill


Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. You made no reference of the site you met her on, is it a pay by letter? Some how I detect you do not have direct contact with this woman, is that correct?

I know that disgruntled ex partners can try to smear genuine women , but I obviously need try to verify wether or not she is genuine or a scammer

You seem to have serious doubts and you have lost all trust in her. Quit wasting your time and move on to a woman you can trust. Most sincere women will give you ample reason to trust them. Pay attention to that gut feeling and voice in your head instead of that screaming from your groin.
A few things to consider:

Many women are on multiple websites

Many do not wish for a first meeting in their hometown

She might very well have given you her address. If she did, do you now want her to make one up?

Her listing as a scammer could be well deserved or sour grapes. I wouldn't trust those sites myself.

You have to be able to read this woman and you can't do that from a position of paranoia skitzo.

Those that look for a scammer, probably find one.

[Lily]

I know that disgruntled ex partners can try to smear genuine women , but I obviously need try to verify wether or not she is genuine or a scammer

[personal info deleted by mod]

sdgill58,

It seems to me that to answer your question, someone has to personally know this woman.

Otherwise, how are we supposed to know?  On this forum, I don't know any magicians or clairvoyant people.

[Shadow]

Did you send flowers ?
Did you sent her your direct contact data ?
Have you spoken her on the phone / by Skype ?
Do you have her phone number ?

Not finding her address is usually better as finding it.
As for the meeting, she might not be willing to invite a serial killer in to her home...

[Gator]

sdgill58,

It seems to me that to answer your question, someone has to personally know this woman.

Otherwise, how are we supposed to know?  On this forum, I don't know any magicians or clairvoyant people.

Exactly!
 
Gill,
 
You have her letters.  You have spoken to her (you have talked, yes?).  Such gives far more insight  than the list of clues in your post. 
 
There is nothing wrong with meeting you in Kiev.  There is nothing wrong with any of the other concerns, except perhaps being on a scammer list.
 
I believe she is prudent in meeting you for only 2-3 days.  This means that she is not yet sold on you, and does not want you to meet her family and friends.  This gives you the opportunity to meet other UW when she leaves, so get to work.
 
You can not be scammed unless you send her money.  On my first trip in 2002 (8 women, 4 cities) I too met a woman from Vinnitsa, but in Kiev. She did not ask for travel money to Kiev but did ask me to reimburse her upon arrival.   Instead, I sent $250 so she could fly to Kiev to meet me.  She showed and we had a good time. What was funny is that she did not fly, rode the 24-hour train, and bought a cell phone with the difference in price of tickets.   She told me that when I surprised her with the wired money. 
 
Why did I take the risk?  She spoke excellent English so we talked on the phone 3-4 times per week.  Our talks were open and frank.  We had become friends with some element of trust before we met.   Although we enjoyed each other's company for 3 days, nothing romantic developed to suggest a second meeting. 
 
PS - Although a little cautious, you seem like a good guy.  Do you want to introduce yourself in the Introductions?  This will encourage members to help you with your questions. 

[LAman]

sdGill


Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. You made no reference of the site you met her on, is it a pay by letter? Some how I detect you do not have direct contact with this woman, is that correct?

Why is it that it is usually presumed it is ppl, based on guy having a problem with girl/site?
 
FP....OP did say....."Also she appears on 3 other sites as well elenas models"

[JohnDearGreen]

Her address is [deleted] 21001 VINNYTSYA, UKRAINE.
When i google this address the search engine cannot find it properly ,

It is less likely her address would appear in English on a web page.  You would probably need to search using Ukranian with an FSU search engine.
I always wondered why Ukraine cities never had phone books and yellow pages.

when i ask her for more information she just gives me the same details she is willing to meet with me, but only in Kiev and not her home town for 2-3 days maximum.

It is fairly normal to not want to be seen by her friends and neighbors with strange foreigners who might turn out to be nerds.  She also might have a not-so-serious boyfriend(s) in Vinnitsa also.

Also she appears on 3 other sites as well elenas models , the other sites are heavenleyhearts.net, mypartnerforever.com and russiangirls-brides.com.

Several of the info items on mypartnerforever do not match the other 2 sites.  For example Orthodox on there vs. Christian on the other two.

Most importantly on a website called www.love24h.com on the scammer profile list.  I know that disgruntled ex partners can try to smear genuine women , but I obviously need try to verify wether or not she is genuine or a scammer

What was she accused of doing on love24h?

[Boethius]

Several of the info items on mypartnerforever do not match the other 2 sites. 
For example Orthodox on there vs. Christian on the other two.

Perhaps the other two sites didn't offer "Orthodox" as an alternative?
 

I always wondered why Ukraine cities never had phone books and yellow
pages.

Ukrainian cities have white pages, or had them.  Now, I look up Ukrainian telephone numbers online, mostly to track down old friends.  Most of the cities have online telephone books.  Villages are a little trickier.

[Faux Pas]

Why is it that it is usually presumed it is ppl, based on guy having a problem with girl/site?
 
FP....OP did say....."Also she appears on 3 other sites as well elenas models"

Indeed he did. Thats a firm grasp on the obvious you have there LA. I noted those were "other sites". I asked where he was communicating.

[JR]

UGH,
Google the email addy, see where it takes you, if the addy is on a bunch of scam-sites.....
Check the header for the BAT, if it's got BAT.....
If it's a yahoo address....
Tineye the photos, if they lead to a bunch of scam-sites.....
Can't find the address? Not a big deal, send some flowers as Gator said.
No phone....
On more than one site? How many sites are you on? NOTE: if all the sites have the same info, name, city, age, personal info, etc. this actually works in her favor as being real.
 

[CDW]

On my first trip in 2002 (8 women, 4 cities) I too met a woman from Vinnitsa, but in Kiev. She did not ask for travel money to Kiev but did ask me to reimburse her upon arrival.   Instead, I sent $250 so she could fly to Kiev to meet me.  She showed and we had a good time. What was funny is that she did not fly, rode the 24-hour train, and bought a cell phone with the difference in price of tickets.   She told me that when I surprised her with the wired money.

Did you break Charlton Heston's rule or before you knew about it? 

I have sent my ex-girlfriend (from Tashkent, Uzbekistan) money so that we could meet 1/2-way in Kiev for our 2nd meeting and again 3rd meeting.  I already met her beforehand anyway - in Tashkent.    Still very risky to do it even already met her !!

[Eduard]

I'm surprised to see people making these same type threads asking the same questions rather than learn by reading the forum.

[CDW]

I'm surprised to see people making these same type threads asking the same questions rather than learn by reading the forum.

I guessed it was from the same person using another ID. 

[SteveOR]

 
My experience with Google and Google Maps is that it has trouble finding Ukrainian addresses even if you copy and paste exact addresses in Cyrillic.  So I wouldn't consider that someone is a scammer just because Google can't find her address. . .
 
 

[CDW]

My experience with Google and Google Maps is that it has trouble finding Ukrainian addresses even if you copy and paste exact addresses in Cyrillic.  So I wouldn't consider that someone is a scammer just because Google can't find her address. . .

True, but PI could easily find her if he paid him to do the job.   

[Shadow]

True, but PI could easily find her if he paid him to do the job.

Most of the PI do not even bother to research. they think of how likely it is a scam and replay after a week.

[CDW]

Most of the PI do not even bother to research. they think of how likely it is a scam and replay after a week.

Then this PI isn't very professional.  Ask him/her for reference before hiring

[Patagonie]

I'm surprised to see people making these same type threads asking the same questions rather than learn by reading the forum.

+1 I am surprised hearing people who have such existential problems with their virtual life. Having a real life solves generally this problem. You put  your ass in a plane and you have half of this type of problems, at least.

[missAmeno]

True, but PI could easily find her if he paid him to do the job.   

Isn't this a step too far?

[CDW]

Isn't this a step too far?

If I were him, I wouldn't be bothered to hire a PI for that matter.  I would just eliminate that lady regardless if she is real or not

[Eduard]

With millions of single FSU women on line advertising to find a man for a serious relationship it is beyond my understanding why some men would fixate and try to find a woman who is either not interested or isn't genuine.
Some men truly live in a fantasy world!
A few days I was contacted by a guy through my web site. He wanted to hire me to find this woman he contacted on some agency site (3 minutes of googling it told me that it was most likely a scam agency). He told me that he contacted this woman and she sent him a nice response, then he wrote back but she never replied. He wrote to her 4 more times - no reply.
I must be a bad businessman because instead of taking the guy's money I simply pointed out the obvious to him - 1. many scam reports on line about this agency 2. Even in an unlikely event that the woman was real. why look for her when she is obviously not int erestd?   The first response may have come form the agency translator or even if it was the woman herself who responded, obviously she didn't like what he wrote to her in letter #2,3,4 and 5. At this point if he was able to find her somehow, she would most likely think that he is stalking her...

[CDW]

With millions of single FSU women on line advertising to find a man for a serious relationship it is beyond my understanding why some men would fixate and try to find a woman who is either not interested or isn't genuine.
Some men truly live in a fantasy world!
A few days I was contacted by a guy through my web site. He wanted to hire me to find this woman he contacted on some agency site (3 minutes of googling it told me that it was most likely a scam agency). He told me that he contacted this woman and she sent him a nice response, then he wrote back but she never replied. He wrote to her 4 more times - no reply.
I must be a bad businessman because instead of taking the guy's money I simply pointed out the obvious to him - 1. many scam reports on line about this agency 2. Even in an unlikely event that the woman was real. why look for her when she is obviously not int erestd?   The first response may have come form the agency translator or even if it was the woman herself who responded, obviously she didn't like what he wrote to her in letter #2,3,4 and 5. At this point if he was able to find her somehow, she would most likely think that he is stalking her...

obviously this man loves her photos!!  Perhaps he cannot take rejections!!  Perhaps on his 2nd letter, he asked her for nude pictures, sexy photos, or perhaps in his 2nd letter he ordered her money in exchange for something she doesn't like, so on...

You aren't a bad businessman, you run a honest business