Is this lady a Scammer?

[Vasilisa]

Excuse me, but did you put her FULL ADDRESS ONLINE without even knowing if she is good or bad for sure?!

I don't know if the woman is a scammer or not, I can undestad the reasons why a decent woman doesn't want to give her full address and meet in her little  town where  many people know her though. This Internet dating process is a dangerous thing , why would I give my full address to the person who I have never even met before: he can write anything, but turn out to be a  freak and to give this information to someone or just come naked in the midle of the night. And see what happened: you put it online.

[Doll]

Excuse me, but did you put her FULL ADDRESS ONLINE without even knowing if she is good or bad for sure?!

I don't know if the woman is a scammer or not, I can undestad the reasons why a decent woman doesn't want to give her full address and meet in her little  town where  many people know her though. This Internet dating process is a dangerous thing , why would I give my full address to the person who I have never even met before: he can write anything, but turn out to be a  freak and to give this information to someone or just come naked in the midle of the night. And see what happened: you put it online.

You're wasting you time to ask these questions or to explain it to AM.
This "I need to know her address" occurs on this forum quite frequently. They will never understand why FSUW don't want to date WM in their towns or cities.
This "I googled her address" or even PI is beyond my understanding.

[newjason]

This "I need to know her address" occurs on this forum quite frequently.
This "I googled her address" or even PI is beyond my understanding.

Excuse me, but did you put her FULL ADDRESS ONLINE without even knowing if she is good or bad for sure?!

This Internet dating process is a dangerous thing: he can write anything, but turn out to be a  freak and to give this information to someone or just come naked in the midle of the night. And see what happened: you put it online.

Maybe I can help.

Dude
There are two women who just just now read your thread. 
Do you see what they have said?

They said they are afraid of the internet dating because of crazy freaks who can do who knows what at any time, and they have no idea what it can be.

And you know what?
They have every reason to be afraid. You just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt
that those fears they have are real. 
Girls don't feel comfortable because of you.
Do you understand that?
Your behaviour is making people afraid.
 
What does that mean to you?
It's time for a moment of clarity for you.

Instead of telling you what I think of you,

 I am going to offer you some way to change things for the better.

I would suggest hang up the dating and spend your money on psychological evaluation,
and the ensuing treatment they recommend for you.
Use this time, to heal yourself, get better , and then come back when you are stable and
able to admit the error of your ways and call that girl, and tell her that you are so sorry and made a huge mistake and really mean it.

If you think I am joking, I am not. I am serious as a heart attack.
I want you to get better because you are ill and need to get better.


If you choose not to get help,  I'm afraid that KARMA will
have it's way with you , and that means things like,  like ...
well like what you have been doing to that woman..
Will you like it when Some one Posts all of your personal REAL information
On a Fourm  for **[Censored]** men? 
Then, Some one steals your Identity, and takes
what good you did have in your life and ruins it. So  your reputation , your credibilty, and
your credit statement are all damaged beyond repair?
What comes around goes around , only it comes back 10x worse.
You don't want that, really.

Do the right thing ok.
 
Please, Forget about girls for a while and get your self some help.

If you wanna talk  PM me   I am Jason

[Doll]

I was not afraid of "freak who can come to my place" just because I was too stupid to think about it
My concern at that time was- I was raising two sons, besides, I had parents, neighbors and friends (all lived and still live compactly), so to get through "international" dating and expose my "candidates" to all these people?
Here, in the States, where people often live in their own houses without being so "observed" by the community, it is hard to understand how it is otherwise. Here people just  do not care unlike "there".
Why do you guys need "her full address"? To deliever furniture?

[Doll]

Jason, who is this "dude"? I forgot
To tell you the truth, you can read more than one thread about "I want to google her\investigate" etc. More than 10 threads.
I can only guess why AM are so eager to do that. The nation of consumers-"results or your money back"(sorry, guys, I am NOT talking of each and every of Americans).
 They shop! When you shop, Jason, you want the "complete item description".
It is sad BTW.
Did you see AM post the real FULL names of the girls with their pictures? You didn't?
I've seen a lot of this. What is weird for me is that AM don't see anything bad in it.
What about so cherrished  "privacy"? Seriously! They love their privacy and don't respect somebody else's.
Don't you find it strange?
I do.
 

[newjason]

Jason, who is this "dude"? I forgot
To tell you the truth, you can read more than one thread about "I want to google her\investigate" etc. More than 10 threads.
I can only guess why AM are so eager to do that. The nation of consumers-"results or your money back"(sorry, guys, I am NOT talking of each and every of Americans).
 They shop! When you shop, Jason, you want the "complete item description".
It is sad BTW.
Did you see AM post the real FULL names of the girls with their pictures? You didn't?
I've seen a lot of this. What is weird for me is that AM don't see anything bad in it.
What about so cherrished  "privacy"? Seriously! They love their privacy and don't respect somebody else's.
Don't you find it strange?
I do.
 

Hi again Doll
Let's be clear, My last post was to the OP of this thread.
I quoted you and Vasi  as yours were the 2 latest examples of his errors.

Yes I find It not only strange, but offensive and bordeline criminal. Psycho for sure.
Anyway, 
Yes I know there are many threads like this, and NO they are NOT cool. Or normal for that matter.
I offered to help him get well
as opposed to attacking him, because, well lets face it,  that rarely does anything except make for long entertaining  threads.
I don't know where the Fact finding or the private investigator stuff comes from exactly.
Maybe we all watched too much of the X-Files and CSI.
I think it's sad that people like him can't see what they are doing just makes all of us look bad and be more paranoid and untrustworthy of each other.
Do you think he will be any different if he should (god forbid) find someone who will actually marry him?
He is Looking for a reason to tattle on someone.
It's a sign of megalomania, and it's that mental state that is becoming more prevalent on the internet as people are less in the real world and more in virtual reality.
Does  no one meet people in the grocery store, at a concert, at a block party, at gatherings of friends, at church, at their work? 
There are a million places to meet good women, yet everyone thinks the internet is this great discovery of sitting in a chair, chatting with who know what, and getting a wife.  LOL.

Yes you are right doll, some (not all) of the men here are too much looking the other way when it comes to bad behaviour. It's because a lot of different reasons, and everyone has his own, but  again you are right when Post after post is forgiving and encouraging him. That is Bullshit, IMO.

I was trying a different approach, thinking maybe he will get some help.
What do you think Doll?
Can we change the planet and it's people into something worth being proud of?
 

oh, btw, I don't have to watch what I do or say or be policitally correct around this crowd. I am not looking to get married.  And , I have some pretty low opinions of what is really going on here.
I could  go on and on, as i usually do   LOL
But, I'd like to make a difference.
 
Let's see what happens...

[Daveman]

...
Yes you are right doll, some (not all) of the men here are too much looking the other way when it comes to bad behaviour. It's because a lot of different reasons, and everyone has his own, but  again you are right when Post after post is forgiving and encouraging him. That is Bullshit, IMO.

That is an interesting perception of this thread..

oh, btw, I don't have to watch what I do or say or be policitally correct around this crowd. I am not looking to get married. And , I have some pretty low opinions of what is really going on here.
I could  go on and on, as i usually do   LOL
But, I'd like to make a difference.
 
Let's see what happens...

Feel free to share those low opinions of what is really going on here, though I'm not certain how "here" is defined in this context -- RWD? International Dating? The Industry of MoB? Internet Dating?

[Doll]

Do you think he will be any different if he should (god forbid) find someone who will actually marry him?

No. He will do same offensive things.
Again, what you and I consider offensive is not such for many AM who shop for wives.
Guys, just stay in your country and date your girls!   Try all these "google the address", hire PI or sending flowers just to see if the person is real with American women. Do it and you will see who is who.
Ah, you don't want! Then why do you do it with FSU?
And then you say that "RW are weird".
Sure!

[Daveman]

No. He will do same offensive things.
Again, what you and I consider offensive is not such for many AM who shop for wives.
Guys, just stay in you country and date your girls!   Try all these "google the address", hire PI or sending flowers just to see if the person is real with American women. Do it and you will see who is who.
Ah, you don't want! Then why do you do it with FSU?
And then you say that "RW are weird".
Sure!

but Doll, it's no secret ... RW actually ARE weird!!   


I can honestly say that I never had any real contact with a single scammer.  I thought the pay per letter sites were absurd, so I avoided them... whenever something just didn't "feel" right, I immediately moved on without expending a single calorie of further effort. 


I don't get the need to "verify" anything and everything because at the moment you feel something isn't right, you already know it isn't right.  That moment is the time to let go of the fantasy and move on. 


Scammers do exist, of course, but so does the best self preserving Anti-Scam protection in the world.. gut instinct..


A man feeling a need to "verify a woman" should just move on. 

[Doll]

but Doll, it's no secret ... RW actually ARE weird!!    


 

Of course

[Faux Pas]

No. He will do same offensive things.
Again, what you and I consider offensive is not such for many AM who shop for wives.
Guys, just stay in your country and date your girls!   Try all these "google the address", hire PI or sending flowers just to see if the person is real with American women. Do it and you will see who is who.
Ah, you don't want! Then why do you do it with FSU?
And then you say that "RW are weird".
Sure!

RW along with most women are weird  You're a good case in point 

Doll, if a WM is going to PI, google and have high suspicions of his RW, he'll probably be just as suspicious of women in his own country. The fact that she is Russian is only a convenient excuse. There are quite a few both men and women that thoroughly investigate possible dating partners. Paranoia perhaps but, it is done frequently.

As Daveman mentions, if one is suspicious, that bell has been rung and can't be unheard. Move on. For you guys considering a PI or MOB "verification", you either ARE being scammed or your communication has not advanced far enough that you trust the prospective lady. Either way is not good. Move on

[Doll]

At present i am in contact with lady called Inessa[deleted] , 42 yrs old from Vinnytsya in the Ukraine.
I recently asked her to provide me with her home address, so that i could send her some flowers and hard copies of photographs and postcards of my town etc.
Her address is [deleted] 21001 VINNYTSYA, UKRAINE.
When i google this address the search engine cannot find it properly , when i ask her for more information   

Faux Pas, this is another case (not scamming or too little commucation)- this guy requested her "FULL address" and lied (BTW) that he needed it to send flowers and pics. If you really want to send flowers, you just send flowers. He was into goooogling. 
He could email more or call or whatever, yet he gooooooogled.
"Complete item description".
Thanks to stars, my husband was not such an idiot.

[Doll]

You're right- RW are weird. Most of them who see the suspicious westerner will ditch him.
You're right- I am "the case"))))))
I remember one man who wanted to meet me and said he would mail me the ticket to that place. I am a big girl, I know how to buy tickets, he just didn't trust me. Then why bother? I just deleted his name from my list. Just like that!

 

[Daveman]

Faux Pas, this is another case (not scamming or too little commucation)- this guy requested her "FULL address" and lied (BTW) that he needed it to send flowers and pics. If you really want to send flowers, you just send flowers. He was into goooogling. 
He could email more or call or whatever, yet he gooooooogled.
"Complete item description".
Thanks to stars, my husband was not such an idiot.

And there it is... ok Doll, despite being a RW, you're not AS weird as you were a moment ago... 


Taking the time to get to know someone is well enough to be comfortable treating that one as a human being is paramount, IMO. 


I've been called to task for this by someone, now can't remember whom, because I broke the 10 Commandments about sending money to someone I haven't met.  I sent money for apartment, food, necessities for my trip, and a little extra for the lady prior to every first meeting I had, that is, except the lady who is now my wife. She refused saying something similar to "don't be stupid, we shall pay all when you shall come".  I didn't realize it at the time, but she actually paid for my flat and all preliminary stuff -- trusting me completely to reimburse her when I arrived.  Anyway, the point here is that not once was my trust misplaced.


Interesting..  The bottom line for me is decent human beings treating each other like decent human beings.


On EM, addresses for both men and women were available.  Perhaps one needed to turn on that option.. I can't remember now.  I had my name, address, phone all visible to any lady who cared to look.. and they certainly did.. I received about five or so snail mail letters over my period of time there and a dozen or so began communication with me through SMS.  Cool. It was fun and interesting.   


I googled addresses too -- in Google Earth just to see whatever I could see of cities/villages/surrounding nature.  It was fascinating for me.  I also enjoyed viewing some live web cams that were available in various cities. 


So, I guess I am just Freakishly Cool! 

[Faux Pas]

You're right- RW are weird. Most of them who see the suspicious westerner will ditch him.
You're right- I am "the case"))))))
I remember one man who wanted to meet me and said he would mail me the ticket to that place. I am a big girl, I know how to buy tickets, he just didn't trust me. Then why bother? I just deleted his name from my list. Just like that!

 

I agree with you and you did the right thing. The or "a" problem here Doll is many men looking to the East begin, in their mind, a relationship with the pictures and profile as soon as contact is established. I assume some of the women do it as well. As soon as a relationship is established do the expectations begin. Even if it is one sided. Generally opening the door to mistrust from either. I can't speak for the women but, to the men I state emphatically, it is mighty presumptuous to assume there is any relationship other than penpals (which grant you no special privileges) until you meet in person. If you are not convinced the person is real, sincere or would meet you, it's a really big red flag, move on.

[CDW]

Excuse me, but did you put her FULL ADDRESS ONLINE without even knowing if she is good or bad for sure?!

I don't know if the woman is a scammer or not, I can undestad the reasons why a decent woman doesn't want to give her full address and meet in her little  town where  many people know her though. This Internet dating process is a dangerous thing , why would I give my full address to the person who I have never even met before: he can write anything, but turn out to be a  freak and to give this information to someone or just come naked in the midle of the night. And see what happened: you put it online.

If you cannot trust a man, then it is pointless for you to search a man online.   Perhaps it is best if you search locally.

I don't meet anyone without knowing her home address.  If I can't, then many others cannot do.   It is because either:

1) they know you do not trust them, or
2) You are hiding at something - for example, you are married or living with your boyfriend

[Vasilisa]

If you cannot trust a man, then it is pointless for you to search a man online.   Perhaps it is best if you search locally.
I don't meet anyone without knowing her home address.  If I can't, then many others cannot do.   It is because either:

1) they know you do not trust them, or
2) You are hiding at something - for example, you are married or living with your boyfriend

CDW, I've read a couple of your posts so far and both of them look at least super weird.
In one of them you call women selfish because they don't tell you how beautiul your eyes are but ask you if you find them attractive in a flirty way, in another one you expect for never met in person strangers to trust you 100%.

You must belong to the category of guys who offer sex without condoms on the first date as that would be the proof of that you trust to each other and are meant to be together. The other variants don't work.

[CDW]

CDW, I've read a couple of your posts so far and both of them look at least super weird.

You must belong to the category of guys who offer sex without condoms on the first date as that would be the proof of that you trust to each other and are meant to be together.

Do you have proof that I belong to that category ?

If you think I belong to that category, then you belong to the category of women who have to put plastic bags over the face!!

[missAmeno]

CDW, I've read a couple of your posts so far and both of them look at least super weird.

You must belong to the category of guys who offer sex without condoms on the first date as that would be the proof of that you trust to each other and are meant to be together.

 

[Vasilisa]

Do you have proof that I belong to that category ?

If you think I belong to that category, then you belong to the category of women who have to put plastic bags over the face!!

3 extra weird posts so far. 
Where is my black list

[Shadow]

Then this PI isn't very professional.  Ask him/her for reference before hiring

Perhaps I should use a PI to check if this PI is really doing the investigation. Problem is I would have to hire a PI to check the PI who is checking the PI if he is doing the investigation.

[CDW]

Perhaps I should use a PI to check if this PI is really doing the investigation. Problem is I would have to hire a PI to check the PI who is checking the PI if he is doing the investigation.

And check PI to check if this PI to check this PI and to check this PI.. and so on 

Difficult to trust which PIs are good without references or record though.

[missAmeno]

And check PI to check if this PI to check this PI and to check this PI.. and so on 

Difficult to trust which PIs are good without references or record though.

Jokes aside I am struggling to imagine why would someone need to hire PI in whole this FSUW quest? Please, educate me 

[Shadow]

And check PI to check if this PI to check this PI and to check this PI.. and so on 

Difficult to trust which PIs are good without references or record though.

Even if they do have references, remember that these references will in 99% of the cases have never met the PI personally or seen him do his work.
All they have is a nice written report, on which they base the reference.

You may not be aware of this, but in Russia the computerized personal record are still in infancy, so to actually get correct data on a person needs a visit to the local ZAGS and either a connection as former policeman or a bribe. Then all you have is the registered address, which says nothing as MrsShadow once found 9 people registered on het apartment where she lived alone.

To see if the correct person lives there, the PI will have to visit and observe the address, and tap in to the babushka network to get information about habits. Problem with that is babushkas will immediately tell the woman someone was asking about her.

This will set you back at least $1000 for a PI who does his work, without travel cost.
IMHO if you spend such amount to verify that someone you almost do not know and have never met exists, you have serious issues to take care of before even thinking about dating.

[CDW]

Even if they do have references, remember that these references will in 99% of the cases have never met the PI personally or seen him do his work.
All they have is a nice written report, on which they base the reference.

You may not be aware of this, but in Russia the computerized personal record are still in infancy, so to actually get correct data on a person needs a visit to the local ZAGS and either a connection as former policeman or a bribe. Then all you have is the registered address, which says nothing as MrsShadow once found 9 people registered on het apartment where she lived alone.

To see if the correct person lives there, the PI will have to visit and observe the address, and tap in to the babushka network to get information about habits. Problem with that is babushkas will immediately tell the woman someone was asking about her.

This will set you back at least $1000 for a PI who does his work, without travel cost.
IMHO if you spend such amount to verify that someone you almost do not know and have never met exists, you have serious issues to take care of before even thinking about dating.

That's awful lots of money!  The air fare from London to Kiev costs around £250 (about $400) !!!