What you need to be aware of

[PeeWee]

New guys...this is what you do not want to see coming from a woman that you have met on the Internet.

 

Peewee

19 February, 2006
 
Dear Sir !
  
Due to the request of Nellya Sitnikova
we send you the information about the tour
from Norilsk, Russia to the USA

Foreign passport - 100 USD
Tourist visa for a month , one entry- 125 USD

We can offer the next flight on 4  of March.


If this time is good for You and Miss Nellya Sitnikova, you should make balance payment sooner.


We can't provide you with the information about the exact time Nellya Sitnikova arrives to you, we shall have
that information as soon as we receive full payment and start arranging the trip.
 Since our travel agency has discounts, the total price for the trip 990USD is valid for 5 days.
Roundtrip tickets with the registration of all the documents for Nellya Sitnikovas flight costs 990USD
 





 Quantity


                                        Descriprion


 Unit Price


 Amount



         1


                                        Visa


     125USD


  125USD



         1


                                        Passport


     100USD


  100USD



         1


                                        Round ticket


     765USD


  765USD



        


                                     


    


 
                                                                                                                                                             Total: 990 USD
 
We arrange all necessary documents and tickets in 7-9 days after
receiving the full payment for the trip.

PAYMENT INFO:



 
You can transfer the funds for the trip of Miss Nellya Sitnikova via MONEY GRAMM or WESTERN UNION
system. It is the fastest and the safest way to transfer the funds. Our travel agency is officially registerred
as a private businessman  Alexandrovich Devyatovskiy Vladimir,  Norilsk, Russia. As soon as you transfer the funds
on the name of our director, will you please e-mail us your full name and MTCN (money transfer control
number) and we shall get the funds the same or the other day after transfer.
Payment memo:  Payment for Invoice № 25-215-1355
 
 

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You can also transfer the funds for the trip of Miss  Nellya Sitnikova to our bank account and we shall receive the
funds in 8-10 working days.

To be paid by Bank Wire:
 


To be paid by Bank Wire:


Beneficiary`s bank
"Raiffeisenbank Austria"  ZAO Moscow 17/1 Troitskaya, Moscow
SWIFT: RZBMRUMM

Intermediary bank: Wachovia Bank,N.A., New York  USA 
acc. 2000193460018
SWIFT: PNBPUS3N NYC

Account number : 67301950103000151477

 
 
To get any other information you may contact us by e-mail. It is
cheaper for you and comfortable for us, we will reply
after receiveing your letter or by phone.
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Respectfully yours,
"Discovery Travel Agency"

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 Russia, Norilsk, Popova 34
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[Vaughn]

Boy, they've got some balls. I'd send 'em a dreamsheet MTCN number and let 'em try to collect at the bank. I'm wondering if that Wachovia account is bonafide...

[Bruno]

Boy, they've got some balls. I'd send 'em a dreamsheet MTCN number and let 'em try to collect at the bank. I'm wondering if that Wachovia account is bonafide...

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Intermediary bank: Wachovia Bank,N.A., New York  USA 
acc. 2000193460018
SWIFT: PNBPUS3N NYC

Account number : 67301950103000151477

With the help of Google :


- Same scam letter, same account... other lady and other agency

http://www.russian-detective.com/black_lists/individ/worldtravel/laryukova1.htm


- Full list of fake name used for ladies and agency :

http://www.russian-detective.com/black_lists/individ/worldtravel/worldtravel_main.htm


- You can find more info on :

http://agencyscams.com/Bank.htm

- A other scammer, http://www.womenrussia.com/blackpage451.htm

 

[blueboy3]

Sorry Guys I new to all this but I have been communicating with a lady from Cheboksary and I believe she is a scammer. What should I do?

[Vaughn]

Don't waste too much time or emotion on it, cut your losses and move on. There are plenty of sincere women waiting to hear from you.

[blueboy3]

There is no problem about that but should I report her....so nobody else gets sucked in

[Vaughn]

Report her? And if your belief is incorrect, you've just condemned an innocent. The scamsheets are full of photos of women who either had their photos used by someone else,  or who simply didn't "click" with a guy who expected a guaranteed roll in the hay (or an engagement). Have you even met this woman yet?

[blueboy3]

thanks for you reply. I have to meet her I was organising to go over there but she said she wanted to come here and she need $250USD for her to organise her papers and $450USD for a airline ticket and she is expecting it tommorrow via western union. I was going to write her a letter before I left work today and tell her the gig is up and move on. Is that best thing you recommend. It just seems hard to meet any one geniune on these sites. I am with 3 agencies.

[Vaughn]

Just curious - was she writing to you through Maksim's Introductions?

[blueboy3]

no she came thru a agencie call russianbrides(australia)

[Vaughn]

Well, consider that, if her letters to you are sent via that agency, perhaps you've been writing only to a photo. Report the letter and its absurdity to that agency and see how they react. In the meantime, if you want to use an agency, ask around to see which ones have worked for others, and then check out their listings.

I was by no means implying that Maksim's would send off such a letter; it just that they handle many women in Cheboksary....

[PeeWee]

[user=818]blueboy3[/user] wrote:

thanks for you reply. I have to meet her I was organising to go over there but she said she wanted to come here and she need $250USD for her to organise her papers and $450USD for a airline ticket and she is expecting it tommorrow via western union. I was going to write her a letter before I left work today and tell her the gig is up and move on. Is that best thing you recommend. It just seems hard to meet any one geniune on these sites. I am with 3 agencies.

Try Elena's Models. She seems to try to ferret out the scammers from her site.

 

The give away is always the asking for money to come to the US. They cannot get the visa for tourist travel. if the scammer were smart they would ask for money to meet you in a country that they could get a visa for. For some reason they don't seem to do that.

I would recommend that you do now write that the gig is up because you may be writing to a guy or something so why do that? Just move on. it is not hard to meet someone if you use the right agency. There are a lot of women out there who want to meet the fight guy. I have met on scammer out of 5 that I communicated with. That is not a bad average.

 

Peewee

[blueboy3]

thanks guys for the advice....I will continue to search. Question what you recommned just going on tour and seeing what happens. As this is more realisitic to me. As I dont know who I am writing and I feel uncomfortable doing that way. What do you think?

[PeeWee]

[user=818]blueboy3[/user] wrote:

thanks guys for the advice....I will continue to search. Question what you recommned just going on tour and seeing what happens. As this is more realisitic to me. As I dont know who I am writing and I feel uncomfortable doing that way. What do you think?

I think that everyone has their own way of doing things. I do not like organized functions and prefer to do things on my own. A tour would not be right for me. I tired choosing one, communicating with one, and then going to visit her. I tried that 3 times. This next time I may line up 2 or 3 in the same city and then go meet those ladies.

 

Here is what is ironic. The first woman that I met, almost 5 years ago, disappeared after a few months of our comminication, she lives in Moscow. I never met her. After she disappeared I met another who lives in Moscow. I met her twice, but not in Moscow. She could travel to the US on visa (one of the very rare ones that can). So she came to see me. We almost married. That did not work out and she married another. I next met a woman who lived in Vlad. She did not want me to come to Vlad so we met in Moscow the first time and then Hong Kong the second time. She did not like my son very well nor did he like her. After two years we called it quits. Then the second one, the one who could travel to the US resurfaced in the US ready to divorce her husband. She returned to Moscow and I went there to visit her. We dated for one year only then did I realize that she was not going to work for me.

 

As I was sitting wondering what next I happened to find the phone number of the very first woman that I met, the one who disappeared. I called. She answered the phone. She had moved but still lives in Moscow. We have begun communicating again. What is ironic is that I have known her for almost 5 years, she lives in Moscow, I have been to Moscow twice, but I have never actually met her. This time I travel to Moscow I will. met her. A full circle.

Why did she disappear? She is a doctor. Her family lives in another part of Russia. Her dad got sick. She left unexpectedly to go to his aid. I did not know it. After calling her appartment in Moscow for 4 weeks and not getting an answer I gave up. I figured that she had lost interest. Not knowing that she had had a family emergency. So it is. As they say, two ships passing in the night.

I have a buddy who has recently taken an interest in RW. He has been asking my advices and is considering traveling to Moscow with me in June. I have suggested to him to communicate with two or three so that when we go he can met them all. Thus improving his chances that he might click with at least one of those women.

Peewee  

[catzenmouse]

Another take:

 Look at the map and find a destination that you want to go to for its own sake (Crimea, St. Petersburg, Rostov-na-Danu, Lviv, whatever) then look at the profiles of ladies in that area. Pick a couple (or a few) to write to and go. You will get to meet some fine women and if nothing clicks with them you will be in a position to see some really great places and just be a tourist. You'll get your feet wet in the FSU culture and will only come away from the trip better positioned to find your way in this wild and crazy ride.

Ken

[lane]

can you give more info on "The give away is always the asking for money to come to the US. They cannot get the visa for tourist travel. if the scammer were smart they would ask for money to meet you in a country that they could get a visa for. For some reason they don't seem to do that."

I have been corrosponding with Olga from Yaroslavl, Russia and we talked about meeting, she said she could come here. She wrote that getting a visa would take 2-3 weeks which she would pay for, $500, but needed help with the flight $750.

Does this sound on the level?

Lane 

[KenC]

can you give more info on "The give away is always the asking for money to come to the US. They cannot get the visa for tourist travel. if the scammer were smart they would ask for money to meet you in a country that they could get a visa for. For some reason they don't seem to do that."

I have been corrosponding with Olga from Yaroslavl, Russia and we talked about meeting, she said she could come here. She wrote that getting a visa would take 2-3 weeks which she would pay for, $500, but needed help with the flight $750.

Does this sound on the level?

Lane 

Lane,

The quick answer is "no."  But there is a chance that she may have been to the US on another type of visa ie, business or student.  I would "qualify" her a bit more before I told her she was full of it.  Ask her if she has ever been to the US before and what the circumstances were for her trip.  If she has never been to the US, then her chances of getting a tourist visa is zero.

If you are going to pursue a woman from the fsu, you are going to have to go there.

KenC

[lane]

thanks, for the info i will keep that in mind!  Lane

[KenC]

Lane,

Just keep in mind that the chances of her being legit are very very small.  Most likely it is a scam.

KenC

[PeeWee]

can you give more info on "The give away is always the asking for money to come to the US. They cannot get the visa for tourist travel. if the scammer were smart they would ask for money to meet you in a country that they could get a visa for. For some reason they don't seem to do that."

I have been corrosponding with Olga from Yaroslavl, Russia and we talked about meeting, she said she could come here. She wrote that getting a visa would take 2-3 weeks which she would pay for, $500, but needed help with the flight $750.

Does this sound on the level?

Lane 

Something that you can do, I have done this, is to have her arrange for the travel with a reputable travel agency in her city. She most likely can get a better fare than you can. Then you pay for the ticket using your credit card. A ticket purchased via credit card is not refundable in cash. It has to be used and there is not other option. You get your money back if it is not used. As it was suggeted you can go to meet her or you can meet at a location where she can get a visa. The US is not one of those places. Try Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Italy, Spain, China, Thailand, Bali, Finnland, almost anywhere in Eastern Europe, Czech Republic, for example. Or meet in Moscow. It is relatively easy for both parties to travel to Moscow. The airfare from the US can be as little as $700.00 and from say...oh someplace like Astrakhan or even Kiev may not be more than $400.00. I met two women in Moscow 3 years ago. One flew in from Vladivostok and the other from some place in Ukraine. I met another woman in Hong Kong. It cost me $600.00 from the US and her fare was around the same. That is not too much money to spend for air fare, by the way. I have traveled via business class to Moscow many times at $1,700 a pop.

 

Peewee

[jb]

I have been corrosponding with Olga from Yaroslavl, Russia and we talked about meeting, she said she could come here. She wrote that getting a visa would take 2-3 weeks which she would pay for, $500, but needed help with the flight $750.

This is ABSOLUTELY not on the level.  A visa to America cost $100.00, no more, no less.  Visas are issued only by the US Consulate, at the US Embassy in Moscow, there are no travel agencies in Russia which can get a visa for a single young woman to travel to see you here.  Forget about it, it's a scam.  You are most likely corresponding with "Fat Yuri".
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[BC]

jb,

I agree with your overall assessment but disagree with visa fees.  Reciprocity fees go on top of the visa application fee..  figure about double depending on the length of stay allowed.

I relish these very rare occasions where I can find some fault (albeit minor) and correct you :D:D:D

[Jay Patches]

I would love to see posted, at the top of all of these discussion websites, that you can not order a mail order bride.  You must get on a plane and go see her.:X

Yes, there are exceptions for about 1% of the RW, but if she has the ability to travel to see you, the chances of her being in a marriage agency are even smaller.  She doesn't need to.  She can travel on her own and meet guys who are not twice her age in normal surroundings and normal circumstances.  She has no need and no use for a marriage agency.

 

[lane]

No, I did not go through an agency for a mail order bride,

 we (supposedly) met on yahoo personals.

but thanks, anyway

[jb]

BC,

I am often wrong, just hang in there and you will have ample opportunity to correct me.  However, I just recently posted the schedule of reciprocity fees in another thread earlier, $500.00 was not in the schedule of fees.  Not even for next day service.  Heck, I don't think there is a "next day" visa service at the US Consulate, besides, no one gets a visa without an interview.

She wrote that getting a visa would take 2-3 weeks which she would pay for, $500, but needed help with the flight $750

This is a classic "Visa and Ticket" scam.  Trust me on this.

Lane;

Your reply of; "but, thanks anyway", leads me to believe you are thinking about disregarding this bit of info and do it anyway.  If so, you are about to become $750 poorer with no girlfriend to show for it.  If you send any money to this person at all, I reserve the right to say "I told you so", when you come back and complain about being scammed.