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[Daniel]

 

Hello, I came here to learn, I have been divorced for over 28 years and have dated for the past 17 of them, I was a single parent as my AW took off with another and left me with our 6 year old daughter to raise.  So while I took the roll of both parents I decided to put off dating for many years. Since then I have been with two others and both cheated on the relationship. 

Is a RW the answer who knows but the prospects cant be any worse then my experience with AW.  See I have been reading I have some of the lingo down [grin] 

[Faux Pas]

Welcome to RWD Daniel!


Take a look around and ask questions of you got them 

[Daniel]

Thanks and yes i will.  there is a lot of great info here I always wanted to go to Russia   

[I/O]

I always wanted to go to Russia

That's a good enough reason to go, worry about chasing skirt later.

[Jack]

Daniel, if you, as a single and looking man, make a trip to Russia or Ukraine the trip WILL change your life as it did mine and almost every man on this site.

As I/O slightly hinted to, going to Russia or Ukraine to see the sites, people, learn of this proud culture and history is reason enough but coupled with meeting beautiful ladies is really a dream come true. There is no better way to see Moscow, or St. Petersburg, or Kiev, Volgograd, Dnepropetovsk than with a beautiful woman, or two, or six, showing you the city and the sites.

Plan a trip, get your plane ticket, know what city or cities you are going to visit, then proceed with trying to find some ladies who you would like to meet in that city or cities.  Now this may not be the approach you take, but it's a good one to consider.

How to go about choosing ladies in the city or cities you have chosen to visit? Their are many options.  From local marriage agencies in these cities, feel free to ask the membership here as to what is known about any agency you are considering, to an ever growing list of Russian personal sites (now in English) and networking sites.

Although only my opinion and opinions will vary, I would concentrate on meeting ladies who can speak at least a little English. As most Russian and Ukraine women tend to under estimate their English ability whenever I ran across a woman who says she spoke only a little English I would take it and most the time it was enough.  It's going to be hard enough adjusting to the difference in cultures, being able to communicate directly with a woman, without the need of an interpreter, is something I think you should strongly consider as you begin what I consider the most wonderful pursuit in the world.

[Daniel]

I found a program that translates Russian to english and the other way around. it is interesting to see how sentances are constructed and what words do not translate at all.   I write a sentance then translate it back and forth just to see if the meaning is the same.  I know i will try and learn the language some before going over the pond to visit the country. but this is a fun program...

[Daniel]

OK the rest of the story,

I had never given a thought of pursuing the skirts from Russia.  Dating was difficult here let alone put a couple of thousand miles in-between.   Well one day three months ago I received a letter from a Russian woman that latter I found out got my e-mail and picture off another site.
I ignored the letter that was sent with her picture as one of those yah! Right! Internet moments as she is much younger then I.  Then I received a second letter that said in it this line; it is ugly to keep waiting the woman. If I am not interesting to you, I shall not write any more to you...Tell to me...I wait your letter...

Needless to say I wrote back as she managed to make me feel guilty for not replying.   It has been a most interesting couple of month many letters and photos later I am here on this site reading and even more intrigued and interested in this country than I was before.

This woman has a way of putting things that is direct and to the point with no mixed words or signals.  She is well educated works in her fathers firm. It does not concern her that I am older then her father is. After corresponding no longer is a concern of mine. She has never asked me what I do for a living. Has no idea I have been retired since I was 47 years old. We have discussed the age difference and she has stated that she indeed prefers that I am older and has no problem with it. 

That’s is the rest of the story. I have read all the pros and cons to this adventure and we inch along at a slow pace writing everyday to each other.

[Jack]

oh Daniel, wish I had a nickel everytime I saw this senerio. Why I would have somewhere between $5 and $6 by now.   So she doesn't care that your older than her father.  If one deals with the norm, not the exceptions, than this would concern me.

Yea, move slow and for sure have a back-up plan or two.

[Muzh]

Hi Daniel and Welcome.
 
LMAO with you first letter received. Congratulations, you have been selected by Boris Natasha to get you hooked.
 
Tread carefully, the waters are full of sharks and they love (much) older gentlement.
 
Similar to the emails sent to retirees telling them they won $1 million and all they need to get the money is to provide their bank account.
 
With that out of the way, the most beautiful women in the world are located in the former Soyuz. Who would have imagined after all these years we were told to hate them. Well, hate is a strong word, but you know what I mean.

[Faux Pas]

Ah, and now theeee "rest of the story" *in my finest Paul Harvey voice*




Daniel,


You've been had. Play along with her if you like but the chances of the "money shot" coming along any day now are good. What I am referring to is, if she hasn't asked you for money yet it is only a matter of time.


She is probably not even a she, most like a He that found you on a local dating site. Most have been doing this for years and have perfected a way to keep you interested and string you along.


Without going into scams cradle to grave I have a few questions you need to answer but only to yourself.


How many other considerably younger women have seen your profile on a site and wrote to you?


She seems almost "girl next doorish" doesn't she? How can she be so sweet? Are you really so interesting that she couldn't help herself but, to write to you?


Do women run you down in real life?


It is all an illusion and someone looking to profit from your fantasies. Even if she is real, the only interest she has in you is your wallet.


With that said, let me state emphatically there are many wonderful women in Russia and the FSU and they will not contact you in such a fashion. They would however love to open up some dialogue with you and explore some relationship options. Literally, there are tens/hundreds of thousands, likely more.


Look around the forum, ask questions there is MUCH here for you to learn if you in fact have an interest in FSUW.


Don't feel bad. You are or near were sucked into a vacuum that many before you and many still on this forum were as well. This isn't for everybody and it may not be for you. You'll have to decide that.


Again, welcome to RWD and baptism by fire 

[Daniel]

Faux Pas....and others Not my first rodeo my friend, I do not send money to people i have never met from other countries.  when something seems to good to be true it usually is.   your points are the very ones that have gone dancing through my head.

God gave man two heads and only enough blood to make one work at a time.  I have long ago quite thinking with the lower one. 

one red flag (no pun intended) was the number of photos that the quality is exceptional.  The camera either has a timer on it or someone else is behind the view finder.  I pay close attention to little details and wording of letters.  I ask strange questions like which shoe do you put on first.   make no mistake I am in no way going to jump on a plain and go to a strange country with out knowledge of the language.  or open my wallet to the wind.  I am going to continue the conversation. leaving my heart out of it and not playing with theres just in case it turns out to be a for "real" person.   will follow up with resuts

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas....and others Not my first rodeo my friend, I do not send money to people i have never met from other countries.

Excellent policy and the one sure-fire way to avoid being a scam victim. I use the term victim loosely

when something seems to good to be true it usually is.   your points are the very ones that have gone dancing through my head.

True, it usually is. There is a reason those points have been dancing in your head. Your gut is likely trying to tell you something

God gave man two heads and only enough blood to make one work at a time.  I have long ago quite thinking with the lower one.

Don't give up on the lower one completely. It's still your best friend. Just letting it think for you is akin to giving the keys to a race car to a drunk teenager.


Also, don't fret. FSUW (IMHO) are unmatched by other women anywhere else in the world. If you have found yourself interested in them, you have come to the right place. You'll find lots of "how to's" and immeasurable advice here. There are 100's of right ways and wrong ways to become acquainted with these women. Some think they are then, find out they were not up for it. The road is littered with wreckage and success. Keeping thinking with that big head and you'll be fine.


 

[Daniel]

thank you...my head is skewed on and thanks for clearing away the clouds. I am proceeding with great caution and prepairing a different line of questioning that should unveil the mystery...  I do intend to look into this FSUW from what i am reading here I am intrigued to learn more of this culture that has been forbidden for so many years.  I am up for the challenge of learning the language. I find the direct why that they construct the sentences fascinating.  I would fit right in with the double negatives.    

[Daniel]

is there a Holliday in Russia this weekend or are would being off work on the weekend be worded as a Holiday?  I am paying close attention to time vs letter vs subject matter.   when i receive e-mails. (time) (day) and what is said as she has given me her work schedule and i have a date and time clock posted on my computer where she says she lives.

I have started translating all my replies in Russian. I have a program that i can type in English and it sends out in Russian. Let us see how that flies.  (yes i verify that it says in Russian what i meant in English before i send)   Does this sound like i am paranoid? or cautious!


OK language problem my fault ...she was referring to her girlfriends birthday that she is going to tonight as a holiday...and it is night time over there.   she gets a pass on this one...gees i am paranoid! answered my own question 

[Daniel]

Don't give up on the lower one completely. It's still your best friend. Just letting it think for you is akin to giving the keys to a race car to a drunk teenager.

I am old, not dead...  LOL

[Jooky]

Daniel,
 
Have you talked to this woman on the phone?
 
How exactly did she get your email address? From what dating site?
 
I didn't get your comment about 'someone else behind the view finder' of the camera. What kind of photos is she sending you? I mean, isn't it normal to have someone else behind the camera?

[Faux Pas]

thank you...my head is skewed on and thanks for clearing away the clouds. I am proceeding with great caution and prepairing a different line of questioning that should unveil the mystery...  I do intend to look into this FSUW from what i am reading here I am intrigued to learn more of this culture that has been forbidden for so many years.  I am up for the challenge of learning the language. I find the direct why that they construct the sentences fascinating.  I would fit right in with the double negatives.   

Daniel,


I would rarely make such a statement especially to a newbie but, I am going to with you.


It's no mystery, guy. It is a scammer. She/he sends you dreamy letters describing a wonderful young women stuck in some cold harsh realities and somehow through it all, she maintains the most wonderful attitude? It's not real. Even the pictures she sent, the chances are mighty good THAT girl has never heard of you, read your mails or even knows someone has stolen her photos for a scam.


It sounds as if so far she has only hinted of you being her "savior" and how she will cook tasty dishes, keep a comfortable home, love the children and worship her husband? Meanwhile you are wondering when in the hell she is going to answer some of the questions you have asked? She seems to gloss right over them in email after email. You think it must have something to do with cultural and language barrier?


It's not real. The quicker you get past it, the quicker you can move on to some that are real.

[Daniel]

Jooky.   That is still a question I am working on. It was a long time ago and i remember inquiring about if she was really from Russia. was not a date site but information on a blog for camping.  The responce came months latter.  The pictures, yes some one else is taking them put they  look to be not random but posed. not like a random snap shot when you are on vacation.  My daughter was a model for many years. these pictures are high res. and quality is excellent.   could be just a darn good camera...

I am however starting to receive picture of family. brother , mother and father, cousins. buses in the background...so I could be just reading to much caution into this encounter.  If so I will be the first to admit so.

my reason for such caution is i am 28 years older. this does not fit the normal for me.... I am not use to thinking this far outside the box. so  I have posted my thoughts here because i realize my judgment is clouded by the realm of possibilities.     

we are still in the passing e-mail stage. everything looks and appears normal as conversation goes. But i am cautious...no personal information has been exchanged by either.  No demands of anykind.  If it appears to good to be true... type of story....and it does...  i just don't want to jump off a cliff for a dumb adventure...been there and done that.

If my thoughts on this are confusing it is because I for the first time in years am confused and feel I entered the twilight zone.  going places i have never been and doing things i have never done....but it is exciting.
and i hope i am not off my Rocker...lol

 I am just finding this all to good to be true and am waiting for the punch line.....   Good lord! after reading this i sound like i have fallin in love with a 30 year old in an e-mail...I did fall of my Rocker   

[Jooky]

Faux Pas is right.
 
This is a very typical scam in textbook form. You'll get a letter asking for money soon enough.
 
I used to get a ton of spam like both the intro and the second 'why didn't you write me, boo hoo' letter all the time. Probably word for word what you got.

[Daniel]

That is where i am leaning...I am going to wait a day or two to see what kind of letter i get.       thank for all the input...i will get back into my rocker now!   and watch   


update: I am an engineer by profession and pay close attention to detail so I went back over and wrote down a list of concerns on what I read.  My conclusion is as stated by others this is a scam.  No harm done and I will start writing to her in Russian. I like this site it has been very helpful and an eye opener.  I got a little lazy in retirement. corrected that.....thanks for the heads up
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