Defining Women's Sizes big, little, short or tall

[Aloe]

 

PLUS, the Latin idea of beauty is curvy.  My idea of beauty is a modern, thin, Russian-like build. 

Ok, either we have a different understanding of the words curvy and thin, which is very likely, or your idea of beauty is really the media instilled unhealthy look

This is an interesting question anyway. Whenever i looked at an american website, you had to specify your body build with a word. I remember the first time around i set my type as "voluptuous", because i have large breasts while my BMI is nearing the 'underweight' mark (very weird, considering i do not look underweight at all, not even close to the woman from the last picture, who is definitely underweight). Later i found out voluptuous was a word used for fat women.

So here you are, saying curvy, which is also one of the options on those websites. And thin. So anyone wanna explain to me, with photos if you can, what exactly is:

1. Curvy
2. Thin
3. Normal
4. Voluptuous (just to be clear)


Curvy for me is a normal woman who has breasts bigger than normal (C-D or bigger), not too fat tummy, and a  butt about the same circumference as breasts
Like this woman is very curvy in my understanding, although her tummy can also be a little bit bigger http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/relationships/34635d1232567179-when-someone-says-theyre-curvy-built-image008.jpg



Thin in my understanding is like this

http://anorexiapictures.net/files/images/skinny_model8.jpg

[Hammer2722]

Voluptuous to me has always meant that the woman was big on top (breasts) but not necessarily fat overall.
 
Curvy can be either thin or a little bit of fat but with curves in all the right places of the body.
 
I think the first photo you posted Aloe is curvy but at the same time I would also say she is athletic build.
 
I agree with your assessment of the second. She is almost anorexic. 

[ML]

It may help if you add a few more gradation adjectives to the weight classification.

Obese
Sickeningly Fat
Fat
Stout
Plump
Starting to Plump up
Average
Slender
Skinny
Thin
Painfully Thin
Emaciated

Note:  'Average' as used here does not refer to the 'mean' that women are in USA.
Rather 'average' refers to what average should look like.
The mean in USA is in the area of Plump, Stout and Fat.
The mean in FSU is in the area of Average to Slender.

Curvey is a different concept than the weight concept.

Curvey refers to women who have an hour glass figure.  Curvey doesn't really specify the overall size of the woman, just that you will notice that all the measurements are attractive because of the contrast between large and small as you look up and down her body.

Voluptuous refers to woman with an hour glass figure  where
both breasts and hips/ass are rather large, while still having a
relatively small waist.

So voluptuous is a sub-category of curvey, and refers to a larger woman overall who still has an hour glass curvey figure.

Both fat and thin women can be curvey.

The first woman in Aloe's posting is voluptuously curvey.  On the weight scale, she is probably plump to stout.

The second woman is thin on the weight scale.  Her degree of curviness cannot really be ascertained from the photo because of her clothes.  She is not emaciated.

Anorexia is a completely different concept having to do with eating  disorders.  Persons  who are overweight can be anorexic the same as underweight persons, although it is more common in the underweight category.

[Boethius]

The first woman in Aloe's posting is voluptuously curvey.  On the weight scale,
she is probably plump to stout.

The second woman is thin on the weight scale.  Her degree of curviness cannot really be ascertained from the photo because of her clothes.  She is not emaciated.

Are you kidding?  The first woman is probably a size 6 or 8.  Hardly "plump" or "stout".  The second model is emaciated.
 
It's interesting how much fashion affects the perception of what is "thin", "normal", and "fat".  Who would have guessed that gay men would have such an effect on what many men find attractive.

[ML]

Are you kidding?  The first woman is probably a size 6 or 8.  Hardly "plump" or "stout".  The second model is emaciated.
 
It's interesting how much fashion affects the perception of what is "thin", "normal", and "fat".  Who would have guessed that gay men would have such an effect on what many men find attractive.

You are way wrong.  The first woman could not get into size 12 jeans, maybe not even size 14.

The second is not emaciated.

I am not at all affected by the fashion industry.  But I know that those who are overweight tend to be greatly influenced when they discuss what is emaciated, etc.

I am also well aware that the preference men have for slender women is a 'hot button' for most women.

Generally, in mixed group discussions, when men utter the word slender, the women immediately jump all  the way to emaciated in their responses and examples.  So no surprises here.

[Boethius]

The first model definitely is not a size 12.   I can tell by her arms and legs. 
 
The second model is smaller than a size 0.  Given her height (as a runway model, she is at least 175 cm), she is indeed emaciated, unless, of course, your standard is an  Auschwitz survivor.
 
Here are photos of the world's top runway model -
 
http://supermodelimage.blogspot.com/2011/05/daria-werbowy.html
 
Slender, but not emaciated.
 

I am not at all affected by the fashion industry. 

I doubt that.

[ML]

The first model definitely is not a size 12.   I can tell by her arms and legs. 
 
The second model is smaller than a size 0.  Given her height (as a runway model, she is at least 175 cm), she is indeed emaciated, unless, of course, your standard is an  Auschwitz survivor.
 
Here are photos of the world's top runway model -
 
http://supermodelimage.blogspot.com/2011/05/daria-werbowy.html
 
Slender, but not emaciated.
 

I can also tell from the first woman's legs that she would be lucky to fit into size 12 jeans, except the 'stretch' type that might accomodate a size 16.  But she would have trouble moving!!  Not saying she would not attractive to many men, nor that she doesn't have a curvey body.

I agree that the model you posted is slender.

The second picture Aloe posted is thin, not emaciated.

[Aloe]

You are way wrong.  The first woman could not get into size 12 jeans, maybe not even size 14.

The second is not emaciated.

I am not at all affected by the fashion industry.  But I know that those who are overweight tend to be greatly influenced when they discuss what is emaciated, etc.

I am also well aware that the preference men have for slender women is a 'hot button' for most women.

Generally, in mixed group discussions, when men utter the word slender, the women immediately jump all  the way to emaciated in their responses and examples.  So no surprises here.

Are you kidding? That woman is definitely size 8 or less. Your monitor or browser settings must be distorting the picture, that is the only explanation i see for someone claiming that woman is size 12.  rofl

And he did not utter word slender, he uttered word THIN. I asked what he means by thin, because for me thin means the woman from the second picture (for me thin means severely underweight like her). I just don't get it how men would find that attractive, that's why i asked him, if by saying thin he was referring to the same state that he made appear in my mind, or are we assigning different values to the same word THIN?

[Boethius]

LOL, Aloe.    I wonder how many women's clothes ML has tried on?  I too, thought she was probably a size 8, and that's in American sizes. 

Thin to me means no excess body fat, not necessarily underweight, but it has a broad range.
 
ETA - Here are size 16 bodies -
 
http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?height=any&weight=any&pant=16&shirt=any&zphoto=Large&new=1
 
 

[ML]

We all have our own idea of what verbal non-quantifiable adjectives (such as thin) mean.

But with sizes, there is less wiggle room (no pun intended.)  Yes, there are differences in sizes between USA and Europe, and even between USA and UK.

No, I haven't tried on women's clothing, but I have been shopping with many women who range from size 4 to 10.   I know what these bodies look like.  The gal living with me now is pretty much a perfect size 6.  She can fit into size 4 stretch jeans, but I they don't look good on her.

There is no distortion on my computer screen.  Aloe's first woman is an American size 12 or larger.  A curvey (even sexy for some men) body, but still  a 12 or larger.

[Boethius]

Nope, she isn't a size 12.  I have tried on a lot more clothes than you have, and I can tell from her body and proportions.  A US size 8 is typically a European size 42, though it can be a 40 or 44. 
 
Women's clothing sizes do fluctuate a bit.  My husband was perplexed that I'd always try clothes on, only to find that a size was too large or too small.  But clothing cuts by different manufacturers fit differently, and sometimes are even sized a little differently. 

[Aloe]

We all have our own idea of what verbal non-quantifiable adjectives (such as thin) mean.

But with sizes, there is less wiggle room (no pun intended.)  Yes, there are differences in sizes between USA and Europe, and even between USA and UK.

No, I haven't tried on women's clothing, but I have been shopping with many women who range from size 4 to 10.   I know what these bodies look like.  The gal living with me now is pretty much a perfect size 6.  She can fit into size 4 stretch jeans, but I they don't look good on her.

There is no distortion on my computer screen.  Aloe's first woman is an American size 12 or larger.  A curvey (even sexy for some men) body, but still  a 12 or larger.

Boethius gave a good link, do you seriously think that that woman is in the same category as these women? http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?height=any&weight=any&pant=12&shirt=any&zphoto=Large&new=1
Or are you going to say that this website is wrong too

[Aloe]

Nope, she isn't a size 12.  I have tried on a lot more clothes than you have, and I can tell from her body and proportions.  A US size 8 is typically a European size 42, though it can be a 40 or 44. 
 
Women's clothing sizes do fluctuate a bit.  My husband was perplexed that I'd always try clothes on, only to find that a size was too large or too small.  But clothing cuts by different manufacturers fit differently, and sometimes are even sized a little differently.

are you sure that its 42? I think the most commonly used size system in europe is the french one, and i think it would convert to a lot less than 42 in french system. I am going to go look on my clothes. My clothes are mostly size 34-36, it says US size 4 or 6 accordingly, so size 8 would make 38

[Boethius]

The non North American clothes I buy are usually by Italian designers.  I think French clothing is sized smaller.

[ML]

Boethius gave a good link, do you seriously think that that woman is in the same category as these women? http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?height=any&weight=any&pant=12&shirt=any&zphoto=Large&new=1
Or are you going to say that this website is wrong too

Just to be clear, I assume you are talking about the woman in the first picture you posted.

Now, looking at this latest website you  posted . . . I see women there of a very wide range of pants sizes.  I know  the page says size 12, but they aren't all size 12 by a long shot.

And, for instance, the very first picture in upper left hand side.  Yes, that woman is definitely of a smaller jeans size than the first picture you posted.  Her stomach may be a little bigger, but women mostly don't wear jeans up that high anyway.  Her legs, hips and ass are a little smaller than the gal in your first picture.

Several of the gals on your second website have smaller jeans size than the gal in your first picture.  But also, there are several gals on your second website who could not fit into size 16 or 18 jeans.  The gal in purple dress might be even larger.   So quite a mixed bunch shown there and couldn't possibly all be the same jeans size.

[ML]

Here is a comparison chart for different countries.

Ooooopppps, it  didn't seem to post.  Here is the URL.  Maybe someone else knows how to get the chart to show up here.

http://www.jeans-and-accessories.com/jeans-sizes.html

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[Boethius]

You are absolutely wrong, ML.  And, yes, women with varying body types can wear the same jeans.  Women can even go up and down a size, depending on the cut of jeans or a manufacturer (True Religion and Calvin Klein jeans, for example, tend to fit small, DKNY and 7 for All Mankind are true to size).
 
Here is a sizes 16 professional model (so we know the sizing is accurate) -
 

 
Here's a size 12 professional model -
 

 

[ML]

You are absolutely wrong, ML.   

About what?  Let's be very specific about  what pictures, statements, etc., we are referring to rather than being overly general.  I tried to be specific in my posts by telling what pictures of Aloe's I was referencing, etc.

[Hammer2722]

I am definitely in agreement with the ladies here. The first woman is at the most a size 8. My girl wears a size 4 and looks very similar to this woman with the exception of her breasts(my girls' are smaller). There is no way that this woman is anywhere near a US size 12. My ex-wife wore size 12's and she was most definitely considered overweight!!!!!
 
The second woman looks to me very sickly.Almost skeletal is what I would call her but I guess that's was goes for some models these days!!!!

[Vinnvinny]

It may help if you add a few more gradation adjectives to the weight classification.

Obese
Sickeningly Fat
Fat
Stout
Plump
Starting to Plump up
Average
Slender
Skinny
Thin
Painfully Thin
Emaciated

Surely it should read:

American
Obese
Sickeningly Fat
Fat
Stout
Plump
Starting to Plump up
Average
Slender
Skinny
Thin
Painfully Thin
Emaciated
Quiet
Very Quite
Dead




Just kiddin y'all.

[oldernotwiser]

I am definitely in agreement with the ladies here.

I would also agree with the ladies, the girl in the first picture does have curves, but she is not a big girl.

[CanadaMan]

Sorry ML, I have to also vote with the ladies on this one. 

[SANDRO43]

Here is a comparison chart for different countries.Ooooopppps, it  didn't seem to post.  Here is the URL.  Maybe someone else knows how to get the chart to show up here.http://www.jeans-and-accessories.com/jeans-sizes.html

Right-click the image, select 'Copy Image Address' or similar from the context menu, paste and select it, click the Image icon .

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[SANDRO43]

Who would have guessed that gay men would have such an effect on what many men find attractive.

Interesting hypothesis: gay fashion designers are plotting to starve women to death, and hence push men over to their side .

[ML]

I would also agree with the ladies, the girl in the first picture does have curves, but she is not a big girl.

Exactly what are you agreeing to?  I don't recall the adjective 'big' being a part of any disagreement.