RW - Serious, or TOO Serious ...

[IAmZon]

My friend Gator made a post on another thread that touches a point that I have been thinking on to myself.  It may make for an interesting topic ....

Gator describing his very beautiful girl friend's (fiance?) daughter:  "She is very serious and is not keen about nightclub life.  She has mostly shunned men her age, and is most attracted to men in their young 30s.  So in her particular case, a 10-year age gap was ideal.  She and I had some frank discussions about this, and I felt like a father in discussing her suitors.  At first she dated several Russian men here.   She felt many were married even though they did not tell her that.    As I said before she is serious,"

Hmmm ... Exactly.

For those of you who do not know, my interest in FSU woman took a Southern detour, and I have spent half of the last 3 years living in Colombia, South America.   But, last February, I was reconnected with my former lover from the FSU (we remain close friends).   During our weekend together, I had to negotiate around her studying for the LSAT, and work schedule.  I find her very direct, and charming, and serious, and ambitious.

In the middle of the night I was woken up "Tim! Your are snoring!"  Her voice had the quality of an alarm clock and school marm, but there was no dissap proval ... just the clear objective for immediate correction.  I thought to myself "you are soooo fired."

I have dated a slew of Colombian woman, physically, very beautiful!  But, Colombian women, GENERALLY speaking lack the education and sophistication of Russian women.   That is because they are GENERALLY speaking a little less Ambitious and Serious.  Moreover, they are very very attentive to the man in their life - the man becomes their top priority.

Last month, I was with an amiga, and I asked her was she was so tired.  She said, because you snored last night, mi amor.  I said, "why didn't you wake me up?"  She responded - "Because you were sleeping."

=>  My former FSU girl friend and I have a strange, strong, and everpresent connection.   We speak frankly about us being well suited for each other.  At times, the phone calls go to - let's just do it.  "Get married and have babies."  We have known each other know for 4 years.  She lives in New York City.  But then, I get to thinking ... you know I really like sleeping straight through:)   She is SO ambitious and SO serious.   I am more relaxed (age gap difference ?)

[Misha]

In the middle of the night I was woken up "Tim! Your are snoring!"  Her voice had the quality of an alarm clock and school marm, but there was no dissap proval ... just the clear objective for immediate correction.  I thought to myself "you are soooo fired."

Last month, I was with an amiga, and I asked her was she was so tired.  She said, because you snored last night, mi amor.  I said, "why didn't you wake me up?"  She responded - "Because you were sleeping."

But then, I get to thinking ... you know I really like sleeping straight through:)   

It all depends how badly you snore  When I snore, nobody can sleep and my wife was on the brink. Then, I simply went to the doctor, confirmed that I had sleep apnea and started using a CPAP machine at night. That way, I slept well, my wife slept well and everybody was happy.


With regards to the case you are presenting, the second woman to me comes across a bit too much as a martyr. I, personally, would not want to be with someone who just suffers in silence and prefer someone who is more straightforward and can say what is wrong. 

[Muzh]

So Rivardco, what are you saying? That the most important thing in a marriage is sleeping through the night?

[Shadow]

In our family we never snore ourselves. But all the others do...

[BC]

In our family we never snore ourselves. But all the others do...

LOL.. that's what I was accused of by my wife - until I stayed up late a couple times and recorded her 'sleep noise' on my iphone.  Doesn't bother me though.

[BillyB]

I snore. When I got a lot on my mind I talk in my sleep. My ex told me she knows I never cheated on her because when I talk in my sleep it's about work, not about girls.

[GQBlues]

Is there any scientific proof, or study, about the absence of snoring when people pass out drunk, or sleep drunk?

[Misha]

Is there any scientific proof, or study, about the absence of snoring when people pass out drunk, or sleep drunk?

Alcohol relaxes the muscles, including those in the throat, which will only heightens snoring.

[GQBlues]

Alcohol relaxes the muscles, including those in the throat, which will only heighten snoring.

That would make sense. Fascinating.
 
The general consensus I seem to get, at least from our circle of RWs, is that it seems RMs don't snore. I snore and wifey wears ear plugs, LOL.
 
I used to crash with 10 of my closests buddies during our many ski/surf trips together for many years and I know for a fact all of them snore. When I wake up happiest, it has a direct correlation with my wife waking up in a bad mood. LOL.
 
Most WM I know 'snore'. Are 'we' just more relaxed in our sleep than do Russian men?

[Misha]

The general consensus I seem to get, at least from our circle of RWs, is that it seems RMs don't snore.

My wife's closest friend complains to my wife that her RM husband snores and it drives her nuts. There are however factors that will make snoring and sleep apnea worse:


1. Weight
2. Smoking
3. Alcohol and sleeping pills
4. Sleeping on your back (though I can snore pretty much in any sleeping position)
5. Late meals
6. Age (the older you get the worse it becomes)
7. An individuals airway and passages: some physiologically are more prone to snoring than others...

[GQBlues]

Okay...so I will put another wrench into this, aligned with Rivardco's topic, and there's no exaggeration in any of it...
 
Including my wife, the only women who ever remarked/complained/discussed about my snoring are women from eastern Europe - which includes 2 east-German women (early 90s). Slovakian/Czech/Hungarians/Bulgarians. I have never once heard any of this from any AWs, latinas, Asian, or even WEs. As gawd is my witness, I'm telling you the truth.

[Misha]

Okay...so I will put another wrench into this, aligned with Rivardco's topic, and there's no exaggeration in any of it...
 
Including my wife, the only women who ever remarked/complained/discussed about my snoring are women from eastern Europe - which includes 2 east-German women (early 90s). Slovakian/Czech/Hungarians/Bulgarians. I have never once heard any of this from any AWs, latinas, Asian, or even WEs. As gawd is my witness, I'm telling you the truth.

I can't comment. EVERYBODY within earshot will complain about my snoring   

[BC]

Okay...so I will put another wrench into this, aligned with Rivardco's topic, and there's no exaggeration in any of it...
 
Including my wife, the only women who ever remarked/complained/discussed about my snoring are women from eastern Europe - which includes 2 east-German women (early 90s). Slovakian/Czech/Hungarians/Bulgarians. I have never once heard any of this from any AWs, latinas, Asian, or even WEs. As gawd is my witness, I'm telling you the truth.

On the other hand, only my AW complained about passing gas in bed.. Maybe it has to do with the European comforters that maybe absorb better than a common sheet and blanket?

Always look at the bright side of things... LOL

[GQBlues]

Yeah, the subject of snoring (mine) was one of the struggles my wife and I had in the beginning....and if Misha is correct in that 'age' will undoutedly heighten the degree, I better start watching those late night infomercials and invest for those stop snoring aid contraptions.
 
Lately *I* have been waking myself up because of *my* snoring...  

[Misha]

Yeah, the subject of snoring (mine) was one of the struggles my wife and I had in the beginning....and if Misha is correct in that 'age' will undoutedly heighten the degree, I better start watching those late night infomercials and invest for those stop snoring aid contraptions.
 
Lately *I* have been waking myself up because of *my* snoring...

What you have to watch out for are the signs of apnea: episodes whereby you stop breathing as you sleep. Generally, the person who is sleeping with you should notice. When this happens, blood oxygen levels go way down until your body forces you to wake up slightly (though you don't gain consciousness) so you can start breathing. When you have hundreds of these episodes per night, neither you nor anybody next to you can sleep and all those home and over the counter remedies will do absolutely nothing for you.

[GQBlues]

Understood Misha. I know I was trying to humor the subject but there's a seriousness into all of these. I once watched a NGC show about sleep Apnea and I concur with your explanation above. Additionally, sleeping aid are considered ill-advised since it prevents you from 'waking yourself up' from those moments when you deprive yourself of oxygen.
 
What I didn't get from the show is how can I get diagnosed if in fact I have sleep Apnea?

[Hammer2722]

I believe doctors will do a sleep study on a patient to diagnose any types of sleeping disorders. This basically entails the patient sleeping under conditions controlled by a doctor or clinic.

[Misha]

What I didn't get from the show is how can I get diagnosed if in fact I have sleep Apnea?

I was diagnosed with a small monitor that clipped on to my finger while sleeping at home. It recorded heart rate and oxygen blood levels (based on a light recording the color of the blood and extrapolating oxygen levels if I understood the technology correctly). My family doctor then got a print out showing where my blood levels were dropping and he counted over 300 such episodes and then sent me off with a prescription for my CPAP. Now, I would not go one night without it.

[BC]

My family doctor then got a print out showing where my blood levels were dropping and he counted over 300 such episodes and then sent me off with a prescription for my CPAP. Now, I would not go one night without it.

I've heard those devices can be uncomfortable.. what type did you get?

[GQBlues]

Good to know. I really should speak with my DR about getting myself monitored albeit the hook-up will have to be done on my left hand. I seem to always find my right hand in the same place every morning and Doc may get skewed and shocking readings on the printouts   
 
Or, I could opt to what Hammer said and get my very first, likely uncelebrated, 'probe' work done at the same time. 2 birds, 1 stone affair type of thing...

[Misha]

I've heard those devices can be uncomfortable.. what type did you get?

This is the one I have: http://remstarpromseries.respironics.com/


The mask must be properly adjusted to avoid air leaking out and not too tight. However, it took very little time for me to get used to mine. When you finally get a good night's sleep after years of sleep apnea, the advantages outweigh any inconveniences. I no longer wake up in a quasi-zombi state with a sore throat, headache as I used to and I don't fall asleep all the time as I used to without it.

[BC]

This is the one I have: http://remstarpromseries.respironics.com/

Isn't a mask uncomfortable or noise from a little compressor irritating? - or is it that you just adapt after a while..

[ML]

Isn't a mask uncomfortable or noise from a little compressor irritating? - or is it that you just adapt after a while..

It varies from person to person.  Sensitive or maybe call it finiky persons (such as I) could never sleep with such a contraption on my face.  Others have little problem with such devices.

As a starter, as youself how much ANY noise or disturbance keeps you awake or wakens you from a sleep.  Do you have to have all the sheets, blankets and pillows arranged just so . . . to go to sleep; or can you just plot into anything that resembles a bed (or not even resemble) and fall fast asleep.

[Misha]

Isn't a mask uncomfortable or noise from a little compressor irritating? - or is it that you just adapt after a while..

The noise is minimal. For my wife, it is merely white noise and compared to my snoring it is absolute silence.


As for the mask, I don't notice it except if it is too loose: then you have an air leak that sometimes creates a whistling sound. Likewise, if it is too tight, I feel it in the morning. However, it you are used to sleeping with it, not having it is a much greater pain: my own snoring would sometimes wake me, I would wake up drenched in sweat as my heart would be working overtime to circulate low oxygen blood, etc.... In other words, if you are truly suffering from sleep apnea, it is really easy to get used to the mask.

[IAmZon]

TIME OUT!!!!!

Serious and Ambitious / Too Serisou and Ambitious  VERSUS   maybe not ambitious enough / caring to the point of indulgent.    That is the point of this thread with regard to RUSSIAN / FSU WOMEN.

(Sorry, to me the weekend referrenced in my original post somehow encapsulated characteristics - the snoring was an example not the theme

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