RW - Serious, or TOO Serious ...

[ECOCKS]

TIME OUT!!!!!

Serious and Ambitious / Too Serisou and Ambitious  VERSUS   maybe not ambitious enough / caring to the point of indulgent.    That is the point of this thread with regard to RUSSIAN / FSU WOMEN.

(Sorry, to me the weekend referrenced in my original post somehow encapsulated characteristics - the snoring was an example not the theme

Please continue ...

LOL.

I think the culture/environment has made them more "serious" than we are used to seeing in the average woman.

To me, that "seriousness" is one way to spot the difference between real girls and not so real ones. If she is really into the relationship she will display a certain focus on the practical side of her future life which may take some guys aback.

If they continually blow off the reality of considering what life will be like then, while she may not be a scammer per se, I view her as more possibly just a GTG lacking the staying power for the long haul.

[Misha]

TIME OUT!!!!!

Serious and Ambitious / Too Serisou and Ambitious  VERSUS   maybe not ambitious enough / caring to the point of indulgent.    That is the point of this thread with regard to RUSSIAN / FSU WOMEN.

(Sorry, to me the weekend referrenced in my original post somehow encapsulated characteristics - the snoring was an example not the theme

Please continue ...

Let me see if I understand this correctly: RW are serious or too serious because they are not willing to be martyrs suffering for the men they date and/or marry? The woman should be ready to sacrifice and bear the cross of marriage or relationship to put the needs of her man first and foremost without ever complaining? Is this correct?


Personally, I don't want my wife to suffer. If my snoring bothers her and makes her life miserable as she can't sleep, I will do everything I can to resolve the problem and make her life and our lives better. Nothing to do with being too serious, just knowing what you need and not being afraid to vocalize it.

[clancyhound]

Ecocks  +10

[GoodOlBoy]

In the middle of the night I was woken up "Tim! Your are snoring!"  Her voice had the quality of an alarm clock and school marm, but there was no dissap proval ... just the clear objective for immediate correction. I thought to myself "you are soooo fired."

Snoring is not "sexy" or "cute".
Don't be a selfish jacka##.
You have a problem....go get it fixed.
 
GOB
 
BTW...Buying her earplugs for Christmas isn't funny or a solution either.
 
 

[Maxx2]

Get her a bottle of vodka and a Pepsi chaser to drink for when you're snoring.

[Muzh]

It seems that Misha was the only one who caught on my question.
 
Thx Misha.

[IAmZon]

Quote = "Let me see if I understand this correctly: RW are serious or too serious because they are not willing to be martyrs suffering for the men they date and/or marry? The woman should be ready to sacrifice and bear the cross of marriage or relationship to put the needs of her man first and foremost without ever complaining? Is this correct?"

NO!  It is not correct.  I should have never brought up snoring as a characteristic - clearly it blurred the topic.  For some reason, it made sense to me at this time:)

ANYWAY ...  on the original post, I tried (unsuccessfully) to illustrate the time I spent with my former girlfriend from  Romania.  We had three days together.  I am very fond of her, and enjoyed our time together.   But, I did notice that the pace of life and priorities drew limits.  She was studying, and had to leave early for her job, for example.   AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY EVIDENCE that exists to create the question - Are Russian / FSU woman serious and ambitious OR Too Serious and Ambitious.

In all fairness, I dated a Latina, a psychologist in Medellin, and the same thing applied ... her schedule was not her own, and our time together had to fit into slots (until it was time for me to return to the USA, and then, and only then, was she able to make sufficient time for a real relationship to be created.   By then, it was too late, I met Lizeth - such is life)

But Seriousness and Ambition seems to be a hallmark of the FSU temperament.  And, as is the case with all things, this brings good and bad.

[Muzh]

Well, that clears everything.
 
There are guys who like independent women and there are those who like dependent women. Such is life and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Misha]

But Seriousness and Ambition seems to be a hallmark of the FSU temperament.  And, as is the case with all things, this brings good and bad.

It all depends who you date. Sure, if you date women who had goals and ambition, they won't change simply because they met a foreigner. I, for one, do not see this as a problem.

[GoodOlBoy]

I dated a Latina, a psychologist in Medellin, and the same thing applied ... her schedule was not her own, and our time together had to fit into slots (until it was time for me to return to the USA, and then, and only then, was she able to make sufficient time for a real relationship to be created.   By then, it was too late,......

Define "real relationship" ?
Are we talking about something on your terms only?
 
GOB

[IAmZon]

Goodolboy ... "Are we talking about something on your terms only?"

Nope.  I am not a task master, or overly demanding.   Despite a rather newly developed outterskin, I have a tendency to be a puss with women - just like most AM

There is an interesting point here regarding to what degree a woman priortizes, perhaps even values a man.  We might be getting into views of traditional versus modern?  I will say that I have grown to appreciate the former, traditional view.   I can easily sacrafice conversations that cover (or, in my case educates hahaha ) on opera, classical music, etc...    for a woman that prioritizes and applies effort and attention into the small things. 

[ECOCKS]

Don't know about Rivardco, but I regard "real" as the traditional, long-term, intimate partnership between two people in love.

That's as opposed to one or the other (maybe both, who knows?) being in a short-term, physically-driven or otherwise motivated (green card, trophy spouse, financial gain, etc.) situation.

Of course, if the two of you are in a co-dependent relationship, complete with open-aired rationalization, shopping sprees, boyfriend /girlfriend on the side, whatever, then that's great too. You both deserve what you get. We seem to have those here with only the occasional, belated realization that one or the other was deluded into believing the relationship was "real".

[BillyB]

Serious and Ambitious / Too Serisou and Ambitious  VERSUS   maybe not ambitious enough / caring to the point of indulgent.    That is the point of this thread with regard to RUSSIAN / FSU WOMEN.

I seen different types of RW. Some carefree living for today. Some serious and investing in the future. Some somewhat in the middle. I could live with a woman who is ambitious or wants to be a full time house wife as long as she does what she wants to do well and plans for the future.

[Misha]

There is an interesting point here regarding to what degree a woman priortizes, perhaps even values a man.  We might be getting into views of traditional versus modern?

I see nothing to do here with traditional. Should a woman value a man, her husband? Yes. Should she assign no value to herself, because she has a man? No. You can both value another person while valuing your needs. With your example, you were saying that a woman should go without sleep before waking him up to tell him that he is snoring presumably loud enough to wake her. What you were implying is that under no circumstance should she inconvenience him, no matter how much she is suffering. There is no need to couch it in terms of traditional versus modern.