Canadian crime, protection, police,

[ECOCKS]

Wow, i actually agree with the above passage. Never thought i'd agree with Billy on anything, but here it is If your woman is getting assaulted, verbally or physically, you need to step up and be a man and defend her.
I actually once was talking to a guy and this specific conversation happened. He told me he is a very peaceful guy and could NEVER hurt anyone. So i asked, what if you need to protect your woman, and if you don't hit someone, she will get hurt. He said he still wouldn't hit anyone. I lost all respect for that guy immediately and wrote him off.
So I definitely agree, if you are this way too, make sure your woman is aware of it before you two enter a relationship.

I just cannot possibly imagine, being hurt in front of my partner, and him standing there not doing anything to protect me. How can i respect someone like this? I just can't respect someone who will not move to defend me, out of self preservation instict or any other reason, you just need to protect your woman and/or children, that's it.


While i am talking about this, i am imagining a situation involving fists or verbal abuse only.
If knives or other weapons are involved, then it's different i suppose. If i got stabbed, i wouldn't want my hubby doing anything, no point in us both getting stabbed.

There are always those who tell you it is somehow morally superior to be a victim than a responsible human being.

Tell that to the rape victim who now has an unwanted child or has been infected with HIV/AIDS.

Tell it to the employee whose company restricts his right to defend himself yet is shot and killed to prevent their being a witness.

Tell it to the guy carjacked and beaten so badly before being pushed out of his moving car that his kidneys are permanently damaged.

Tell it to the man who lost his wife and both daughters to repeated sexual assault and then burned alive, tied to their beds upstairs where they had been raped and beaten. Does anyone think he goes to parties with his neighbors and talks about how glad he is that he didn't have to try and defend them?

Always there will be those who are not responsible for their actions, choosing instead to lay it off as government's job or smugly telling everyone that ration and reason are the tools of the intelligent man. Spend some time with victims and see how they feel on the issue.

Be responsible for yourself and loved ones or have the strength of your convictions and keep it to yourself rather than inflict it upon others.

[GQBlues]

My point is that for each of those examples there will be kids that were abused and neglected and turned out to be good people.
 
I don't think that BC nor Ade were talking in absolutes. As with every other social science, the learning is for the public in general.

And my point had always been going to extremes isn't the answer either. I've expressed some sort of baseline as without it, how else can some of these kids understand where the proverbial lines lie? You can describe these in the most sensible way you can muster, IMO, it ain't quie the same thing to me...
 
In any event, the original topic of this thread is the preference of FSUW w/ (young) children. For those who'd like to embark on such unions...do some serious deliberations to make sure this is really something you are prepared to do.

[Misha]

Always there will be those who are not responsible for their actions, choosing instead to lay it off as government's job or smugly telling everyone that ration and reason are the tools of the intelligent man. Spend some time with victims and see how they feel on the issue.

Very emotional post, but largely irrelevant in spite of their emotional appeal. In all the cases, the best option would have been to call the police and at the same time they would have brought the necessary medical care that the victims would have needed.


The fact of the matter is that most victims of crime are young men fuelled by the same testosterone chest-thumping that we see being expressed in this thread. The usual scenario, young man, pumped up wants to prove how he is the "man" and ends up being beat up, knifed, shot, etc....

[GQBlues]

....In all the cases, the best option would have been to call the police and at the same time they would have brought the necessary medical care that the victims would have needed....

 
Nah. Not these days. These days, I would call Phoenix Jones. He gets the job done...and he's from Seattle, Washington you know....it was too bad they unmasked the hero revealing someone darker than BillyB.
 
 
I was so sure whom I thought Phoenix Jones was, too....
 
 

[ECOCKS]

Very emotional post, but largely irrelevant in spite of their emotional appeal. In all the cases, the best option would have been to call the police and at the same time they would have brought the necessary medical care that the victims would have needed.


The fact of the matter is that most victims of crime are young men fuelled by the same testosterone chest-thumping that we see being expressed in this thread. The usual scenario, young man, pumped up wants to prove how he is the "man" and ends up being beat up, knifed, shot, etc....

So you think the guy DOES go to cocktail parties and tell people how glad he is that he was unable to protect his wife and two daughters? Perhaps the shooting victims in yesterday's California salon shooting are laying in their graves while their families offer up their prayers that no one was present with a firearm or willingness to step in until the guy decided to leave. If only carrying loaded guns was illegal in California! Oh wait, it is.

Yeah, those folks are probably going about their business right now, content that the evil miscreant surrendered peacefully AFTER all those people died.

Then there are the hundreds of people each day who carry their firearms and prevent robberies and injuries.

There is always someone scared of their own shadow who cannot stand facts, reality or the knowledge that others are willing to be responsible for their own safety. Kudos to those who understand the world, make their own decisions and live with the consequences of their actions. Thanks to those who walk their own path and avoid trying to impede those who are confident to walk the more traditional road.

Those are real-world events that the liberal mind merely regards as unfortunate, collateral damage. They hide in their holes and spout their swarmy little messages about eggs and omelettes.

[Misha]

So you think the guy DOES go to cocktail parties and tell people how glad he is that he was unable to protect his wife and two daughters? Perhaps the shooting victims in yesterday's California salon shooting are laying in their graves while their families offer up their prayers that no one was present with a firearm or willingness to step in until the guy decided to leave. If only carrying loaded guns was illegal in California! Oh wait, it is.

The thing is, in Canada shooting deaths are quite a rare occurrence. When it happens, it usually involve gang violence with one member of a gang being killed by a rival gang member. Again, I live in a country where the police can be counted upon to do their jobs with relative efficiency.

Then there are the hundreds of people each day who carry their firearms and prevent robberies and injuries.

Again, I wanted to prevent a robbery so I bought an alarm. The alarm goes off and they send a police cruiser. I prefer that to playing cowboy with guns.

There is always someone scared of their own shadow who cannot stand facts, reality or the knowledge that others are willing to be responsible for their own safety. Kudos to those who understand the world, make their own decisions and live with the consequences of their actions. Thanks to those who walk their own path and avoid trying to impede those who are confident to walk the more traditional road.

Some of us pay taxes and believe that the role of government is to provide policing. Overall, I consider that the police in Canada does a good job.

Those are real-world events that the liberal mind merely regards as unfortunate, collateral damage. They hide in their holes and spout their swarmy little messages about eggs and omelettes.

Sorry Ed, I haven't the foggiest what you are spouting off here about eggs and omelettes 

[Boethius]

The police would not come out on an alarm call in my city.  They won't come if there is a theft.  They would respond very quickly in life threatening situations.
 
My father was driving up the driveway of his parents' homestead one weekend, in the winter.  He saw someone poke their head out a window.  He called the RCMP, some 35 miles away.  An hour later, they appeared, with dogs, but would not enter the home in case the thief had a gun.  The thief, seeing the police, ran through a backfield with my grandparents' personal papers, my grandfather's war medals, etc.  The guy got away and it was "Oh well."  The RCMP didn't release the dogs.  How far could the guy have gotten in 3 feet of snow?  My father was frustrated.  After that, he always took his shotgun when he drove out there, as protection.
 
Rural central Alberta has had huge problems with theft, and the RCMP do not have time to investigate.  A few years ago, they wouldn't even come out on a call for a theft in progress.  A frustrated farmer took matters into his own hands.  The result -
 
http://www.lacombeglobe.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3327166
 
For those that don't read the link, the farmer got more time than either of the thieves.  However, because he is serving his time on weekends, he will get 3 days' credit for serving from Friday pm to Sunday am.
 
I don't know if the RCMP respond to theft calls in Central Alberta currently.

[Misha]

The police would not come out on an alarm call in my city. 

We had a false alarm a while back, the police came out 

Last year, I heard a fight in back of our townhouse: a woman and a man were going at it and I concluded that the had attacked her. Called the police, and they were there in minutes to sort things out.

So, I can say that I am fortunate to live in a city where the police do their job.
 

[Boethius]

Or in a city without an exploding population/significant gang problems.  I don't think it is the police not doing their job (though I think the police did not perform their job in my father's case).  I think that "bigger" crimes take precedence.
 
Canada is not homogeneous.

[Misha]

Doesn't matter. I still see no need for cheap heroics. My mother, sister and many friends live in Edmonton. Nobody is being shot in the streets in their neighbourhoods either. But, I know better than to start with you, so go ahead have the last word in your next post   

[Boethius]

I never posted anything suggesting heroics, just that things are not as rosy as you state.

Edmonton has recorded 40 homicides this year.  The highest in the country.  Not all of them have been drug related.  A couple have just been random violence directed at shop owners or innocent bystanders.  One was a break in and rape of an 84 year old woman.  There are areas of Edmonton that are not safe to walk at night, the popular Whyte Avenue being one of them, and areas of the downtown core, because of robberies.  Recently, there was a series of sexual assaults during the day (randomly grabbing women as they walked by) downtown and on Whyte Avenue.

In Calgary, the East Village area, the LRT in the beltline, and 10 Avenue SW are areas to avoid at night.

[GoodOlBoy]

Sorry for the  OP.
I am just curious, how easy is it to get a handgun or rifle in Canada?
 
GOB

[Boethius]

You can't buy a handgun in Canada, and ownership of them is restricted.  It is quite easy to buy a shotgun or a rifle, although they have to be registered (for about 10 years now, compliance is low in rural Alberta), and when you buy a gun now, you have to take a course on gun safety, which is not a bad idea.


The difference, GOB, is that criminals now have handguns.  That was not the case until the early 1990's, and it is really bad now. 

[GQBlues]

So you think the guy DOES go to cocktail parties and tell people how glad he is that he was unable to protect his wife and two daughters? Perhaps the shooting victims in yesterday's California salon shooting are laying in their graves while their families offer up their prayers that no one was present with a firearm or willingness to step in until the guy decided to leave. If only carrying loaded guns was illegal in California! Oh wait, it is.
.....

Speaking of California eggs and omelettes (LOL)...you think the shooting on Seal beach was bad, did you hear about that fiendish hotdog-tossing, weiner-wielding liberal on the loose in San Martin last weekend? Now that puppy sent chills up and down my spine. How can these people do this?
 
Just because they never got spanking doesn't mean they have the right to just toss their hotdogs anywhere they want to, you know...
 
Anyway.....
 
This conversation reminded me of a story one of my friends told me happened to him and his ex...he said they were cming out of the movies late one night and were walking to their car when a car drove alongside them full of gangbangers. He immediately switched side to place himself between his GF and the car.....
 
Then the window rolled down and a voice was heard saying, "Hey cutie..want to get those pretty stockings dirty?" (laughter). The GF looked at him and he motioned to look away. They kept walking and for a while the car drove ever so slowly to keep pace...then abruptly drove away...
 
The next day, she breaks up with him saying how such a jello he was and she can never ever feel safe with him...so he asked what *I* would have done. ( I didn't really have to tell him how I have such uncanny ability and abundance of skills with cat-like reflexes and that every part of my anatomy is licensed as a deadly weapon of 'mass distraction' - he's already aware of it. It's obvious just by looking at me). So I told him the truth....
 
Escalating a rather 'benign' situation (thus far) to a far worst situation simply because of someone's stupidity is hardly heroic. She should've recognized the fact 'nothing' happened other than experiencing a scary moment and likely bruised ego, that doing nothing at the time was the right thing to do. Unless she preferred he immediately turned towards the car and invited then to come out of it, and maybe, both be hospitalized by morning - he beaten, she raped and beaten.
 
But, like always, I can tell it bothered him 'more' that his 'ex' thought of him as a coward, than to embrace sometimes, under terrible times, it takes a lot more to see things rationally than react instinctively.

[Misha]

Escalating a rather 'benign' situation (thus far) to a far worst situation simply because of someone's stupidity is hardly heroic. She should've recognized the fact 'nothing' happened other than experiencing a scary moment and likely bruised ego, that doing nothing at the time was the right thing to do. Unless she preferred he immediately turned towards the car and invited then to come out of it, and maybe, both be hospitalized by morning - he beaten, she raped and beaten.

My sentiments exactly. He was certainly IMHO better off without her.

[ECOCKS]

LOL, GQ.

Some will never get it.

Cali provides so many wonderful examples of the realities of life in the left lane. That's from the societal perspective, it only gets better when you look at finances but we won't need that for this discussion.

In Canada, I know the Vancouver PD have had difficulty with gun violence for the last decade. The stuff I read primarily laid it at the feet of the influx of ethnic minorities prior to the handover of Hong Kong. Their inability to build a national gun registry due to technical reasons didn't even get to the point of how they would gain compliance from all the provinces.

Back to the poor guy and the gal, let's face the fact that he is better off without some one like her. Failure to be aware of your limitations, right up with blustering that the police will fix that mean old bad man are excellent ways to prove how foolish an individual really is when confronted with life in the real world.

The sad part is all those mental children who will find themselves spouting off about cowboys and machismo when, in reality, it's their own weakness, immaturity, ignorance and lack of skills, coupled with their hoplophobia, talking.

To those who are honestly, truthfully pacifistic and make it clear they are driven by their personal beliefs, you have my respect.

[Misha]

The sad part is all those mental children who will find themselves spouting off about cowboys and machismo when, in reality, it's their own weakness, immaturity, ignorance and lack of skills, coupled with their hoplophobia, talking.

Oh brother!

[ECOCKS]

Thank goodness there are some people in Canada who don't live their life with their head up their ass believing that calling the police is the only way to deal with crime.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/07/28/man-tackled-after-alleged-sex-assault

Then again, there's probably some sleazy scum who would suggest this boy and his parents wish the driver had simply gone back inside to call the police and wait.

Even the Edmonton police are praising the citizen's intervention.

The people in Edmonton seem pretty happy that some of their citizens have the courage to deal with life rather than run for a safe place to call the police.

[Misha]

Thank goodness there are some people in Canada who don't live their life with their head up their ass believing that calling the police is the only way to deal with crime.

I wager there are some parents in Surrey who wish their son had called the police: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/10/09/bc-good-samaritan-bus-stabbing.html

[TheTraveler]

When seconds count... the police are only minutes away!

[ECOCKS]

When seconds count... the police are only minutes away!

True, whether in Canada, the US or the FSU.

Some people have an "I'm a victim" mentality while others take responsibility for their lives.

Despite all their whimpering and plaintive theorizing the facts are that very few individuals are able to produce more than a couple of isolated incidents of gun owners being shot by their own weapons during a criminal activity. Overwhelmingly, the numbers show that armed citizens stop crime far, far more than escalating it.

Still, many feeble-minded people, blinded by their personal fears and deep-down understanding of their own lack of skill, attempt to spin a tale of panicked citizens losing control of their weapon or injuring bystanders in a hail of gunfire.

 

[Misha]

Still, many feeble-minded people, blinded by their personal fears and deep-down understanding of their own lack of skill, attempt to spin a tale of panicked citizens losing control of their weapon or injuring bystanders in a hail of gunfire.

So, Ed, I am the one who is feeble-minded? If you want to insult me, just come out and say it 


 

[acrzybear]

Sorry for the  OP.
I am just curious, how easy is it to get a handgun or rifle in Canada?
 
GOB

GOB
 
I was talking to a Canadian cop about a year ago and he was surprised when he saw my sidearm underneath my shirt (I was off duty). I didn't think it was a big deal as I routinely carried off duty in the states, he explained to to me that in order for a Canadian Officer to carry off duty they had to get a special permit from the Chief.   

[GoodOlBoy]

I didn't think it was a big deal....

I hear you ACB.
Probably just about every police officer in Miami "carries" on-duty, off-duty and even while they are sleeping!
 
GOB

[Faux Pas]

Boethuis,


So then the correct call your father should have would have been "come quick, a thief has been shot and needs attention". In the Southern States US that would have likely have been the call and true